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[MEGA] Strain Discussion- 3rd Backcross *ALL STRAIN TALK IN HERE*

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Hey, long time posting here recently iv been smoking L.A. confidential O.G. Kush and Royal Kush (iduno if anyone has heard of that one before id like to hear if anyone has?) or how about Creamsicle? there all AAA quality
 
Most of the so called 'top shelf' strains you buy in dispensaries are amateurish hacks (even if they're grown well as sinsemilla and the product seems satisfactory in the dispensary).

I find it mildly frustrating that people will say 'I smoked some dank White Widow'. Which White Widow? From what breeder? Are they F2s? Have they been stabilized by the breeder and have had unique desirable traits locked down? You might think you don't give a shit, but these things make a huge difference.

This is not really the end users fault though. It's just they are not aware about what's really going on in the cannabis world of 'breeding' (especially some of the most successful breeders that will continue to be successful no matter what). It's really just ignorance and in some cases, naivety.

It's a bit analogous to the ecstacy scene. It used to be that a Mitsubishi pill would be awesome and everyone would be safe putting faith in the brand. Now, the whole pill industry has been raped by parasitic copy cats looking to make a quick buck. Often the chemicals are completely different to what you would expect to be in the pills, despite the stamps put on them. This is very similar to the cannabis industry at the moment!
 
Your favorite weeds

I would like to know what peoples favorite weed types are.

My favorites are White Widow for its pure strength, Amnesia Haze for it soaring sativa high, Arjans Haze for it's knokout power, and a new one called La Fruit because it tastes better then any other wed I have tried. I also think Thai Stick is still one of the best weeds ever even though it isn't around. The highest I have been was smoking Thai Stick.

Please let us know what your favorites are and why.
 
Why are people always talking about strains? One person's sour diesel is another's dutch dragon, no respectable stoner actually gives two fucks about the name behind it, they only care how it stones.

Also this belongs in strain discussion, not here.
 
Why are people always talking about strains? One person's sour diesel is another's dutch dragon, no respectable stoner actually gives two fucks about the name behind it, they only care how it stones.

Also this belongs in strain discussion, not here.


You are so ignorant it's unbelievable. I do hope this gets merged to the strain discussion and not closed so you can tell me why I'm wrong.

You are completely clueless and I suggest you actually do some research on the diversity of cannabis and how different cannabinoids in different ratios can affect the brain. It's true that any given strain can affect different people differently, but what you're inferring is that strain is unimportant and it's pretty much all the same, as long as it gets you high. Yeah, maybe that's true if you're a teenager but for someone who loves the different cannabis species and everything in between like myself that statement is like sacrilege.

It's akin to saying all food is the same, as long as it satiates you. What nonsense!
 
You are so ignorant it's unbelievable. I do hope this gets merged to the strain discussion and not closed so you can tell me why I'm wrong.

You are completely clueless and I suggest you actually do some research on the diversity of cannabis and how different cannabinoids in different ratios can affect the brain. It's true that any given strain can affect different people differently, but what you're inferring is that strain is unimportant and it's pretty much all the same, as long as it gets you high. Yeah, maybe that's true if you're a teenager but for someone who loves the different cannabis species and everything in between like myself that statement is like sacrilege.

It's akin to saying all food is the same, as long as it satiates you. What nonsense!

Chill the fuck out dude. There is no 'strain' it's what your dealer calls it to get you excited. 'Strains' change so much, that even if you took one seed of what someone calls purple kush right now and grew it and constantly took seeds from the resulting plant, you wouldn't have the same thing in 10 years.
 
Chill the fuck out dude.

^ I am chilled out. I just find ignorance like that to be quite irritating. I was calling you out, basically, not getting into a frenzied rage.

There is no 'strain' it's what your dealer calls it to get you excited.

I don't buy from dealers. I grow my own. Most people can do the same, even the disabled, bar some rare instances for some people in some places. I've even heard of one blind guy growing succesfully, so don't try and argue it's not possible. Where there's a will there's a way, even if it means going guerrilla-style, but if you choose to stick with expensive dealers because you're worried about the legal consequences of whatever, that's your personal choice! However don't complain about the quality! It's a dealer after all, not a free and open regulated market.

If you're so dissatisfied with the situation and you don't live somewhere where getting caught growing caught growing a couple of plants will give you years in prison or the death sentence, grow your own!

Strains' change so much

Yes, it's called breeding.

if you took one seed of what someone calls purple kush right now and grew it and constantly took seeds from the resulting plant, you wouldn't have the same thing in 10 years.

Since the famous Purple Kush phenotype is a clone only strain that would be impossible to get Puple Kush seeds anyway. If you do get seeds in your Purple Kush it's most likely been pollinated by another hybrid or selfed, so of course it wouldn't be the same as the original mother from which it came. Even if you could get the seeds, combining two F2s results in complete chaos and a loss of the favorable traits the breeder selected and locked down in the IBLs used to make that hybrid, due to the Hardy–Weinberg principle.

The trait for potency for example would be uniform - alleles Pp in each phenotype in hybridized seeds, so the favourable traits in the clone only Purple Kush are heterozygous. Crossing the two Purple Kush male and female plants would result in offspring comprising 25% pp, 50% Pp and 25% PP (p²+2pP+P²), instead of the uniform 100% Pp. Worse still, crossing it with some other random hybrid and as suggested this would be the most likely scenario, would result in seeds that were shit, and would certainly not be Purple Kush.

If you want to see seeds from strains that have been saved by farmers each year from each crop and by in large have stayed the same as strains, but adapted to their environment, check out the landrace strains supplied by The Real Seed company. Or buy one of the other IBLs, like afghani #1 etc. then the seed will give you all the traits selected for by the breeder.

Your statements are born out of ignorance of cannabis and cannabis breeding. I suggest reading around and learning more about the subject before making sweeping generalizations about cannabis based on anecdotal experiences with shady dealers.
 
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Sorry new post to separate it from 'The Network's' public dressing down.

Not sure if this belongs in strain discussion or the growing thread. Mods feel free to move if it's better in the other forum ;) Here is a post from the breeder behind the Real Seed Company people will find interesting.

The Real Seed Catalogue sell seed of heirloom vegetable, fruit, and herb varieties

and obviously they are different from The Real Seed Company --- their name wasn't on the Companies House list when I registered the name, should have done more research, my fault

our stock and theirs have a lot in common - all of our seeds are authentic heirloom varieties produced by the traditional method of open pollination... I recommend you read on as the info on their site is very helpful:


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We only supply Real, Open Pollinated Varieties.
Real Seed breeds true, so you can save your own seed.
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Hybrid ("F1") seed is the result of a cross between two different , but heavily inbred parents. Seed you save from these plants will either be sterile or a give a whole mix of shapes and types, usually producing a poor crop.

Only the seed company knows what the parents are, thus only they can produce that particular variety. If you want to grow it, you have no other source - good for the seed companies but not for you! Small growers should be able to keep their own seeds, selecting each year the best plants most suitable for their own land and conditions.

Yes, there are a few exceptions, but in general, the hybrid seed business has been a public relations victory over the small grower. For example, you will soon see more and more hybrid leek seed offered to you. This is because the supermarkets have set incredibly rigid limits on leek size, and the only way to achieve this is through hybridising two inbred varieties, so all leek seed production is switching to hybrids.

You will be told that these new leeks are 'more uniform', 'straighter' and so on. But what about flavour and adaptability? People seem to forget that we want to eat & enjoy these things - food is not just a commodity!

Despite common urban myths, there is no magic about hybrids. So-called "hybrid vigour" is the simple fact that good hybrid seed is better than bad real seed, and that sadly much of the real seed you get now has been badly maintained. But good real seed - which admittedly requires time, care and patience to produce and maintain - must, by virtue of the genetics of these things, be just as good, and in fact much more adaptable to different soils. The key here is that it takes less manpower to make the hybrid seed, so the wholesale seed growers are much happier to let the old varieties fade away.

And as for the cost of hybrid seed, this is another mystery. Hybrids are not made by hand. Yes, they were in the past, but not for many years now. Most hybrid pollination nowadays is done by chemical sprays, not hand pollination, so hybrid seed shouldn't be any more expensive than other seed. There may be a slight extra cost associated with the spraying, but it certainly doesn't justify the high prices and tiny packets some companies are offering.

Basically, seeds are now bred for large industrial farms (which is where the money is) and you, the home grower, just get fobbed off with a few of the same thing. Modern advert copywriting sometimes tries to disguise this. So when you're offered something that's 'good for freezing', what they mean is that it was bred to ripen all at once for machine harvesting & you'll get a glut.

Here are a few examples from 2004 catalogues that we found: How about 'really uniform fruit' - which often means 'inbred for the supermarket, narrow genetic base, may not adapt to your soil'. Or 'straight long shanks' usually means 'bred to fit the packing machine.' Or the best one yet - 'Leafless peas - easy to find the pods' translates as 'much smaller yield (the plants have no leaves !) - but at least now we've got rid of the leaves we can harvest them with a combine.' What a sad situation this is, with marketing people rather than gardeners writing the descriptions in modern seed catalogues.

In summary, hybrid seed can indeed have advantages for the industrial-chemical farmer who wants to harvest all at once. But for the small home grower who wants a good yield over a long period, traditional varieties are usually more productive. This has been shown time and time again, and we think that once you have tried the real open-pollinated varieties we have found, you will agree.

WHY YOU SHOULD SAVE YOUR OWN SEED ~


Until recently, every gardener in the world saved their own seed. And every gardener was, therefore, a plant breeder. They simply saved the seed of the plants that did best for them, and which they liked most. Although simple, this was efficient.

Each gardener was maintaining a slightly different strain of each vegetable, and this made for a huge living genebank that was very resilient against disease or climate change. If things changed so that your cabbages didn’t do well, someone down the road had a slightly different one that would cope.
This has worked very well for the past 11,000 years. That includes the Bronze Age, the building of the Pyramids, the rise and fall of all the major empires. Every year, without even thinking about it, millions of people added to the achievements of their ancestors to maintain and improve the previous years’ varieties. Because their seed was real, open-pollinated seed, every seed was a bit different, so it was widely adapted, but also adaptable - it could cope with all sorts of change.

Now, we have thrown this all away. In the past 40 years, almost all these adaptable local strains have been lost. Gardeners have forgotten how to save their own seed. They are sold hybrids, where every seed is identical, in every packet, year after year - no adaptability for different soils, or for changes in climate over time.

And because these hybrid seeds are all the same in every field in every country, people have to bludgeon the environment into some sort of ‘standard’ growing medium with fertilisers and chemicals, to grow their standardised seeds. Should the climate change, or the supply of cheap oil (to make all these chemicals) dry up, then these hybrids will do badly, and there will be no real seeds left to breed from.

Profits for the seed companies now, but disaster in the future . . . real farming is a project that has been ongoing for millennia, but now in the height of our tiny period of cheap oil, we think we know better and have turned it into just another industrial process. Peoples food should represent stored sunlight and water, but 90% of its calories come from oil these days – for the ploughing, spraying, fertiliser, transport. When the oil runs out, who will have the real seeds that can grow without it?


Seed-saving is easy. You'll get better seed, better food, and help preserve 11,000 years of work for the future!
 
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Why are people always talking about strains? One person's sour diesel is another's dutch dragon, no respectable stoner actually gives two fucks about the name behind it, they only care how it stones.

Also this belongs in strain discussion, not here.

Not everyone that smokes weed is a "stoner" some people blaze for medicinal reasons. Some people like a weed that gives them more energy, so a strong sativa like sour diesel might be good for that. But if somones using weed to go to sleep there going to want a nice indica.

Or lets say your prone to anxiety when smoking. A sativa indica mix can take the edge off, without making you wig out.

It sounds like your the one who doesn't give two fucks about the name. In that case speak for your self.
 
Reposting it here as my thread got closed:

Characterisitics of various cannabis strains

It's a chart with a lot of different weeds with a lot of info. I'd personnally pick up the Sensi Star, very strong weed with a lovely taste and smell.

There's a much more useful website that's like a search engine for strains, giving you genetic info etc. I am not going to give the URL but it's something similar to cannabis finder. A play on one of those two words and the determined can find it via Google. It's pretty cool and has most strains on there, suprisingly.

I would post the URL but I think there might be a couple of seed breeder/bank ads and don't want to step on the mods toes.
 
^ no, that's not it. what's the most common slang word for cannabis or marijuana? type that in, along with 'finder' and the word 'eu' and you'll find it. I don't know if that's too much info but we'll soon find out if my post gets edited =D It's such a useful site I don't mind taking the risk!

edit: I just typed a couple of well known strains into the site you gave and it didn't come up with any results, unlike the website I am thinking of. I don't know if that's an indication of it's comparative usefulness or not.
 
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Well i generally smoke reg because its cheap.
Sometimes i get some [no prices - Chainer] a g Dro...its pretty good, great smell+taste..
Best shit ive smoked to date was Willies Wonder...A bowl had me high as a kite for 4 hours
 
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By the way, one more thing about this site I'm on about. It's only as good because of the people growing the strains and uploading info about them. So, if you want to help others without spending any money, please please please spend a few minutes adding info about the strain you've grown out, so that people will be able to see your review when doing a search if they're considering growing it. It's the power of our community of growers that does and will make it a powerful tool.

I think the idea of having a search engine for cannabis strains is so awesome. The only thing I'm annoyed about is that I didn't find out about it sooner!! It's not just for growers too, as you get descriptions of the taste and high, so it's useful to everyone - the grower, the patient or the recreational user.

To be honest, I sometimes wish there were fewer posts here saying 'I smoked x strain and it got me really stoned, it was great'. I think more creative, descriptive posts about your subjective experience as well as possible info about the strain, such as whether it's a hybrid, pure or whatever and if it was organic etc. would be better. It would certainly make this strain discussion area a lot more interesting to read IMO.

Perhaps that's too much to ask, I don't know. Well, I'm not really asking, as it's more of a friendly suggestion, since I don't make the rules around here at the end of the day.
 
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