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Pets MEGA Cats VS Dogs - POLL!

The Big Question - Cat v's Dog

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A suggestion that I haven't seen mentioned, is bringing your dog to some kind of "doggie-daycare". Sure this could make your pet less dependent on you for it's being, but this could be a good thing, IMO.

I think crate training when done properly can be a good thing as it tries to match the environment the dog instinctively seeks for and finds comfort and security in. It also gives them a personal space. Personally I wouldn't use a crate without covering it/making it dark/shaded inside for the animal, and I'd try to minimize the "cage" feel to it, and not make it an extended stay...
 
In the wild I'm pretty positive the majority of dogs do NOT seek out cage-like atmospheres.....so, in general, 'crate-training' is a modern convenience factor of human beings regardless of how dogs may react to it (though it may be 'positive' because they are very adaptive animals).
 
I can't really argue with you, but I can bring the same feelings up for owning pets in general anyways... which is why I don't anymore. One reason anyway.

When my ex used to crate her dog my initial feeling was how wrong it was to trap the animal in there like that. My feelings are more for an "open crate policy", and for extremely small puppies to at first be in there when one needs to leave home. Not only for our convenience, but perhaps for their protection. Also, as harsh as it is (and taking a puppy from mommy isn't harsh? Come on!), this might teach them that they go from this place that they can't control, to in your arms, or from your hand they receive freedom. Uhh.. basically, it can be good for training. As many things as I can find wrong with the ritual of owning a dog in the first place, we can't just stop half way. They need discipline so that they're not bouncing off of walls. In ways, in the long wrong (uh, run- i mean), the training although maybe seen as a little mean, might make for a more secure, happy animal... but .. at the same time, many people do it wrong, and it can be really wrong.

Hmm..

I can't say I know though, or disagree, as I said I don't.. but I don't feel that in this case, dog ownership in modern world already being wrong (rip child away from mother bitches don't argue with me. you create a dependent fucked up child. you fucked up child. grow up.), is left with only one right answer (or wrong.)

We just do what we can.

Honestly I think the OP is being selfish and like he said, "I feel like a little kid" when i say "puppy" "puppy"- please don't take offense.

You just need to grow the fuck up. :) Sorry. /prepares for burn




uhh.. right.. but i guess at this point in owning an animal I should stress "harm reduction"- the focus of this forum. because as mentioned, lest not forget that owning a dog is pretty harmful in the first place. just think about it. why not try to fix or make less of a problem that's already happened (adopt, selfish dickhead), instead of going and robbing some baby from it's mommy. yea it will happen whether you do it or not but at least you will have personally taken a more enlightened path... which is good for you, and for everyone. the end. thank you jesus.
 
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lolz. i can tell you like speed.

anyhoo....no burn, i totally need to grow up. but don't plan on it.

i disagree with your assessment that taking a pup from her mother is "wrong", or whatever. what would you prefer we do? these are "domesticated" animals. should they just run wild? shit, my parents bread a lab that absolutely would not nurse her litter. had to find a surrogate mother just to nurse the little fuckers so they didn't die.

people kill deer to control the deer population. what would we do with all of the dogs, man?

they're fucking domesticated, brah. my dog hates other dogs, he's not mean to them, he just doesn't really pay them any attention. he loves me to death though, because i spoil the little shit rotten and have given him an awesome life.

i agree with some of what you're saying here, but couldn't disagree more with your statement that "owning an animal is harmful". especailly a dog.

i could go on, but i don't do speed.
 
Neither do I :) Actually no drugs except weed.

My saying owning a dog is "wrong" is more in hope to bring more light on "putting dogs in crates is wrong.", to try to bring an example as to how it might be seen perhaps not wrong (wrong word wrong), but unfortunate to begin with. So much about pet ownership I find wrong/unfortunate but as you said, these dogs have become what they are through domestication, so what can we do?

We could eat them...

We could...

Perhaps this is inevitable, though (the __ of having animals as pets), but trying to consider what you have said about your situation, I feel your options are limited. IMO unless you do the doggie day care thing or have a trusted walker, play person and whatnot (or can leave work), definitely don't get a puppy. But I believe you know right, anyway, and don't need us really.

Uhh... And calling you an dick, I was sort of making an example of how I felt... Based on an example of dog owners or soon to be dog owners- an example of you. Glad you don't take personally.

Dog ownership really is about as "wrong" as everything else, to further try to clarify... I was sort of just bringing up a relation for anti crate people (or my anti-crate feelings), as said.
 
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Have you had a chance to see how he acts around puppies? I think someone mentioned something about visiting with shelter animals. Was it with you and your animal? I don't mean to get one, but just to see how he reacts. That's what I'd consider doing if I wanted one. Investigate.

I know you said your dog doesn't like other dogs... isn't mean but doesn't pay attention to them. I'm just wondering if he'd take interest in puppies. It seems like it'd be a deep rooted instinct to show interest toward young... just what interest is what. But I don't know.




As far as crates go, for what I'm getting from them, it's not the caging in so much that I take from them, it's the giving them a personal-private space (if covered to some degree and made comfortable) that I find positive... and perhaps beginning as a puppy, security. I don't know, though. they'd be too easy to misuse, easily justified by certain ideas. Then again, I really hold no opinion, so I can't continue. the very breeds of dogs are a result of us "caging" in a general sense, these dogs. Just like a certain amount of pain might be good, maybe some of the more restrictive crate training is positive in a sense (what are you looking for?)?
 
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A really sad question

I need to put my dear, old dog down, and I want to do it gently and at home. He's a nearly 15 year old german shepherd whose arthritis and hip dysplasia has been getting worse for the last 2 years. He can't walk by himself anymore, and he poops and pees himself often. It's terrible because he has a really independent kind of temperament. He lets out this long, dejected sigh whenever it happens. I feel so bad for him. I don't mind helping him stand up by lifting him and holding his hips so that he doesn't fall... But today something more awful happened. He's bitten into his hip and exposed the joint, as far as I can tell. It must hurt him horribly. He is trying to pull out the "foreign object" with his teeth, but the stabbing pain is his own deteriorated joint.

It's just so sad that I cannot defend keeping him alive any more, I think. A few weeks ago I took a decision to put him down after he could not get up for two days, but then he got up by himself and walked around that same day... But it was a temporary improvement. I am going to have to do this, probably... I was hoping that he could go naturally in his sleep, but he is a tough, old guy. If only there were doggy wheelchairs he would be rolling around for another year, at least.

I am planning on doing it with codeine atm. I once accidentally overdosed on heroin, and it was not an unpleasant experience at all. Morphine is also how they offer euthanasia to terminally ill patients here. So it seems like death by opiates must be a gentle way to go.

I have some prescription codeine, but I am not sure if it will be enough. I overdosed on much less than I have, but it was intravenous. I have looked up the ld50 for codeine, and I think about 800 mg orally should be enough for a big dog like my guy. I have maybe 600, total, and it is old - leftover from when I had an injury some years ago.

I am in Canada, so I can get the AC&C tablets over the counter. I want to know if the caffeine in these tablets is going to prevent an overdose. Or if it would keep him too alert as this would also be bad. My accidental overdose was like drifting into a warm, numb dream... I did not even feel it when I stopped breathing. I want him to go like that - to just feel really comfortable and then very sleepy and then go gently. Will the over the counter tabs be ok for this? I don't want to mess it up... It's important to me that this is a one shot deal and that it doesn't hurt him.

Someone is probably going to ask why I don't take him to the vet. Well, he can't walk. And it would be painful and terrifying for him to be dragged there and subjected to all that weirdness in his last hours. Home is the best for him, even if it is harder for me. Then there is the cost issue. To get a vet to come here and do it is a LOT more than I can afford right now. I have not been working for some months and only just started back. I am behind in my bills and can only just cover the rent.

Besides... I know, from experience, that this is a kind death. I don't know if the lethal injections are as gentle as this. Maybe they are, and then maybe not. I have never been in this position before, so I don't know, sigh...

Well, I would appreciate your informed help. Thanks in advance. :(
 
To be honest, I found reading that really disturbing. You should have done something about this before it got so bad that your dog is biting himself. Take him to a vet NOW.

Don't give him codeine. It will be a bad death for him. A codeine overdose will cause massive release of histamine which will make him anxious/frightened, physically uncomfortable (excessivly itchy, restless) as well as possibly cause a severe, painful allergic reaction. Codeine overdoses are very different to heroin or morphine overdoses, as they can cause seizures; the truth is that euthansing him in that way will be a very bad death. Don't do it. You clearly love him; give him some peace. Take him to a vet; they will most likely use barbiturates, where he will simply get drowsy, fall asleep and die within less then a minute of administration. Codeine will take longer.

I know you don't want to upset him by taking him to a vet, but he certainly doesn't deserve to suffer. Get a vet to come to you. Its the only humane thing you can do now. What you are planning is NOT a kind death.
 
Your dog sounds really bad off. You are not a doctor or vet and have no right administering any narcotics to a dog. If you truly care about him then take him to the vet; which is something that seems to have been long over-due.
 
Maybe someone with vet experience can chime in and say what is a good idea for someone in this position who isn't able to pay for a vet? I'm sure this isn't all too uncommon of an occurrence.
 
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To be honest, I found reading that really disturbing. You should have done something about this before it got so bad that your dog is biting himself. Take him to a vet NOW.

Don't give him codeine. It will be a bad death for him. A codeine overdose will cause massive release of histamine which will make him anxious/frightened, physically uncomfortable (excessivly itchy, restless) as well as possibly cause a severe, painful allergic reaction. Codeine overdoses are very different to heroin or morphine overdoses, as they can cause seizures; the truth is that euthansing him in that way will be a very bad death. Don't do it. You clearly love him; give him some peace. Take him to a vet; they will most likely use barbiturates, where he will simply get drowsy, fall asleep and die within less then a minute of administration. Codeine will take longer.

I know you don't want to upset him by taking him to a vet, but he certainly doesn't deserve to suffer. Get a vet to come to you. Its the only humane thing you can do now. What you are planning is NOT a kind death
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This is the best advice ^^

Also in Canada you can be charged (criminally) with cruelty to animals for trying to euthanize your own dog
 
jazz hands said:
Maybe someone with vet experience can chime in and say what is a good idea for someone in this position who isn't able to pay for a vet? I'm sure this isn't all too uncommon of an occurrence.
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Yes... that.

My dog has been aged but able to function until just recently. I am in Québec, and we just started to have winter temperatures a little bit before Christmas. Up until two days prior it looked like there would be no snow for Christmas. So yea, the cold is doing him in. As soon as the air changed and the temps dropped he was about 6 times worse than before and pretty much overnight. I hate this situation, but it's unkind to keep him going through 2 or 3 months of winter temperatures. It's unkind to drag it out waiting for him to go naturally, too.

For me, I have tried to listen to my dog. Up until now he got more pleasure than misery out of life despite having a wobbly walk and occasionally going down the stairwell outside and not being able to get out because climbing was too hard.

He's 15, and german shepherds don't usually live beyond 12. He's had a good and healthy life. My dog is a rescue, too. He would very likely have been put down as a young juvenile if I hadn't taken him. He was abandoned and had some pretty bad behaviour problems when I first got him.

So I hope that addresses the accusations of animal cruelty... It's the opposite of cruelty, and it's weighing very heavy on my heart.

I can't send him off to the pound for euthanasia, though this would be cheap. We have the dubious distinction of having the only for-profit pound in the country. It's long been known that they sell animals that come into their possession to labs for experiments, and recently video footage came out of their "veterinary procedures". They don't have vets or qualified techs performing euthanasia. The injections go into the muscle, more often than not, and the dog dies a slow and painful death, potentially over a period of hours, in a pile of dying dogs. I am not making this shit up, either. Google Berger Blanc, and you should find something about it. I have been lobbying my municipal government for months to rescind my boroughs contract with them. It's disgusting.

I can send him "out of contract" to the SPCA who services the borough just northeast of me, but it will cost 100$, and that is their charity deal. Normally it would be over 200. I don't have a car or have any close friends with one. So this is going to involve dragging him, literally, into a cab and then into a fearful smelling clinic full of scared, abandoned animals. It's also more than I can afford, especially when taking the cab fare into consideration, which is quite expensive too since they are far from me.

The preferred option would be to have a vet come here and do it, but idk if I can find one I can afford. I haven't been able to find one yet. I am really stuck between a rock and a hard place here, or I would not even be thinking of doing this.

I also have a fair bit of anti anxiety medication (for myself), so I reckon that could help him be comfortable. I am in a shitty situation, and I am looking for serious advice here. I already feel horrible enough about it without having people accuse me of being a sadist.
 
Dogs and humans are biologically very different - things humans enjoy and are good for us can have TOTALLY DIFFERENT reactions when taken by an animal. You have to stop resisting this, go to a vet now and get some assistance from someone who knows how to help your dog.

Human food, human medication - it will NOT help your dog!!!
 
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