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[MEGA] MDMA Comedown support thread - Ch. 1 - New Beginnings

Indeed these should not be merged into one thread. Everyone has their own side effects, their own story. We should be hearing about them in their own thread.
Why should those ridiculously stupid and pointless other ecstasy threads have their own threads when these are more important. These threads can actually help the people feeling like their life is at an end.
 
I dont understand why Futura was banned when all he did was voice out his opinion about merging these threads. I don't think that's fair at all
 
Hi all,
Thought I would update you all on my recovery. About two months ago I took what I believed to be MDA, and had a terrible comedown. I experienced all of the classic symptoms. DP/DR, night sweats, panic attacks, dizziness, severe brain fog. You name it, I had it. I'm still not at 100% better but I feel much more connected to my self and surroundings. The things that helped me the most were eating well, vitamins, telling those close to me I was scared and needed support, and I also started seeing a therapist. I'm not super in to my therapist but the fact I sought out help made me feel a little more in control. One thing she taught me was to remind myself not to catastrophize(spelling?). Meaning when I was feeling anxious or on the verge of a panic attack to literally repeat that over and over in my head to keep my anxiety from escalating. Doing this I would also come up with a plan in my head to handle the situation. Like if I was anxious at work, think of what I needed to do if I needed to leave, and it would actually subside. While this helped a great deal, I also decided to see my psychiatrist who has helped me with anxiety in the past. He's very knowledgeable and I was very honest with him about what had happened and what I was feeling. I was very reluctant to start an ssri and he understood this. I also mentioned I was not interested in xanax because of the risk of dependency. He decided that if I was up for it to start taking buspirone which is not an ssri and not a benzo. Side effects are very mild and I honestly didn't notice them much. I think it has helped and I don't even take it everyday. I am not saying everyone should get on medication at all and all natural is definitely commendable, but I am sharing my story. Please just make sure you trust your doctor and that he/she listens to you. I'm still sad and depressed in waves but that is also related to personal things that are going on, the upside is now I feel like I can really focus and tackle my emotional issues. I also wanted to say this, my psychiatrist said "I've been doing this for 30 years, people who worry about going crazy, never actually go crazy" that is if your safe with your drug use of course! Hope this helped someone or anyone :)
 
speaking of chill pill, unban futura, he is helping people here since over a year, the rest can be cleared out by pm, don't you think ?
 
It is a 3 day temporary ban. He will be back soon. I'm sure he will serve his time and come back with a smile, he knows what he did and that his actions were certainly not acceptable.. at least I hope. That is all I want to hear about this, if you are so upset with the way this has been handled than you can appeal to the admins for an infraction reversal.

This is a thread for support, there are no hidden intentions here and it is not the place to discuss one single member's actions.


Futura is not exempt from the rules no matter how many people he helps. I am sure he understands that, he is a smarter man than I.. hopefully you can get that too.
 
well, i can't comment on what has happened since it was deleted i guess.

i ve no intentions to derail this thread ... so lets all get along now

cheers
 
thumbellina said:
Hi all,
Thought I would update you all on my recovery. About two months ago I took what I believed to be MDA, and had a terrible comedown. I experienced all of the classic symptoms. DP/DR, night sweats, panic attacks, dizziness, severe brain fog. You name it, I had it. I'm still not at 100% better but I feel much more connected to my self and surroundings. The things that helped me the most were eating well, vitamins, telling those close to me I was scared and needed support, and I also started seeing a therapist. I'm not super in to my therapist but the fact I sought out help made me feel a little more in control. One thing she taught me was to remind myself not to catastrophize(spelling?). Meaning when I was feeling anxious or on the verge of a panic attack to literally repeat that over and over in my head to keep my anxiety from escalating. Doing this I would also come up with a plan in my head to handle the situation. Like if I was anxious at work, think of what I needed to do if I needed to leave, and it would actually subside. While this helped a great deal, I also decided to see my psychiatrist who has helped me with anxiety in the past. He's very knowledgeable and I was very honest with him about what had happened and what I was feeling. I was very reluctant to start an ssri and he understood this. I also mentioned I was not interested in xanax because of the risk of dependency. He decided that if I was up for it to start taking buspirone which is not an ssri and not a benzo. Side effects are very mild and I honestly didn't notice them much. I think it has helped and I don't even take it everyday. I am not saying everyone should get on medication at all and all natural is definitely commendable, but I am sharing my story. Please just make sure you trust your doctor and that he/she listens to you. I'm still sad and depressed in waves but that is also related to personal things that are going on, the upside is now I feel like I can really focus and tackle my emotional issues. I also wanted to say this, my psychiatrist said "I've been doing this for 30 years, people who worry about going crazy, never actually go crazy" that is if your safe with your drug use of course! Hope this helped someone or anyone :)
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Hello thumbellina, sorry for all this... futura was making such a ruckus about not being able to help people that he drowned out someone in need of help!!!

Good on you for being stern in not wanting meds, I think too many are too lenient on that part. Time is the biggest healer, always... you just learn to live with your symptoms, I don't really know if they ever go away but perhaps you just learn to ignore them so well they don't bother you?? That's how it seems for me at least...


at any rate, hope you feel better :)
 
okay thought i'd share my story

its been over a year since my comedown and anxiety began, some of you (Folly) might remember some of my crazed posts sometime last year about my depersonalisation and worries, i'd like to thank you for the support you gave me back then. I spent the whole of last summer's June worrying about how I might have damaged my mind chemically, I then later came to realise that a lot of the feelings were in my head and thought maybe I had just created a fear of MDMA reflex from all the worrying I did, causing me me to worry about my mind 24/7. Me and my girlfriend spoke a lot about this, and decided to try and sort my head out and have me roll at a few parties and try and combat the irrational fear, a kind of phobia-exposure cure.

I've dosed 5 times since and each time has been worse than the last (besides one which was okay, further proving my fear theory), coming down quicker every time and the last (January) I didnt even come up at all, I just felt weirdly drugged up and thinky and depressed and gutted that I wasnt feeling it like everyone else at the party (tested and shared with 10 people so I know it wasnt bunk). Since then I have decided to stop taking MDMA after realising that I have too many negative things to think about that prevent me from coming up.

I believe that the long term comedown is 100% psychological, caused by repeated thoughts, stress and worries heavily drilled into ones mind whilst a person suffers the short term effects of a large chemical imbalance after a binge. I believe the extreme psychological stress can trigger a person to begin an emotional journey causing their deepest hidden anxieties to rise to the surface.

I'd like to hear anyone elses experience with these long term comedowns, particularly their rolls during their comedown if they didnt completely stop taking it. Could you still roll during your long term comedown? were the rolls altered/messed up? and most importantly to anyone who has experienced any kind of long term comedown, can you still enjoy taking mdma after the comedown experience?
 
jon6123 said:
okay thought i'd share my story

its been over a year since my comedown and anxiety began, some of you (Folly) might remember some of my crazed posts sometime last year about my depersonalisation and worries, i'd like to thank you for the support you gave me back then. I spent the whole of last summer's June worrying about how I might have damaged my mind chemically, I then later came to realise that a lot of the feelings were in my head and thought maybe I had just created a fear of MDMA reflex from all the worrying I did, causing me me to worry about my mind 24/7. Me and my girlfriend spoke a lot about this, and decided to try and sort my head out and have me roll at a few parties and try and combat the irrational fear, a kind of phobia-exposure cure.



I've dosed 5 times since and each time has been worse than the last (besides one which was okay, further proving my fear theory), coming down quicker every time and the last (January) I didnt even come up at all, I just felt weirdly drugged up and thinky and depressed and gutted that I wasnt feeling it like everyone else at the party (tested and shared with 10 people so I know it wasnt bunk). Since then I have decided to stop taking MDMA after realising that I have too many negative things to think about that prevent me from coming up.

I believe that the long term comedown is 100% psychological, caused by repeated thoughts, stress and worries heavily drilled into ones mind whilst a person suffers the short term effects of a large chemical imbalance after a binge. I believe the extreme psychological stress can trigger a person to begin an emotional journey causing their deepest hidden anxieties to rise to the surface.

I'd like to hear anyone elses experience with these long term comedowns, particularly their rolls during their comedown if they didnt completely stop taking it. Could you still roll during your long term comedown? were the rolls altered/messed up? and most importantly to anyone who has experienced any kind of long term comedown, can you still enjoy taking mdma after the comedown experience?
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Hi JON6123, I am currently in a middle of a comedown and have not dosed.. I am on month 7 of what supposedly mdma and had horrible symptoms the day after.. I am still suffering from head pressure and weird dizziness. I dont think it's a good idea to roll while you are still on a comedown. Let me post a thread made my Surfer as some of the Bl's slipped on taking 'em while on a long term comedown http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/638984-Too-anyone-who-is-having-these-symptoms
 
All further talk of this will be removed from the thread and dealt with by Senior Staff.


For the last time, I have no hidden intentions with this thread. I don't know what the fuck you think I'm trying to accomplish here, this is a thread for people to get support from others... how that goes against "Harm Reduction", I have no idea. You are free to not use this thread, I am NOT merging others in here to force you all into one place. This is for people to have a unified place to gather together instead of being spread over various threads.


A MEGA thread is not a "MERGE" thread, it is just a place for discussion of a single topic. This topic happens to be about helping others dealing with these "comedowns", that is all it was meant to be, and that's all it will be in the future.




Now, I hope that I have explained myself this can finally be put to rest and the thread can continue as it was meant to. As I said, all further posts on this topic will be removed and infractions given by someone other than myself. If you wish to complain further, my PM box is always open and the administrators will be more than happy to hear your case.
 
jon6123 said:
I believe that the long term comedown is 100% psychological, caused by repeated thoughts, stress and worries heavily drilled into ones mind whilst a person suffers the short term effects of a large chemical imbalance after a binge. I believe the extreme psychological stress can trigger a person to begin an emotional journey causing their deepest hidden anxieties to rise to the surface.

I'd like to hear anyone elses experience with these long term comedowns, particularly their rolls during their comedown if they didnt completely stop taking it. Could you still roll during your long term comedown? were the rolls altered/messed up? and most importantly to anyone who has experienced any kind of long term comedown, can you still enjoy taking mdma after the comedown experience?
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I think the long term comedown is purely psychological for some, but don't think this statement applies to everyone. I definitely think there is a physiological basis for some of these symptoms, particularly for those who have committed the crime of ludicrous dosing, dosing on multiple days, dosing too regularly (ie once a week for an extended period of time).

Whilst anxiety may certainly worsen various symptoms, I don't believe it accounts for a lot of the ones experienced in some of the more severe long term comedowns - HPPD, tinnitus, bruxisms, cognitive problems to name a few. The mind is pretty powerful but I don't think anxiety is causing some of the physical problems I listed (above), especially now that anxiety is no longer one of my most prominent symptoms. I also had plenty of nasty comedowns before my long term one, and none of those triggered the emergence of any long term issues.

Whilst I'm not much of a scientist, I would guess that the extent to which these problems are physiological can be partially explained by how ones serotonin system has been affected by consumption/ abuse. This could mean temporarily depleted serotonin stores and/ or down regulation of serotonin receptors and/or some friend serotonin neurons for those who are unlucky (lacking the right liver enzyme, for instance) or those who went a little overboard.

I know I probably shouldn't be pushing the whole brain frying idea on someone with MDMA induced anxiety and probably no physiological damage, but I just don't think the "100% psychological" explanation covers everyone's case satisfactorily. I will agree though that the battle is largely psychological for all who experience long term side effects from MDMA and that MDMA has the potential to wreak psychological havoc, especially for those with pre-existing anxiety/ mood problems.
 
Ugh, can you guys comfort me right now? I think I'm going through the hardest times right now and I don't know why. Suddenly today I am just SO depressed/anxious and worried.

I am waiting to see a doctor in 2 weeks, but I can't stop thinking that I have some sort of problem like liver failure, stomach cancer, etc. The most worrying symptom that I have is that my appetite is nothing now and my bowel movements are not good quality. I am beginning to lose weight!! I'm already skinny as it is so you can see why this is a problem for me.

Please help me, I really need it.
 
Go outside. Go for a walk. Get off the internet. Nothing online is going to fix you, it is only going to scare the living shit out of you.

You are hyper sensitive right now and you can pick up on all kinds of normal signals your body sends every day but because you have the idea of "omgz I have serious problems" you will take a random ache in your side and go online and diagnose yourself with liver failure.

Seriously, get off the internet, you are only going to make yourself a wreck.

I would highly reccomend getting some professional help with your anxiety. It does not mean meds. Therapy really helped me realize that I was being my own worst enemy by reading shit on here and on google.

Remember, correlation does NOT equal causation.
 
WhatIsWrongWithMe said:
Ugh, can you guys comfort me right now? I think I'm going through the hardest times right now and I don't know why. Suddenly today I am just SO depressed/anxious and worried.

I am waiting to see a doctor in 2 weeks, but I can't stop thinking that I have some sort of problem like liver failure, stomach cancer, etc. The most worrying symptom that I have is that my appetite is nothing now and my bowel movements are not good quality. I am beginning to lose weight!! I'm already skinny as it is so you can see why this is a problem for me.

Please help me, I really need it.
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Dawglaw is right. Try not to spend too much time trawling the internet for answers if anxiety is your primary issue at the moment.

If you're diet is non-existent, I would recommend getting some supplements if you haven't already (especially a multivitamin and omega 3), so that you continue getting some good nutrients in to aid in your recovery. It could also be in your interests to invest in a whey isolate protein powder as this will help contribute towards overall calories whilst preventing the inevitable prospect of atrophying muscles while your body is operating on a calorie deficit (this a particularly good investment if you go to the gym/ exercise, which you should be doing right now for a number of reasons).

It may also be an idea to get a blender. I actually enjoy drinking a fruit smoothie in the morning (e.g. banana, blueberries, strawberries, yoghurt/milk, cinnamon), as opposed to an oily fry up or something. Breakfast is the most essential meal as it is literally the meal that "breaks" your "fast" - blending my morning meal has long been the solution for me due to my early morning appetite problems.

Hang in there!
 
dpd brings up a good point.

When my shit first hit the fan, I lost a ton of weight. I just couldnt eat because I was so freaked out.

I would drink jamba juices and eat buttered pasta at night just to get some calories in me. Once your brain relaxes you will get your appetite back and you will regain that weight.

Listen to me man: I have been through the EXACT same thing you are going through right now. IT WILL BE OK. I know how fucking terrifying life is right now. YOU WILL BE OK!

Do breathing exercises, they will ground you and force your body to relax a bit. For 20 min lay down on the floor, close your eyes and only focus on breathing in and then exhaling. Count to 4 on each inhale and exhale. Do not think about your brain, do not think about drugs. Only think about breathing.
 
Excellent, Im loving the the change in direction this whole forum has taken recently.

Lots of people who were previously having what they assumed was "Permanent damage" or a "long term come down" are now dishing out the best advice.

Exersize, eat healthy, supplements like 5-HTP and to get off bluelight/internet and reading up on anxiety and related issues which in turn increase the anxiety which in turn increases anxiety related disorders. This then leads to more reading of these conditions and the vicious cycle begins again.

There was almost an unwarranted air of hysteria in Ecstasy Discussion.

The Penny is finally dropping!!

What ever you are suffering it WILL pass. Do the above and ride it out.

Excellent decision to have this thread IMO. Clears up the rest of the forum from multiple similar of which 99% of the people suffering will recover by following the above advice and remembering is takes time. For the other 1% you really need to seek medical advise, bluelight is not the answer.
 
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