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i don't really like the word "God" because its connotation lies in organized religion, however, to me "God" is the heartbeat of the universe ... something that exists in everyone and everything. collective conciousness? i think so.

people use organized religion to explain this "God"/sense of spirituality that they have inside them... there cannot be one right religion because they are all aiming towards the same thing, to explain why we're here, give us a sense of morality, and a sense of comfort about the unknown (death).
 
I think most people who've intellectually plumbed the depths of the question of God have come out ultimately admitting they're not sure, and probably won't ever be 100% sure.

This is what makes Religion so embarrassing.

That includes atheism.



Reason ultimately leads one towards the logical conclusion of agnosticism
This was my point.

If my drug-fuelled over-abundance of adjectives and sub-clauses were enough of an impediment to your efforts at understanding my post, to warrant a complete dismissal of it,
I will reiterate:
I pity those, who, despite a natural skill in logical reasoning,
still hold on to a position of "belief", or "faith",
due to their unconscious desires for the possible "beneficial" implications of that scenario overwhelming their own logical conclusions,
pushing them into a state of faith,
or "denial".


And as for those that "believe" in there being no God....

well, i don't even pity them.
 
i don't really like the word "God" because its connotation lies in organized religion, however, to me "God" is the heartbeat of the universe ... something that exists in everyone and everything. collective conciousness? i think so.

Moar liek strings amirite? ;)
 
Psst. I don't want to start any blasphemous rumours, but I think that God's got a sick sense of humour, and when I die, I expect to find him laughing.

Seriously, though. As an atheist, I consider "god" (little 'g') to mean a supernatural being designated as the leader or creator of the universe by various mythologies (including modern ones).

But you wrote "God" (big 'G'). That word is essentially meaningless to me. It's like the name of a celebrity I don't think I will ever meet, and very much doubt even exists.

Buddhism, which is the philosophy I most closely identify with, has no use for either "god" or "God."

The_Idler said:
This is what makes Religion so embarrassing.

That includes atheism.

There are many types of atheism. Agnostic atheism, also called "soft atheism" makes no claim that there is definitely no god.
 
To me God is what us humans turn to when we realise we are so insignificant in the enormity of the cosmos and we shit our pants and feel vulnerable.
 
God is nothing to me. God and the Devil are fairy tales, used to control the masses.
 
^ Some would say the biggest trick the Devil ever played is convincing people he doesn't exist.
 
Lol then you are clearly 'some'

to get it right - ."The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world that he didn't exist."
 
there's a middle ground here ...

but it keeps moving ~ ; )





to me god signifies creation ... i don't claim to know where, or how or what life is

it just seems to be an act of creation ~ and we are apart of that ...

so the finale of this story is ...

I AM GOD ~!! >>. wooot woot

hahahah
 
Gaining One's Definition...
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"God is a concept, by which we measure our pain."

-John lennon
 
This is what makes Religion so embarrassing.

That includes atheism.




This was my point.

If my drug-fuelled over-abundance of adjectives and sub-clauses were enough of an impediment to your efforts at understanding my post, to warrant a complete dismissal of it,
I will reiterate:
I pity those, who, despite a natural skill in logical reasoning,
still hold on to a position of "belief", or "faith",
due to their unconscious desires for the possible "beneficial" implications of that scenario overwhelming their own logical conclusions,
pushing them into a state of faith,
or "denial".


And as for those that "believe" in there being no God....

well, i don't even pity them.

I am too stupid to understand this. I concede my throne to you, Sire.
 
Atheism is not a religion, as much as religious people would like to label it as such, and therefore subject it to the same rigorous scutiny as their own belief(s).

Atheism is simply the absence of a particular belief (god/God), and, as I stated in my last post, there are a variety of types of atheism.
 
Atheism is not a religion, as much as religious people would like to label it as such, and therefore subject it to the same rigorous scutiny as their own belief(s).

If reason reveals to the theist and the atheist the same conclusion, then I would argue that religious people certainly can subject atheism to the same 'rigorous scrutiny as their own belief(s).'

Atheism is simply the absence of a particular belief (god/God), and, as I stated in my last post, there are a variety of types of atheism.

Atheism is the absence of a particular belief in God inasmuch as it is a belief in the nonexistence of God. Agnosticism is the only rational position in relation to the existence or nonexistence of God. Therefore, if one is to presuppose the existence of God then one is to accept it as a proposition which transcends reason and is unfalsifiable; if one is to presuppose the nonexistence of God, then one is to accept it as a proposition which transcends reason.

Empirical science in conjunction with reason is the best method to understand material reality. God is incommensurable as a concept in relation to other concepts, however, as all other concepts begin through our perception of incoming sensory data propagating out of material objects. There is no other such concept which transcends our experience that we can truly compare to God.
 
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cP said:
Atheism is the absence of a particular belief in God inasmuch as it is a belief in the nonexistence of God.
So, saying "I do not believe that I am definitely going to win the lottery tonight"
is the same as sayin "I believe that I am definitely going to lose the lottery tonight"
....?


no




IF atheism is absence of belief (in God),
THEN it can be reached by logical reasoning.

I suppose you simply do not like the word atheist, as it may also include those, who *believe* there is no God.

Agnosticism proposes that we can make no assessment either way?
BS, God is logically improbable, so I shall act as if He probably does not exist.

This makes me an atheist.
or "agnostic atheist"
or "nonreligious atheist"
 
So, saying "I do not believe that I am definitely going to win the lottery tonight"
is the same as sayin "I believe that I am definitely going to lose the lottery tonight"
....?

...no

All I see is a tiny strawman playing in crowded city streets.

IF atheism is absence of belief (in God),
THEN it can be reached by logical reasoning.

Suppose your position is atheism. What would the architecture of this reasoning resemble? We can discuss the essential structure first, my sexy little friend.

I suppose you simply do not like the word atheist, as it may also include those, who *believe* there is no God.

I do like the word atheist, in fact, I have considered myself an atheist since I was very young. Recently, however, I would consider myself a theist who is still discovering a 'theological hypothesis' of God. I have been very careful to consider as much conceptual knowledge and empirical facts to come to as rational conclusion as possible, considering agonsticism is the clear choice of reason. To be quite honest, I have certainly shifted my thought structure towards God, in favor of God and do not quite understand my previous resentment in pursuing God.

To be clear here, we do not really have an operational definition of God, so there is a special element of subjectivity that emerges to which we must assume we both agree implicitly on the same thing.

I like the term theist too, I also like agnostic. I don't particuarly dislike either of the three words.

Agnosticism proposes that we can make no assessment either way?
BS, God is logically improbable, so I shall act as if He probably does not exist.

This makes me an atheist.
or "agnostic atheist"
or "nonreligious atheist"

Agnosticism does propose that. However, when I describe reason as limited to that which we can experience, it simply implies that you are skeptical of reason as a Universal tool of philosophical inquiry.

The primary problem with my atheist worldview for a long time, was that I was thinking purely and only in terms of materialism and reductionism. All that exists is that which is material and that it must be reduced into its constituents to understand it and that in fact all of reality can ultimately be reduced and we can come to absolutely know a thing through empiricism and reason.

When I thought upon the notion of agnosticism and considered the notion that atheism is as much of an irrational position as theism, I began to explore theism more and began to question why I was ever an atheist in the first place. If I use reason to determine morality as opposed to dogmatic doctrine and I maintain a materialist worldview in terms of still accepting science as the primary method of understanding physical reality then it does not appear to negatively affect any person.

The primary contention to my argument of simply dismissing the discussion of God is that God is incommensurable in terms of showing a relationship between God and concepts abstracted from reality.

There is no such a thing or being who posseses the same essence as God.
 
We don't share the same interpretation of atheism,
but in this case, call me agnostic, whatever--
I do not claim to know, or believe, either way.


Deciding which is more transcendent,
logic or God,
is simply a matter of which do you believe, a book or your brain.

by book i mean the definition of God, which you learned from others


You can see your cognitive functions and productive conscious reasoning "follow" logic,
and so you would tend to imagine that any concept can be treated logically.

That is, of course, until someone says "Ah but you see this seemingly highly improbable concept is actually not so, because logic doesnt apply here."

"That's odd," you think, "logic has applied in every other theoretical and actual situation I have ever considered.... Why not here?"

O YA, because, if it did, the concept of God would be so obviously highly improbable, and therefore could easily be dismissed,
and THEN how is a respectable intellectual supposed to cling on to this little psychological comforter...?
 
Empirical science in conjunction with reason is the best method to understand material reality. God is incommensurable as a concept in relation to other concepts, however, as all other concepts begin through our perception of incoming sensory data propagating out of material objects. There is no other such concept which transcends our experience that we can truly compare to God.

Experience( Being ) itself transcends reason. As Descartes said, "I think therefore I am." It's an empirical observation that is beyond reason.

Being is synonymous with God and the idea as such seems to extend from apprehensions of Being.
 
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