Chainer
Bluelighter
There was a reason for that. We don't do ID threads here. Consider this your last warning on it.
Read the first post in this thread to find out.
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[MEGA]Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion- 2nd Toke
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There was a reason for that. We don't do ID threads here. Consider this your last warning on it.
Read the first post in this thread to find out.
Mugz
Bluelighter
BDD to CD
Sorry CD mods if I am wrong, maybe better for DC
Sorry CD mods if I am wrong, maybe better for DC
papa
Bluelight Crew
merged with [mega] anxiety/paranoia thread..
Treefa
Bluelighter
You shoulda never turned your back on the real thing and settled for that man made bullshit. I put my trust in God with my lungs..im no more anxious high than sober, in fact it calms me. I dont remember if i ever smoked any of that spice shit but if i did i sure as HELL did not buy it hahahah you got suckeered by being gullible...
Get some opiates, bout 200mg codeine or equiv. of hydro what have you its all the morphine to the body and the best combo with weed EVER. Wont have a care in the world..
ps. The original is always best, thats why i stick with what god give us, weed and opiate alkaloids thank you jesus!
But to answer your question, TAKE THE BAR, all of it!!
Get some opiates, bout 200mg codeine or equiv. of hydro what have you its all the morphine to the body and the best combo with weed EVER. Wont have a care in the world..
ps. The original is always best, thats why i stick with what god give us, weed and opiate alkaloids thank you jesus!
But to answer your question, TAKE THE BAR, all of it!!
Chainer
Bluelighter
if you have no tolerance, you don't need to take an entire bar. 2mg of xanax and bud would fuck you up with no tolerance.
I'm not a fan of synthetic cannabinoids but I've smoked quite a few different kinds when I couldn't smoke weed or it wasn't available.
Last time I smoked it was last december just before the national law regarding them went into effect and the blends got changed...
This last time I smoked synthetic weed it was Spike Max and and it was some of the weirdest shit I ever smoked. Every other time I smoked spice,k2,etc before it always just gave me a feeling like a really mild weed high. After about 2 bong rips of this spike max I felt REALLY REALLY stoned and had to sit down on the couch. Pretty soon after that shit started to get weird. I started to feel like I was on shrooms, not tripping or having visuals but I just had that state of altered perception, and I remember it being really troubling at the time. After about 45 minutes I started to feel like I had took a bunch of muscle relaxers and just kind of melted into the couch and passed out. I woke up an hour later feeling fine and thinking "what the fuck was in that"..
A little while after another friend smoked about the same amount and got so fucked up he couldn't even move or articulate himself at all (Had to sit down on the couch almost instantly and was just gone for atleast half an hour)
Did anyone else experience shit like this with the old spike max? (I don't even know if they still sell it)
Last time I smoked it was last december just before the national law regarding them went into effect and the blends got changed...
This last time I smoked synthetic weed it was Spike Max and and it was some of the weirdest shit I ever smoked. Every other time I smoked spice,k2,etc before it always just gave me a feeling like a really mild weed high. After about 2 bong rips of this spike max I felt REALLY REALLY stoned and had to sit down on the couch. Pretty soon after that shit started to get weird. I started to feel like I was on shrooms, not tripping or having visuals but I just had that state of altered perception, and I remember it being really troubling at the time. After about 45 minutes I started to feel like I had took a bunch of muscle relaxers and just kind of melted into the couch and passed out. I woke up an hour later feeling fine and thinking "what the fuck was in that"..
A little while after another friend smoked about the same amount and got so fucked up he couldn't even move or articulate himself at all (Had to sit down on the couch almost instantly and was just gone for atleast half an hour)
Did anyone else experience shit like this with the old spike max? (I don't even know if they still sell it)
Fire&Water
Pumpkin King
Alright...I'm an old fart !!
but I've been around long enough to tell you that the scam artist's that are selling you this shit are laughing their ass off at you as though your a lab rat, actually I take that back - their going to sell it to you for as long as they can for as much $ as they can, and they dont give a frogs fat ass what happens to your health. That gives me an idea, you would be better off finding & licking the frogs that have hallucinogenic properties in their skin...
but I've been around long enough to tell you that the scam artist's that are selling you this shit are laughing their ass off at you as though your a lab rat, actually I take that back - their going to sell it to you for as long as they can for as much $ as they can, and they dont give a frogs fat ass what happens to your health. That gives me an idea, you would be better off finding & licking the frogs that have hallucinogenic properties in their skin...
Fire&Water
Pumpkin King
It's all about the setting...where yer' at, who your with, enviroment whether indoors or outdoors... I kind of remember a (sort-of) paranoia feeling when I first started getting/sharing Indica's -I remember for sure when I started enjoying it for the intense high (Indica's & Sativa's) Out in the middle of nowhere with a compass, but no watch -hiking & smoking for miles - daytime, nightime, didnt matter I never had that feeling again. Now I can smoke in any surrounding without having to (think ahead) about whether I'm gonna' get anxious/paranoid
Man...I dont know........I really think, if you think you need a benzo to suckle from Mother Earth's teat, stick to Sativa's or just F'ing quit...
Man...I dont know........I really think, if you think you need a benzo to suckle from Mother Earth's teat, stick to Sativa's or just F'ing quit...
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Mongrel
Greenlighter
I'm supposed to pick up some JWH-122 next week, & what originally sparked my interest in Synthetic Cannabinoids was how the high contrasted to the effects of cannabis it's self (Kind of like how LSD & Psilocybin are both 5HT2a agonists but cause different trips). JWH-122 will be the first synthetic cannabinoid I've tried.
I've read a few horror stories in this thread, though it does seem most peoples' problems with these compounds has been caused by using them as a complete substitute for Cannabis(daily consumption of) .
If an individual were to use synthetic cannabinoids in correctly measured doses, on an infrequent basis, would they be that detrimental for you in the long run? Would some of the potential risks be minimized?
I've read a few horror stories in this thread, though it does seem most peoples' problems with these compounds has been caused by using them as a complete substitute for Cannabis(daily consumption of) .
If an individual were to use synthetic cannabinoids in correctly measured doses, on an infrequent basis, would they be that detrimental for you in the long run? Would some of the potential risks be minimized?
onafoggynight
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First of all, what concrete, potential risks are you refering to? The first thing to acknowledge is that any regular drug use is going to change the user in some way. Some more, some less profound.
Now, to come to your particular question: I have been using synthetic cannabinoids for roughly 2 years now -- more or less frequently, although not in large quantities.
So far I have yet to experience any negative effects, mental or physiological. I regularly work out, function well in an intellectually demanding job, and have no problems whatsoever in social situations. However, in those two years my overall outlook and attitude towards life and stuff has definitely shifted in some way -- A positive one in my opinion, but this is besides the point.
I don't believe that, overall, synthetic cannabinoids do more damage than other drugs. At least not in a qualitative way. On the other hand everybody, even experienced users, can accidentely overdose at some point. And I am getting more and more the impression that many problems surrounding synthetic cannabinoids stem from this and the misconception that that "it's just weed".
And here you are perfectly right: Synthetic cannabinoids are not a substitution for weed, they are something completely different and WILL fuck up people who are not prepared for this.
This thread isn't about Spice, granted, but I just have to ask.....what the trouser trumpets are you talking about?
Why you insulting people who enjoyed a potent drug in it's own right? You claim not to even be aware of having ever used it, yet you are laughing at those who enjoyed it. The JWH series of Cannabinomimetic compounds was very potent indeed. Many of my friends prefer it to Cannabis, as it didn't give them the same level of anxiety that Cannabis can.
Just because 'god' put plants on this earth doesn't mean they are good! In keeping with your terminology, Opiates are considered the work of "the devil" by millions. Datura is considered hellish, yet it's a natural plant "from god".
Natural ≠ Good
Take care
Now in keeping with the thread:
BROTHERS AND SISTERS, THERE IS HOPE. I used to LOVE smoking weed all day, every day in massive 2L bucket kits, until I slowly started developing crazy anxiety and paranoia, to the point where I smoked my way through it but suffered like hell each time. Eventually I had no choice but to quit.
I have found that since essentially a year long break, and becoming more confident and sure of myslelf in every other area of my life, I absolutely love smoking again. Granted, I dont smoke to the same extent as before, otherwise the anxieties and whatnot come back.
My tips:
Ensure you are happy with life in general and have no worries
Quit for a while and only smoke infrequently when you go back to it
Always smoke on a full stomach
Try deep-breathing relaxation meditation whilst smoking, and before you inhale the first bong.
Take it easy! Relax! Inhaling some smoke from a plant won't kill you there and then, so enjoy it. You chose to smoke it, and you will come down in a matter of 1-2 hours, and will still be alive and well, so enjoy it!
citizen cained
Bluelighter
weed "comedown"?
Ok so I have been smoking weed since 13 (I know i know...) I had a 3 year break starting when I was 15 as I smoked too much in one go and freaked out (horrible experience) I then regularly smoked in college about once or twice a day except weekends, this lasted until I was 19 then I stopped all together. I had no problems up until this point until I was 20 and started smoking again every now and again (about 2 times a week) now I get depressed and down the day after smoking (and sometimes a few hours after smoking) this has only happened very recently (within the last 2 weeks or so) and I think it might be the weed I'm smoking as I have had the same bag for 2 weeks but I just want opinions on this? Is this normal?
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Ok so I have been smoking weed since 13 (I know i know...) I had a 3 year break starting when I was 15 as I smoked too much in one go and freaked out (horrible experience) I then regularly smoked in college about once or twice a day except weekends, this lasted until I was 19 then I stopped all together. I had no problems up until this point until I was 20 and started smoking again every now and again (about 2 times a week) now I get depressed and down the day after smoking (and sometimes a few hours after smoking) this has only happened very recently (within the last 2 weeks or so) and I think it might be the weed I'm smoking as I have had the same bag for 2 weeks but I just want opinions on this? Is this normal?
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Well it's normal to feel a little different when your high wears off if you have low tolerance to weed, but it's more like an afterglow than a comedown. I personally enjoyed the afterglow back when my tolerance was lower.
If you never experienced a comedown after smoking weed and suddenly after buying a new bag you get one each time I suggest you try with a different strain and see if the weed is the cause.
If you never experienced a comedown after smoking weed and suddenly after buying a new bag you get one each time I suggest you try with a different strain and see if the weed is the cause.
papa
Bluelight Crew
merged with [MEGA] paranoia and anxiety thread
Will have comments on the AM-2233 tomorrow. So far, seems to be just another synthetic cannabinoid. A little weaker than AM-2201, as predicted from the binding affinity. Duration seems about the same, though - so much for my hope that the bulky substituent on the indole nitrogen would be harder for the body to remove. These synthetics would be a lot better if you didn't have to keep smoking every 10 minutes to maintain a constant level of high.
Inedit: This stuff seems to be a lot gentler than AM-2201, which is a bit of a cannabinoid kick in the face. I consider it to be one of the better indole cannabinoids that I've tried*, but still inferior to CP-55,940. And indeed, while it isn't quite as short as AM-2201, it still suffers from the short duration that plagues the indole cannabinoids.
*JWH-018/019/073/081/122/210, the weak possibly-not-AM-694, AM-2201, and AM-2233.
There is no problem with daily use of synthetics, unless the use is heavy - because synthetics have only one or more strong agonists (usually with maximal activation higher than that of THC), rather than the mix of partial agonists in weed, it is possible to react to tolerance by escalating the dose much more easily than with cannabis, which means that you can build a truly ridiculous tolerance to cannabinoids. When you get to the point where you're vaping little (or not-so-little) piles of JWH-018 (yes there are people like that) and not getting high, unexpected sideffects start to make their existence known. So, certainly be careful not to shoot your tolerance skyward with synthetics, it's very possible to do that.
Some todo was made about the napthoyl moiety being potentially carcinogenic, but basic math implies that unless napthoylindole is ridiculously carcinogenic, the amounts consumed are small in comparison to the amount of carcinogenic material inhaled from the burning herbs in the smoke mixture.
The other problem is accidental overdose. Most of us have smoked "too much" weed and felt shitty as a result - With synthetics, that can be a lot more unpleasant, and smoke blends sometimes have "hot spots" due to poor preparation technique (mainly from letting the herbs get too wet, I suspect, so that capillary action while it's drying results in the active components being carried to, and concentrated on, the herbs on the outside of the pile). You want to avoid this, because for reasons unclear, a bad OD on cannabinoids can occasionally cause recurring anxiety when smoking cannabinoids in the future (synthetic or natural). This can kill the fun of smoking weed for people (this is also a frequent effect after getting clean and working tolerance back down after one has had the above mentioned ridiculously high tolerances)
Inedit: This stuff seems to be a lot gentler than AM-2201, which is a bit of a cannabinoid kick in the face. I consider it to be one of the better indole cannabinoids that I've tried*, but still inferior to CP-55,940. And indeed, while it isn't quite as short as AM-2201, it still suffers from the short duration that plagues the indole cannabinoids.
*JWH-018/019/073/081/122/210, the weak possibly-not-AM-694, AM-2201, and AM-2233.
There is no problem with daily use of synthetics, unless the use is heavy - because synthetics have only one or more strong agonists (usually with maximal activation higher than that of THC), rather than the mix of partial agonists in weed, it is possible to react to tolerance by escalating the dose much more easily than with cannabis, which means that you can build a truly ridiculous tolerance to cannabinoids. When you get to the point where you're vaping little (or not-so-little) piles of JWH-018 (yes there are people like that) and not getting high, unexpected sideffects start to make their existence known. So, certainly be careful not to shoot your tolerance skyward with synthetics, it's very possible to do that.
Some todo was made about the napthoyl moiety being potentially carcinogenic, but basic math implies that unless napthoylindole is ridiculously carcinogenic, the amounts consumed are small in comparison to the amount of carcinogenic material inhaled from the burning herbs in the smoke mixture.
The other problem is accidental overdose. Most of us have smoked "too much" weed and felt shitty as a result - With synthetics, that can be a lot more unpleasant, and smoke blends sometimes have "hot spots" due to poor preparation technique (mainly from letting the herbs get too wet, I suspect, so that capillary action while it's drying results in the active components being carried to, and concentrated on, the herbs on the outside of the pile). You want to avoid this, because for reasons unclear, a bad OD on cannabinoids can occasionally cause recurring anxiety when smoking cannabinoids in the future (synthetic or natural). This can kill the fun of smoking weed for people (this is also a frequent effect after getting clean and working tolerance back down after one has had the above mentioned ridiculously high tolerances)
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About this time last year I went on a month and a half or so long binge on JWH-192 exclusively. getting high for the wrong reasons aside, the mental trauma I've been through since then has always made me wonder the stuff's long term impact on my health, even after a 9-month or so cessation from it.
I've done substantial reading on this thread but have not found a definitive answer. Is it absolutely necessary for synthetic cannabinoids to be dissolved in fat prior to ingesting orally (in order to experience effects)?
Also, I understand the dangers/unknowns associated with commercial 'blends,' but I'm unable (at this time) to obtain specific RCs. With that established, can blended herbs (assuming the blend has one or more active cannabinoids) be ingested orally just like the RC powder?
Also, I understand the dangers/unknowns associated with commercial 'blends,' but I'm unable (at this time) to obtain specific RCs. With that established, can blended herbs (assuming the blend has one or more active cannabinoids) be ingested orally just like the RC powder?