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Pets MEGA Cats VS Dogs - POLL!
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getreal said:
man. that is so fucking sad.
harry gets walked every morning. we go to the park and he runs free off his leash so that he can poop and explore....strange tho- he will not poop in our yard....we have to go to the park...just a quirk i suppose...
he also gets a 2 mile jaunt every other day in the evening...
i really do not see any similarities to my situation here. please clarify what you thought might be pertinent....is it the thought that i might keep harry confined to the yard? even if that did happen, he would still get his morning walks and his evening exercise.....
Kyk said:
It's a zero sum game. There are dogs being killed every day all over the world. If you save this one, a different one dies. Who is doing any marginalizing? I'm looking at the whole picture with compassion.
If you only consider the dog Harry, then yes, I agree with you. He is a creature just like us.
MynameisnotDeja said:
I don't know you, Deja, so I have to make this assumption: someone who makes this statement must be a vegan who doesn't wear any leather. There are people here like that. They have my respect.
DarthMom
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have to admit, can't respect the fact that you would hold your dogs life as closely as your childs, but you certainly have that right. and i don't mind if you don't respect my view.MynameisnotDeja said:
ali, you can kiss that cesar milan idea bye bye. even he would not be senseless enough to take to tv this "hi, cesar, my dog bit my child in the skull for no reason while i was supervising, and she required brain surgery, can you spend a few days here and make him ok again"
let's get real here.
harry needs to go.
and if you really can't find a home for him then euthanasia is not at all out of the question. if a dog brutally attacks someone the owner has the option of putting it down. i have questions as to how your vet would say differently.
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^^I think the vet would say differently because he isn't willing to jump to conclusions and take the dogs life unless there is no alternative and it is absolutely necessary. I think that even dogs deserve a second chance, especially because their responsibility for their actions is reduced by virtue of them lacking the capacity to know the difference between right and wrong.
If this were a mentally ill or disabled person, we wouldn't just kill them, we would try to help them. There's nothing to be accomplished by killing the dog needlessly, and much to be lost.
I was actually directing my comments about making a decision based on an emotional reaction rather than a reasoned and compassionate evaluation of the situation more towards you, darthmom, and maybe some others, than johnny. That's the only explanation I can come up with as to why you are so hasty to kill the dog.
Clearly the child takes precedence over the dog, but once the child is safe and taken care of, what's the harm in taking the time to consider the dog and see if there is an alternative to ending its life? It's not as if letting it live is going to put the child at further risk.
Furthermore there's very little evidence that this dog is going to be a danger in the future. There has only been the one incident, and we don't know enough about it to be able to say that it was caused by the dogs temperament or disposition towards violence. This is a single incident, not a pattern of behavior. In fact, it's the exception to the pattern of behavior, which was up until this point totally benign. More needs to be known before anyone can conclude that the only option is to end the dog's life. That should, and usually is, the very last resort, not the first.
If this were a mentally ill or disabled person, we wouldn't just kill them, we would try to help them. There's nothing to be accomplished by killing the dog needlessly, and much to be lost.
I was actually directing my comments about making a decision based on an emotional reaction rather than a reasoned and compassionate evaluation of the situation more towards you, darthmom, and maybe some others, than johnny. That's the only explanation I can come up with as to why you are so hasty to kill the dog.
Clearly the child takes precedence over the dog, but once the child is safe and taken care of, what's the harm in taking the time to consider the dog and see if there is an alternative to ending its life? It's not as if letting it live is going to put the child at further risk.
Furthermore there's very little evidence that this dog is going to be a danger in the future. There has only been the one incident, and we don't know enough about it to be able to say that it was caused by the dogs temperament or disposition towards violence. This is a single incident, not a pattern of behavior. In fact, it's the exception to the pattern of behavior, which was up until this point totally benign. More needs to be known before anyone can conclude that the only option is to end the dog's life. That should, and usually is, the very last resort, not the first.
Jackal
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Baby and the dog should not have been on the floor together. Keep the dog outside, and don't let into the house very much until the child is at least a year older.
LoveAlways said:
i think some of my post are getting swallowed up by the others.
i posted yesteday that he has an appt with the behaviorist vet on monday. she will evaluate his problems and make a suggestion of what should be done.
papa
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I hope things work out okay ali. I thought about it a lot and I just don't know what I'd do in your place. It would be very difficult
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pennywise said:
It perplexes me that you think this incident or any future incidents depend upon the dog's 'disposition towards violence'. The dog, in all probability, has no concept of violence. All that has been trained into it is 'if i bite this, there are consequences'. It has no concept that violence is morally wrong or that it hurts other people. It is not unreasonable to say that, to a dog, there is no difference between mauling a chew toy and mauling a baby. Sure, different dogs exhibit different temperaments but this is not indicative of one dog being safer than another when it comes to babies. You cannot, and should not dissect the dog's motives and intentions like it has human thought processes.
I've noticed people keep saying 'but if it was a mentally retarded human, we would try to help it'. Yes we would. But we would start by immediately preventing it from having any thing to do with the child whatsoever. No possibility of contact. The back yard or the other side of the house would not be good enough.
I agree with DarthMom in one respect: I have no comprehension of how people can equate a dog's life with the life of a human child. It's no use saying you view humans and animals as equals (johnny1's point about the only people who can say that credibly being vegans who wear no leather slots in nicely here), animals do not view other animals as equals.
Anyway, in response to the op's initial question: I would have the dog put down. No questions asked. I love my pets but if any of them even attacked my children, let alone punctured their skull, I would have no hesitation in doing this. Find it another home if you will but please make sure that there is not even the remotest possibility of contact between your dog and the child.
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alicat72 said:
Exactly. Fausty's not in the rescue business (to the best of my knowledge) and is also not anywhere near Ohio, but if I had a question about aggressive behavior in dogs, he'd be the first one I personally would ask.
alicat -
yay for Amelie being home! I hope in time this becomes a distant memory for you and your family. Medication for Harry may even be an option; a friend's overly aggressive cat was treated with kitty Prozac and is doing well now.I still lean toward rehoming Harry and agree that euthanasia isn't out of the question if he isn't able to be rehomed, but euthanasia should definitely be a last resort. Something that involves everyone in the situation being allowed to live would be optimal.
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Anyway, in response to the op's initial question: I would have the dog put down. No questions asked. I love my pets but if any of them even attacked my children, let alone punctured their skull, I would have no hesitation in doing this. Find it another home if you will but please make sure that there is not even the remotest possibility of contact between your dog and the child.[/QUOTE]
well, i posted this before but i guess i will just keep posting it when someone hasn't seen it. the law in this state does not allow a dog to be put down for one bite. he has to be evaluated and we have an appt on monday.
Anyway, in response to the op's initial question: I would have the dog put down. No questions asked. I love my pets but if any of them even attacked my children, let alone punctured their skull, I would have no hesitation in doing this. Find it another home if you will but please make sure that there is not even the remotest possibility of contact between your dog and the child.[/QUOTE]
well, i posted this before but i guess i will just keep posting it when someone hasn't seen it. the law in this state does not allow a dog to be put down for one bite. he has to be evaluated and we have an appt on monday.
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I have had dogs all my life. This behavior is actually not uncommon. When you have one dog and introducing a puppy more than likely the dog will get in a fight with the puppy or vice versa.
This has to do with pecking order (the alpha male). The dog needs to express his dominance over the puppy. To let the puppy know that he is the alpha dog. This is more than likely what happened between your dog and daughter. And the fact that your dog is use to been number one. They say when you have a child and a pet that it is very important to show the pet more attention then you usually do to overcome jealousy. The bad thing is that you did not discipline the dog at the time of the incident. But hay that’s in no way your fault, you did the right thing. The only bad thing is that now the dog does not know that the behavior is bad and is prone to do it again. I don’t really know if you should get rid of the dog or not. I know how pets become members of the family. If you do decide to keep the dog, keep then separate for a while (until you daughter is healed completely). And then introduce them slowly. For example have your daughter on the right side of you and the dog on the left and have your wife on the other side of the dog. If the dog so much as looks at your daughter the wrong way smack him. You need to absolutely make sure that your dog understands that you are the Alpha dog and not to be fucked with. And get it through to him that any negative behavior toward your daughter will not be tolerated. I have trained almost all of my dogs with shock collars. They work well. Most of the times you only need to shock the dog once. The collar works by first beeping at the dog if he does not respond you shock him. If you are out walking and he starts to run and you hit the remote control the further away he gets from you the worst the shock is. I only had to shock my dog 2 times for going after my wife’s cats and know the dog gets along pretty good with the cats. I hope this helps you with your decision.
This has to do with pecking order (the alpha male). The dog needs to express his dominance over the puppy. To let the puppy know that he is the alpha dog. This is more than likely what happened between your dog and daughter. And the fact that your dog is use to been number one. They say when you have a child and a pet that it is very important to show the pet more attention then you usually do to overcome jealousy. The bad thing is that you did not discipline the dog at the time of the incident. But hay that’s in no way your fault, you did the right thing. The only bad thing is that now the dog does not know that the behavior is bad and is prone to do it again. I don’t really know if you should get rid of the dog or not. I know how pets become members of the family. If you do decide to keep the dog, keep then separate for a while (until you daughter is healed completely). And then introduce them slowly. For example have your daughter on the right side of you and the dog on the left and have your wife on the other side of the dog. If the dog so much as looks at your daughter the wrong way smack him. You need to absolutely make sure that your dog understands that you are the Alpha dog and not to be fucked with. And get it through to him that any negative behavior toward your daughter will not be tolerated. I have trained almost all of my dogs with shock collars. They work well. Most of the times you only need to shock the dog once. The collar works by first beeping at the dog if he does not respond you shock him. If you are out walking and he starts to run and you hit the remote control the further away he gets from you the worst the shock is. I only had to shock my dog 2 times for going after my wife’s cats and know the dog gets along pretty good with the cats. I hope this helps you with your decision.
MynameisnotDeja
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When did I say I didnt respect your view?
getreal
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Just FYI only. You are not the only one who has to deal with issues like these.
Its more closer to home than we may think
getreal said:Just FYI only. You are not the only one who has to deal with issues like these.
Its more closer to home than we may think
getreal....your quote did not state the original poster...please verify who's quote this is.....
i am really trying to keep up with all these post. really, i am.
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ChemicalOne
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I love my pet...and i'm not a dog person. Have a cat. also, have no children.
So in other words...my opinion may not count for shit.
me.....put it down. Thats your child. Bit in the damn skull, lucky to be alive. Thats all i think needs to be said.
Sucks...i know. But if Sasha(my cat) had that capacity.....and that history....and i had a child(and had to consider other peoples children) its a no-brainer. life sucks. shit hurts. but you do what u gotta.
sorry but thats how it is. my $.02.
So in other words...my opinion may not count for shit.
me.....put it down. Thats your child. Bit in the damn skull, lucky to be alive. Thats all i think needs to be said.
Sucks...i know. But if Sasha(my cat) had that capacity.....and that history....and i had a child(and had to consider other peoples children) its a no-brainer. life sucks. shit hurts. but you do what u gotta.
sorry but thats how it is. my $.02.