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[MEGA]Methods of Smoking
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can't go wrong...cheap n nasty 
To the people who were talking about smoking off of aluminum cans and tin foil: just roll a joint or make a pipe out of an apple. Both cheap alternatives to smoking harmful chemicals. I don't know if the actual aluminum degrades and you inhale those fumes, but I do know that the chemicals given off from the paint on the can melting can't be good for you.
I'm going to post some of my results from experimenting with JWH-73 here - comparing/contrasting pipe vs. lightbulb vaporizer - and I hope this isn't the wrong place for it. Please forgive me if it is and please move to where it's more appropriate.
Anyway, on my first attempt, I measured out (to the best of my ability) roughly 1mg, and dumped it in a normal filtered pipe. The flames made contact with the chemical. I felt ever so mildly high, and I couldn't even tell if it was just a placebo effect.
Next time, I measure out (to the best of my ability) roughly 3mg and smoked it the same way. I remember being as careful as I could not to suck the flame down too low so as to make contact with the bowl's filter or the chemical itself. I managed, for the most part, to keep the flame fully in view (i.e. so that no part of it was occluded by the closer rim of the bowl). This time I definitely felt something - it wasn't a placebo effect - but nothing close to being full out stoned. It was like a very mild high. I also noticed it came on slowly, much slower than weed, and I only felt it peeking around the 10 minute mark. It didn't last for more than half an hour.
Third time, I tried a lightbulb vaporizer. I measured out about 3mg, and dumped it in. I should probably point out that this was only a few minutes after washing the inside of the bulb with soap, and despite my effort to dry the inside by blowing into it, I couldn't get rid of all the moisture. A tiny puddle sat at the base and about half the JWH disolved into it while the other half stuck to the sides close to the puddle due to moisture coating the sides. I don't know if this helps or hinders the technique (maybe someone can shed some light here) but I would think, if anything, moisture will help prevent over-heating, and thus burning, the JWH. As the moistures boils away, I assume it will take JWH molecules with it and will be inhaled as I suck.
In any case, following the advice of many-an-expert, I made sure the flame was about 1 inch below the bulb and I moved it around in circular motions so as not to over-heat, and thus burn, one particular spot. I did this for a while to no avail - none of the JWH was melting (which leads me to assume no vapors were given off - I certainly didn't feel anything after sucking for several minutes). I found that the only way I could get the JWH to melt was to in fact make the flame touch to glass (just barely) and to keep it in one spot. After a few seconds, I could see the JWH melting, and so I sucked. This time I did feel something come on.
I decided to go for a walk and feel things out. I felt about as high as the one time I smoked 3mg directly through my pipe. The walk ended up being a trip to the pub for a few beers. I returned after about an hour, more or less sobered up by now (though a bit tipsy off 2 beers and 2 wines), and I decided to give it another shot.
This time I measured out between 5mg and 6mg, dumped it in my vaporizer (which seemed to be dry now), and went for it again. I kept the flame directly under the bulk of the JWH and made contact with the glass. This time, I could see a bit of smoke when I exhaled. I definitely felt it coming on rather fast. I went for another walk. The high was more intense - about twice as intense - I would say something between a mild to mediocre marijuana high.
However, I question whether the alcohol had anything to do with this? Can alcohol work as a catalyst for other drugs entering the brain? I know alcohol is often used as a solvent? Is the same principle at work when it's coursing through your veins? Maybe someone can shed some light on this.
I returned after an hour again, this time still feeling a bit of the buzz but definitely coming to its end.
That night, I tried the pipe technique again. I measured out about 3mg, and did the same as I did all the other times (trying to control the flame to the best of my ability - i.e. making sure it's always visible). This time I felt barely anything. I waited twenty minutes. I tried again. This time I measured out about 6mg and again smoked it whilst controling the flame to the best of my ability (which actually isn't that difficult). The high was definitely stronger but no where near what it was the second time using the vaporizer with the same amount of JWH. In fact, it felt no more intense than the first time I tried smoking 3mg in my pipe. This could be a tolerance effect, this being my fourth hit of the day. Or we could go with my theory about alcohol being a catalyst. Or we could say that smoking through a pipe is just plain ineffective. Whatever the reason, it seems (in my limited experience) that you can only get so high - which is hardly high at all - using the direct pipe approach (perhaps with better technique/control with the flame, this could change). It almost seems like I hit an upper limit. But with the lightbulb vaporizer, I seem to be able to go passed that limit and at least reach a mild-to-mediocre level of high.
I will keep practicing. I'm also going to try sprinkling a bit of it on some tobaco and roll it up. I heard this is a good way of vaporizing. I'll keep you posted.
any comments/advice is surely appreciated.
Anyway, on my first attempt, I measured out (to the best of my ability) roughly 1mg, and dumped it in a normal filtered pipe. The flames made contact with the chemical. I felt ever so mildly high, and I couldn't even tell if it was just a placebo effect.
Next time, I measure out (to the best of my ability) roughly 3mg and smoked it the same way. I remember being as careful as I could not to suck the flame down too low so as to make contact with the bowl's filter or the chemical itself. I managed, for the most part, to keep the flame fully in view (i.e. so that no part of it was occluded by the closer rim of the bowl). This time I definitely felt something - it wasn't a placebo effect - but nothing close to being full out stoned. It was like a very mild high. I also noticed it came on slowly, much slower than weed, and I only felt it peeking around the 10 minute mark. It didn't last for more than half an hour.
Third time, I tried a lightbulb vaporizer. I measured out about 3mg, and dumped it in. I should probably point out that this was only a few minutes after washing the inside of the bulb with soap, and despite my effort to dry the inside by blowing into it, I couldn't get rid of all the moisture. A tiny puddle sat at the base and about half the JWH disolved into it while the other half stuck to the sides close to the puddle due to moisture coating the sides. I don't know if this helps or hinders the technique (maybe someone can shed some light here) but I would think, if anything, moisture will help prevent over-heating, and thus burning, the JWH. As the moistures boils away, I assume it will take JWH molecules with it and will be inhaled as I suck.
In any case, following the advice of many-an-expert, I made sure the flame was about 1 inch below the bulb and I moved it around in circular motions so as not to over-heat, and thus burn, one particular spot. I did this for a while to no avail - none of the JWH was melting (which leads me to assume no vapors were given off - I certainly didn't feel anything after sucking for several minutes). I found that the only way I could get the JWH to melt was to in fact make the flame touch to glass (just barely) and to keep it in one spot. After a few seconds, I could see the JWH melting, and so I sucked. This time I did feel something come on.
I decided to go for a walk and feel things out. I felt about as high as the one time I smoked 3mg directly through my pipe. The walk ended up being a trip to the pub for a few beers. I returned after about an hour, more or less sobered up by now (though a bit tipsy off 2 beers and 2 wines), and I decided to give it another shot.
This time I measured out between 5mg and 6mg, dumped it in my vaporizer (which seemed to be dry now), and went for it again. I kept the flame directly under the bulk of the JWH and made contact with the glass. This time, I could see a bit of smoke when I exhaled. I definitely felt it coming on rather fast. I went for another walk. The high was more intense - about twice as intense - I would say something between a mild to mediocre marijuana high.
However, I question whether the alcohol had anything to do with this? Can alcohol work as a catalyst for other drugs entering the brain? I know alcohol is often used as a solvent? Is the same principle at work when it's coursing through your veins? Maybe someone can shed some light on this.
I returned after an hour again, this time still feeling a bit of the buzz but definitely coming to its end.
That night, I tried the pipe technique again. I measured out about 3mg, and did the same as I did all the other times (trying to control the flame to the best of my ability - i.e. making sure it's always visible). This time I felt barely anything. I waited twenty minutes. I tried again. This time I measured out about 6mg and again smoked it whilst controling the flame to the best of my ability (which actually isn't that difficult). The high was definitely stronger but no where near what it was the second time using the vaporizer with the same amount of JWH. In fact, it felt no more intense than the first time I tried smoking 3mg in my pipe. This could be a tolerance effect, this being my fourth hit of the day. Or we could go with my theory about alcohol being a catalyst. Or we could say that smoking through a pipe is just plain ineffective. Whatever the reason, it seems (in my limited experience) that you can only get so high - which is hardly high at all - using the direct pipe approach (perhaps with better technique/control with the flame, this could change). It almost seems like I hit an upper limit. But with the lightbulb vaporizer, I seem to be able to go passed that limit and at least reach a mild-to-mediocre level of high.
I will keep practicing. I'm also going to try sprinkling a bit of it on some tobaco and roll it up. I heard this is a good way of vaporizing. I'll keep you posted.
any comments/advice is surely appreciated.
Chainer
Bluelighter
*Note: Talking Grade A Headies, not dick sizing, but so you understand my ROA preference.
I like Blunts the most in any group setting, and a blunt to the dome... nothing better.
For Blunts:
Group of 1-2: 1x 1 Gram Blunt
Group of 3-4: 2x 1 Gram Blunts
Group of 4+: 2x 1 Gram Blunts per 2 heads
Otherwise, for weed, my bong is my favorite method. I generally always just it alone as I am terrified someone will break it, I've spent hundreds on them from high asses cracking pieces that can't be fixed.
Long Shot
Detailed Spliced shot
For Hash, I always hot knife. Heres a pic of some bubble hash I made with a very altered method to make more keif then anything, and leave very smokeable bud:
That's the same bud I used, and the tin holder on the bottom is the the end result. Once Ounce yielded 3 tins that size. I found Hot Knifing to be the most efficient by far... if you already know how to chase the dragon, this is easy.
I like Blunts the most in any group setting, and a blunt to the dome... nothing better.
NSFW:
For Blunts:
Group of 1-2: 1x 1 Gram Blunt
Group of 3-4: 2x 1 Gram Blunts
Group of 4+: 2x 1 Gram Blunts per 2 heads
Otherwise, for weed, my bong is my favorite method. I generally always just it alone as I am terrified someone will break it, I've spent hundreds on them from high asses cracking pieces that can't be fixed.
Long Shot
NSFW:
Detailed Spliced shot
NSFW:
For Hash, I always hot knife. Heres a pic of some bubble hash I made with a very altered method to make more keif then anything, and leave very smokeable bud:
NSFW:
That's the same bud I used, and the tin holder on the bottom is the the end result. Once Ounce yielded 3 tins that size. I found Hot Knifing to be the most efficient by far... if you already know how to chase the dragon, this is easy.
psychomimetic
Bluelighter
^That bottom picture is amazing.
Hot knives are fun and super efficient, I can't usually be bothered to get off my ass and do them though.
Hot knives are fun and super efficient, I can't usually be bothered to get off my ass and do them though.
G.Bong vs. Joint THC concentration?
i checked up on the gravity bong mega thread but didn't really see much of a discussion about this particular topic:
i think that most people would agree that 1 rip from a gravity bong gets you higher than smoking half a joint (for example). correct me if im wrong, but in the process of smoking a joint or blunt, you probably end up consuming more THC due to the sheer fact that you're using at least twice or thrice the amount of bud to get the same (used loosely) amount of high.
what then is the actual mechanism that gets you from zero to stoned off of an unbelievably small amount of weed? it is the concentration of THC? is it volume of smoke in the one hit?
i checked up on the gravity bong mega thread but didn't really see much of a discussion about this particular topic:
i think that most people would agree that 1 rip from a gravity bong gets you higher than smoking half a joint (for example). correct me if im wrong, but in the process of smoking a joint or blunt, you probably end up consuming more THC due to the sheer fact that you're using at least twice or thrice the amount of bud to get the same (used loosely) amount of high.
what then is the actual mechanism that gets you from zero to stoned off of an unbelievably small amount of weed? it is the concentration of THC? is it volume of smoke in the one hit?
Newbierock
Bluelighter
While a G bong may seem like a kick in the face at first, joints definately get me more stoned than one hit off any kind of bong does..
The only difference is one comes on in seconds, whereas a joint delivers it over 10 minutes or whatever..
The only difference is one comes on in seconds, whereas a joint delivers it over 10 minutes or whatever..
This.
whataboutheforests
Bluelighter
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yeah this is why I use one. I love the rush and how I use literally a pinch of weed and get blazed as fuck every time. Best way to smoke if you're broke. I've been smoking 4-5 of these a day for the past couple months though and i feel like i've smoked myself retarded
w01fg4ng
Bluelighter
My bong is gone so I am now fond of smoking with a bubbler on the lawn.
phenethylo J
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Bubblers are my favorite to smoke out of.
I've been continuing my experiments with JWH and the different ways of smoking it (spliff vs. lightbulb vaporizer) for the past 2 weeks.
At first, I tried rolling my own joints (tobacco + JWH). This was really harsh mainly due to the lack of an adequate filter, and if you're like me and have a very low tolerance fop nicotine, it can make you queezy once it hits your head like a wrecking ball. That plus the fast rate at which you get through the joint - too fast (I'm not sure whether the rate at which it burns has any effect - vaporizing or burning - on the JWH molecule). With this method, I tried 10mg and 15mg of JWH-73, neither of which had much of an effect (just mildly high).
Then I tried a different approach: I bought a single colt cigar (they're slow burning and easy on the throat and head). I cut an insission along its length, measured out 50mg (I estimated that to get the level of high I'm used to with pot, I'd have to triple the dosage I'd been using at that point), and dumped it into the insission. I poked and pushed it around inside the cigar to mix it up, then used a couple rollies to ceale it up. This was a much better method, not only because it was a smoother smoke, but because it allowed me to experience the high coming on gradually as I worked my way up the shaft of the cigar. In fact, once I got about 2 thirds of the way through, I was feeling sufficiently high that maybe I should put it out now and just feel it out (I could always light up again if I ever felt I wanted to go further, I figured). So after about 5 minutes or so, I peeked - it was that place where you feel just a bit paranoid but not enough to make it a bad trip (my favorite place :D). All told, it took about 10 minutes from first lighting up, and 2 thirds of 50mg which is about 35mg, and the whole trip lasted for about an hour and a half.
Then came my experiments with the lightbulb vaporizer. A word to the wise: if you think you can carry over your dosage from spliffing it to vaporizing it, you are sadly mistaken! I was sadly mistaken (but also thankful for the experience). I think I can literally say I have never been more high in my life! She kicked my ass, lady JWH did! But I also surprised myself at how well I was able to come out of the bad trip and resume business as usual - and even be thankful of the experience. I figure a tell tale sign of being able to handle a bad trip well is if you can come out of it without acquiring PTSD. In fact, I'm even catching myself wanting to do it again at the same dosage (well, maybe a little less :D). Anyway, enough about me...
I figured if 35mg was just right when spliffing, I was going to aim for *about* the same amount for vaporizing. And just to be on the safe side (because I understood this was a different method), I knocked off 10mg. 25mg was what I ended up smoking. I vaporized it the same way I described in my last post: flame directly under the clump of powder and making contact with the glass. I watched it melt and bubble, and when the fumes started filling the bulb, I sucked slowly, filling my lungs to capacity (flame lit all the while). I held it in for 20 seconds, breathed out. Then I looked in the bulb: there still seemed to be some (in liquid form) still in there. So I lit up again. Same thing: filled my lungs, held for 20s, exhaled. Then I did it a third time. After that, I was sure everything was vaporized.
Then... then... very slowly... I started to realize what I had just done. Holy shit! I could foresee what was about to happen to me. I decided I was going to need a drink. Got out some rum. Took a couple of swigs (I do not recommend this - relying on alcohol that is - given my experiences in the past of how weed and alcohol can end up being coupled together as a bad habit, and you end up drinking for reasons OTHER than just to handle overwelming paranoia, but if you absolutely need SOMETHING to calm the nerves, a couple shots or so can help). I took one more swig for good measure. I looked at my watch. Christ! Only 5 minutes! I knew from my experience with spliffing it that the peek takes at least 10 minutes to come on... and given how strong and fast it was coming on this time, I was sure I had more than 10 minutes worth of escalating to go through still. Surprisingly, though, I found it in myself to calm myself down through my own self-talk: "You're fine, you're OK, you're just really... really... high... That's all that's going on." and I found myself able to believe it (I don't know how much the alcohol helped). From that point on, I started to relax. I don't recall how long the whole thing lasted, but I do remember being at around the 3 hour mark still feeling somewhat high. That's one of the merciful things about this drug: if you've done too much, you know it won't last long.
Anyway, later on that day, I decided to try it again. This time, I aimed for half the dosage: 12-13 mg. I got a clean bulb, and did the routine. This time, it took 2 lung fulls. Again, it came on pretty fast and strong, and at the peek I did feel quite uncomfortable. I wouldn't say it was so bad I was going to need a drink, but I was definitely in paranoia land. It was short lived, and after no more than 5 minutes (I'd say), I was comfortable again.
That night, I tried spliffing it again. I made 3 spliffs (again, with colt cigars). One with 30mg, another with 40, the last with 50, and I marked them. I also put tick marks along the length so that I could tell how much I had smoked (for example, if I felt like just having a decent relaxed trip, I could take the 50mg one and smoke it to the half way point, then save the rest for another time). This night, I smoked the whole of the 30mg one. As I said, I usually don't smoke, and if I smoke too much in one sitting, it gets to my stomach. I guess the full length of the cigar was too much for me. The last time, I felt fine, but that was only 2 thirds. This time, I had to lay down for about 15 to 20 minutes. As for the high, it was as expect - decent and relaxed, but definitely present. I can't imagine having to deal with nausia at the same time should it have been like earlier that day. That would have been horrible. This, I could deal with.
The next night, I tried it for a third and final time. I have this tradition: I make music mixes. Over the course of a few months, I collect songs from various sources. When I have enough for a full mix (usually about an hour and a half), I set aside a night when I can have a few drinks, get caffeinated, and high. Well Saturday night was the night. I had just sent the last of my guests home (I had a BBQ), and was already a bit intoxicated (about 4 or 5 glasses of wine, a beer, and a rum and coke). Got out my stash, measured out 15mg (I knew the 12-13 mg I did last time sent me into paranoia land, but I'm gutsy. I guess it's a rush for me - or it can be), and vaporized it in the usual way.
Well, this time things were different. For some reason, it hit me what seemed to be more intensely than the time with 25mg vaporized earlier that day. Now, I have several theories why this is, one of which is the obvious: I'm a novice at this vaporizing thing and I did something right this time whereas I did something wrong with the 25mg. But I also thought that maybe it was my biology: I've heard that some drugs will only be accepted into the body, and the brain, slowly and after a few tries. Maybe this time my brain was more open to it than the last few times. There's also the alcohol theory that says alcohol works as a catalyst and intensifies the high. There's also the theory that the alcohol numbs your rational thinking and boosts your emotionality, and everything suddenly becomes that much more dramatic (which makes some sense out of the way I remember it: not as bad as I was making out to seem to myself). Ultimately, I have no fucking idea why it hit so hard - and the alcohol wasn't helping much.
I did what I typical do when freaking out like this: I started eating healthy. For some reason (which actually makes good sense if you think about it), I figured what my body and brain needed right now was health food - nutrients and vitamins - so I started grabbing everything healthy I could find in the fridge: vegetables, fruits, yogurt, water, juice, etc. I even dumped the rest of the rum down the sink (something I'd regret the next morning). I felt that I had to listen to my body - it would tell me what I needed to eat next. At one point, I needed an orange, at another, a tomato, then water, then yogurt - each one adding something vital, something different. I ate like I was famished, sticky juices dripping down my neck and onto my clothes. After about ten minutes into it, the bad trip flipped around 180 and became this orgasmic experience. I was in extacy. At the time, I attributed that to the health foods. I looked at the collection on the kitchen counter and thought of it as my 'alternate' drug collection. Here you have your carbohydrates, here your minerals, here your vitamins, here your calcium, here your hydration, and each one was legitimately a 'drug' because they were really having positive effects on my brain, and each one was different in its own unique way. Well, I don't know how much truth there is to this - it was most likely a huge placebo effect, but you never know - it certainly couldn't have hurt me.
Anyway, about 15 minutes into it, I felt ready to listen to my mix. And what a mix it was, probably my best one yet (I even say that now after being sober for severals days and listening to it over a few times). It's too bad I can't remember much of the experience; I'm thinking maybe I don't need so much booz thrown into the mix; I think I could appreciate and remember the experience better that way. As for the anxiety of the bad trip, I think I could have told myself to suck it up until your over the peek - no more than 20 minutes anyway. In fact, that would probably be the best time to listen to my mix.
So I hope these experiences help others interested in exploring this powerful and very hard-to-control drug. I'd say spliffing it and vaporizing it are the best ways to smoke it, each with its own advantages and disadvantages. The advantages of spliffing are that you have way more control over your dosage and amount you consume. You can even decide to quit smoking at exactly the half-way point, or quarter way, or two thirds, or where ever, and save the rest for later. The slow pace at which you smoke it is also an advantage: it gives you time to feel it out, to feel how strong the high is getting and decide before its too late whether its too much, not enough, or just right (but keep in mind, you'll keep getting higher for at least 5 minutes even after quitting, so do keep that in mind). One disadvantage is that you need at least 5x the amount, which might be considered a waist (I'm not sure whether this has more to do with the chemical burning in the embers or half of it escaping into the air when you're not inhaling - probably both). Vaporizing it, on the other hand, would seem to take no less than 10mg for the equivalent of probably 40 or 50 mg spliffed (I'm not sure exactly about this. I've not yet vaporized 10mg, and I'm guessing based on my 15mg experience). Another disadvantage of spliffing is if you're not used to nicotine - you may just end up wanting to puke if you smoke too much - and dealing with a bad trip coming on at the same time can't be fun. A disadvantage of vaporizing is that it's much harder to control and smoke properly (at least if you're using a lightbulb), and if you don't manage to vaporize the whole dosage, you don't know exactly how much is left over, and you don't even know how much of that is destroyed molecules.
So there you go. Hope that helps.
At first, I tried rolling my own joints (tobacco + JWH). This was really harsh mainly due to the lack of an adequate filter, and if you're like me and have a very low tolerance fop nicotine, it can make you queezy once it hits your head like a wrecking ball. That plus the fast rate at which you get through the joint - too fast (I'm not sure whether the rate at which it burns has any effect - vaporizing or burning - on the JWH molecule). With this method, I tried 10mg and 15mg of JWH-73, neither of which had much of an effect (just mildly high).
Then I tried a different approach: I bought a single colt cigar (they're slow burning and easy on the throat and head). I cut an insission along its length, measured out 50mg (I estimated that to get the level of high I'm used to with pot, I'd have to triple the dosage I'd been using at that point), and dumped it into the insission. I poked and pushed it around inside the cigar to mix it up, then used a couple rollies to ceale it up. This was a much better method, not only because it was a smoother smoke, but because it allowed me to experience the high coming on gradually as I worked my way up the shaft of the cigar. In fact, once I got about 2 thirds of the way through, I was feeling sufficiently high that maybe I should put it out now and just feel it out (I could always light up again if I ever felt I wanted to go further, I figured). So after about 5 minutes or so, I peeked - it was that place where you feel just a bit paranoid but not enough to make it a bad trip (my favorite place :D). All told, it took about 10 minutes from first lighting up, and 2 thirds of 50mg which is about 35mg, and the whole trip lasted for about an hour and a half.
Then came my experiments with the lightbulb vaporizer. A word to the wise: if you think you can carry over your dosage from spliffing it to vaporizing it, you are sadly mistaken! I was sadly mistaken (but also thankful for the experience). I think I can literally say I have never been more high in my life! She kicked my ass, lady JWH did! But I also surprised myself at how well I was able to come out of the bad trip and resume business as usual - and even be thankful of the experience. I figure a tell tale sign of being able to handle a bad trip well is if you can come out of it without acquiring PTSD. In fact, I'm even catching myself wanting to do it again at the same dosage (well, maybe a little less :D). Anyway, enough about me...
I figured if 35mg was just right when spliffing, I was going to aim for *about* the same amount for vaporizing. And just to be on the safe side (because I understood this was a different method), I knocked off 10mg. 25mg was what I ended up smoking. I vaporized it the same way I described in my last post: flame directly under the clump of powder and making contact with the glass. I watched it melt and bubble, and when the fumes started filling the bulb, I sucked slowly, filling my lungs to capacity (flame lit all the while). I held it in for 20 seconds, breathed out. Then I looked in the bulb: there still seemed to be some (in liquid form) still in there. So I lit up again. Same thing: filled my lungs, held for 20s, exhaled. Then I did it a third time. After that, I was sure everything was vaporized.
Then... then... very slowly... I started to realize what I had just done. Holy shit! I could foresee what was about to happen to me. I decided I was going to need a drink. Got out some rum. Took a couple of swigs (I do not recommend this - relying on alcohol that is - given my experiences in the past of how weed and alcohol can end up being coupled together as a bad habit, and you end up drinking for reasons OTHER than just to handle overwelming paranoia, but if you absolutely need SOMETHING to calm the nerves, a couple shots or so can help). I took one more swig for good measure. I looked at my watch. Christ! Only 5 minutes! I knew from my experience with spliffing it that the peek takes at least 10 minutes to come on... and given how strong and fast it was coming on this time, I was sure I had more than 10 minutes worth of escalating to go through still. Surprisingly, though, I found it in myself to calm myself down through my own self-talk: "You're fine, you're OK, you're just really... really... high... That's all that's going on." and I found myself able to believe it (I don't know how much the alcohol helped). From that point on, I started to relax. I don't recall how long the whole thing lasted, but I do remember being at around the 3 hour mark still feeling somewhat high. That's one of the merciful things about this drug: if you've done too much, you know it won't last long.
Anyway, later on that day, I decided to try it again. This time, I aimed for half the dosage: 12-13 mg. I got a clean bulb, and did the routine. This time, it took 2 lung fulls. Again, it came on pretty fast and strong, and at the peek I did feel quite uncomfortable. I wouldn't say it was so bad I was going to need a drink, but I was definitely in paranoia land. It was short lived, and after no more than 5 minutes (I'd say), I was comfortable again.
That night, I tried spliffing it again. I made 3 spliffs (again, with colt cigars). One with 30mg, another with 40, the last with 50, and I marked them. I also put tick marks along the length so that I could tell how much I had smoked (for example, if I felt like just having a decent relaxed trip, I could take the 50mg one and smoke it to the half way point, then save the rest for another time). This night, I smoked the whole of the 30mg one. As I said, I usually don't smoke, and if I smoke too much in one sitting, it gets to my stomach. I guess the full length of the cigar was too much for me. The last time, I felt fine, but that was only 2 thirds. This time, I had to lay down for about 15 to 20 minutes. As for the high, it was as expect - decent and relaxed, but definitely present. I can't imagine having to deal with nausia at the same time should it have been like earlier that day. That would have been horrible. This, I could deal with.
The next night, I tried it for a third and final time. I have this tradition: I make music mixes. Over the course of a few months, I collect songs from various sources. When I have enough for a full mix (usually about an hour and a half), I set aside a night when I can have a few drinks, get caffeinated, and high. Well Saturday night was the night. I had just sent the last of my guests home (I had a BBQ), and was already a bit intoxicated (about 4 or 5 glasses of wine, a beer, and a rum and coke). Got out my stash, measured out 15mg (I knew the 12-13 mg I did last time sent me into paranoia land, but I'm gutsy. I guess it's a rush for me - or it can be), and vaporized it in the usual way.
Well, this time things were different. For some reason, it hit me what seemed to be more intensely than the time with 25mg vaporized earlier that day. Now, I have several theories why this is, one of which is the obvious: I'm a novice at this vaporizing thing and I did something right this time whereas I did something wrong with the 25mg. But I also thought that maybe it was my biology: I've heard that some drugs will only be accepted into the body, and the brain, slowly and after a few tries. Maybe this time my brain was more open to it than the last few times. There's also the alcohol theory that says alcohol works as a catalyst and intensifies the high. There's also the theory that the alcohol numbs your rational thinking and boosts your emotionality, and everything suddenly becomes that much more dramatic (which makes some sense out of the way I remember it: not as bad as I was making out to seem to myself). Ultimately, I have no fucking idea why it hit so hard - and the alcohol wasn't helping much.
I did what I typical do when freaking out like this: I started eating healthy. For some reason (which actually makes good sense if you think about it), I figured what my body and brain needed right now was health food - nutrients and vitamins - so I started grabbing everything healthy I could find in the fridge: vegetables, fruits, yogurt, water, juice, etc. I even dumped the rest of the rum down the sink (something I'd regret the next morning). I felt that I had to listen to my body - it would tell me what I needed to eat next. At one point, I needed an orange, at another, a tomato, then water, then yogurt - each one adding something vital, something different. I ate like I was famished, sticky juices dripping down my neck and onto my clothes. After about ten minutes into it, the bad trip flipped around 180 and became this orgasmic experience. I was in extacy. At the time, I attributed that to the health foods. I looked at the collection on the kitchen counter and thought of it as my 'alternate' drug collection. Here you have your carbohydrates, here your minerals, here your vitamins, here your calcium, here your hydration, and each one was legitimately a 'drug' because they were really having positive effects on my brain, and each one was different in its own unique way. Well, I don't know how much truth there is to this - it was most likely a huge placebo effect, but you never know - it certainly couldn't have hurt me.
Anyway, about 15 minutes into it, I felt ready to listen to my mix. And what a mix it was, probably my best one yet (I even say that now after being sober for severals days and listening to it over a few times). It's too bad I can't remember much of the experience; I'm thinking maybe I don't need so much booz thrown into the mix; I think I could appreciate and remember the experience better that way. As for the anxiety of the bad trip, I think I could have told myself to suck it up until your over the peek - no more than 20 minutes anyway. In fact, that would probably be the best time to listen to my mix.
So I hope these experiences help others interested in exploring this powerful and very hard-to-control drug. I'd say spliffing it and vaporizing it are the best ways to smoke it, each with its own advantages and disadvantages. The advantages of spliffing are that you have way more control over your dosage and amount you consume. You can even decide to quit smoking at exactly the half-way point, or quarter way, or two thirds, or where ever, and save the rest for later. The slow pace at which you smoke it is also an advantage: it gives you time to feel it out, to feel how strong the high is getting and decide before its too late whether its too much, not enough, or just right (but keep in mind, you'll keep getting higher for at least 5 minutes even after quitting, so do keep that in mind). One disadvantage is that you need at least 5x the amount, which might be considered a waist (I'm not sure whether this has more to do with the chemical burning in the embers or half of it escaping into the air when you're not inhaling - probably both). Vaporizing it, on the other hand, would seem to take no less than 10mg for the equivalent of probably 40 or 50 mg spliffed (I'm not sure exactly about this. I've not yet vaporized 10mg, and I'm guessing based on my 15mg experience). Another disadvantage of spliffing is if you're not used to nicotine - you may just end up wanting to puke if you smoke too much - and dealing with a bad trip coming on at the same time can't be fun. A disadvantage of vaporizing is that it's much harder to control and smoke properly (at least if you're using a lightbulb), and if you don't manage to vaporize the whole dosage, you don't know exactly how much is left over, and you don't even know how much of that is destroyed molecules.
So there you go. Hope that helps.
cattlecruiser
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i dont get it but vaping gives a different high thats nice. its just the most time-consuming method for me.
Cutless
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Gotta go with vaping. I like bongs and all, but I hate the next day when I find myself spitting out the nasty mucus that builds up from smoke paralyzing your cilia. That combined with the lessened amount of bud needed to get high just makes me like vaporizers the best.
adder
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I smoke using the cheapest small glass pipes. Is any options from the poll alright beside "Other"? I don't mix it with tobacco because I think weed rolled in a paper and smoked is a waste so it means I don't smoke blunts but then again, these are not bowl either. It's really funny how these differences accessories for smoking are legal and sometimes cost a fortune and it's obvious it's bought for smoking weed and not tobacco or whatever. And weed is illegal and considered worse than alcohol, it's really ridiculous.
Anyway, it's like with syringes and needles being legal and OTC (in most countries, I guess the problem is met in the US and needle exchange centers are really useful exclusively there) and heroin, cocaine or amphetamines being illegal. I know that needle exchange programs are also in the countries of Western Europe but it's kind of strange as syringes and needles are most often OTC there and these aren't expensive thing. It must be some lazy junkie using the same needle and the syringe a few times if he/she can get a new one in the pharmacy paying in cents.
Anyway, it's like with syringes and needles being legal and OTC (in most countries, I guess the problem is met in the US and needle exchange centers are really useful exclusively there) and heroin, cocaine or amphetamines being illegal. I know that needle exchange programs are also in the countries of Western Europe but it's kind of strange as syringes and needles are most often OTC there and these aren't expensive thing. It must be some lazy junkie using the same needle and the syringe a few times if he/she can get a new one in the pharmacy paying in cents.