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[Mega] Anxiety and Paranoia Help / Discussion Thread

and for the brother thing, yeah, ive wanted to hit him tons of times, but usually im a verbal/scare tactic user against him just to get him to shut up, i had no feeling whatsoever, i just got up, drilled him one, and walked off, and couldnt care less.
i was really ashamed of myself, hes a small kid, hes an angry spoiled brat, but he doesnt deserve what i did.
 
i was disgusted too. trust me.
my buddys okay though :)


I mean, I wasn't trying to talk shit. People have dark thoughts all the time. The trick to remaining civilized is realizing them for what they are and resisting/eliminating them without acting on them.

But yeah, if you had said you actually acted that thought out my views would be much different.


Hitting your brother doesn't faze me too much. My brother (4 years older than me) used to beat the fuck out of me up until he graduated high school and went to college. It sucked and made me hate him, but it also made me... strong enough?.... to be able to handle all the bullshit I had to deal with growing up. Pros and cons, I guess.
 
no no i get that, but... im not usually like that.
like it was just terrifyingly out of character to think of something like that.
i felt like it wasnt me. i had to put my cat down and just walk away to ponder that thought

dont get me wrong though, i do have dark thoughts frequently, but usually they're in a vindictive nature, not senseless malevolence.
 
Those antidepressants can really fuck with a person's head. I see why you might not want to try pharmaceuticals again, but, in my experience, benzodiazepines have a wholly different effect on my mindset than SSRIs do. Just something to explore if your anxiety ever becomes crippling during a particularly bad episode. I know I tend to do really stupid shit immediately after a panic attack if I don't get a Xanax or a Valium in me. The anxiety subsides and turns to anger, the anger turns to violence, the violence turns to exhaustion, I turn to drugs and then pass out. In between those steps a lot of fucked things can go down, but if I've got my script on hand it's only a few minutes before everything's better than I was before going crazy for a li'l bit.
 
oh dear god benzos are life savers for emergency anxiety situations.
the only problem is i dont wanna depend on them, let alone become addicted.

the two main benzos i use are
clonazepam and etizolam,
etizolam is great for functional anxiety control,
clonazepam is basically for when im restless, stressed, or panicky
and if ive proven anything by this thread, is that i have many occasions to use them for.
 
and if ive proven anything by this thread, is that i have many occasions to use them for.



Lol, I hear you on that. The most addicting aspect of them for me is that they make me feel great, like nothing in the world could go wrong because I'm so fucking awesome that I can handle any problem that might come my way and turn it into a positive. That's a good feeling, but dangerous. As a friend of mine likes to say, you could be in a burning house while on Xanax, look at the fire and think you totally have another 15min of chill time before you should start thinking about gettin' the fuck.... and I agree with him 100%.
 
oh dear god benzos are life savers for emergency anxiety situations.
the only problem is i dont wanna depend on them, let alone become addicted.

the two main benzos i use are
clonazepam and etizolam,
etizolam is great for functional anxiety control,
clonazepam is basically for when im restless, stressed, or panicky
and if ive proven anything by this thread, is that i have many occasions to use them for.

So I am confused. You never had any issues with anxiety or anything before the day you smoked that weed in the bong after your short break which induced the panic attack?

And because of that day you now need benzos on a regular basis to deal with your anxiety?
 
So I am confused. You never had any issues with anxiety or anything before the day you smoked that weed in the bong after your short break which induced the panic attack?

And because of that day you now need benzos on a regular basis to deal with your anxiety?

I can't find where he said he never had an anxiety problem beforehand. In fact, considering himself to have "hypochondriacal tendencies" indicates to me that anxiety already played a large role in his life prior to the weed-induced panic attack.



But I am high, though, and I've already missed shit in this thread so I might be confused.
 
This is totally normal, it was not laced weed. Sometimes you are even having a good day and you will light up a fat bowl with your buddies then, boom panic attack from hell. Most stoners i think have gone through it, it's a real bitch. I use to go through these a lot, back when i was rolling. The way i dealt with it was to either smoke less in a session or raise your tolerance so you don't get as high anymore. Now a days i don't smoke every day but when i smoke i make sure to just smoke a little.
 
I can't find where he said he never had an anxiety problem beforehand. In fact, considering himself to have "hypochondriacal tendencies" indicates to me that anxiety already played a large role in his life prior to the weed-induced panic attack.



But I am high, though, and I've already missed shit in this thread so I might be confused.

Well the title of this thread is "marijuana induced my disorder" then the first line of his post asked if anyone has ever heard of weed triggering an anxiety disorder. So it seems to me like he thinks that weed is the reason he has this disorder. That is why I am asking if he ever had anxiety issues before, because although weed can def trigger panic attacks for those who have anxiety issues already, I have never heard of anyone having a reaction like he discribed who up until then was totally chill and normal.

I just think it is worth clarifying that cannabis may not have caused his disorder, but is just a huge antagonist of his disordered symptoms.
 
Well the title of this thread is "marijuana induced my disorder" then the first line of his post asked if anyone has ever heard of weed triggering an anxiety disorder. So it seems to me like he thinks that weed is the reason he has this disorder. That is why I am asking if he ever had anxiety issues before, because although weed can def trigger panic attacks for those who have anxiety issues already, I have never heard of anyone having a reaction like he discribed who up until then was totally chill and normal.



Ahh... Yeah, I guess the implication is there, I just overlooked it.




I just think it is worth clarifying that cannabis may not have caused his disorder, but is just a huge antagonist of his disordered symptoms.


That's pretty much how I took it all too.
 
Your story seems to be the opposite of most people but have fun man!
Usually when people start off smoking, they feel the most euphoric pleasurable high with not a care in the world. And it stays like that for a while, but as they keep smoking and abuse it it becomes a negative high full of anxiety.
My advice to you is, i know you love it to hell right now but really try and take a few breaks in between. Trust me it isn't the best feeling waking up to a bowl, and having every day revolve around weed. It ends up ruining the high.
 
It's all in your head. It was just weed man, not a stronger psychedelic that can take you to unknown grounds where your thoughts are shaped differently and you have trouble handling them. You could've taken control of it during the experience at anytime.

You simply way over-reacted and if you can realize and accept that you could start taking some steps towards conditioning yourself to use the substance again without trouble.

Everyone knows weed is safe, you're not gonna die from it no matter how bad the trip was or how fast you thought your heart was racing. What normal people do is shrug it off as a bad time that's part of life and move on, wait a few days if you want then toke again. What you don't do is allow yourself to rationalize the shitty time into a life changing experience that'll give you never ending anxiety for life, that's a joke, really.

Amiltryptaline is a sweet (tricyclic) ssri. It helps the first morning after, it helps with spooky pseudo pains, it helps my paranoia and anxiety (some doctors think I'm a schizophrenic?). I think it makes me less violent.

also, fantasizing about killing animals is kinda common. It happens to everyone in pretty sure.

I don't think ssri made you hurt your brother. That was you.

so after a year sober from weed i don't get panic attacks. But weed is forever a poison. That's some peoples luck.


No, it doesn't happen to everyone. You're a sick and disgusting individual if that happens to you and if you actually believe it happens to other functional human beings. You should probably get professional help about it before this develops into a bigger problem, if it hasn't already.
 
If you think weed lacks the ability to trigger latent mental problems (which includes generalized anxiety disorder) then I think you might want to refrain from calling a "joke" what other people perceive as a genuine problem. That's kind of like the pot calling the kettle black.
 
Sounds like Bipolar II or Bipolar NOS. Try a mood stabilizer like oxcarbazepine, ESPECIALLY if you ever go on SSRIs. Generally those side effects you were talking about, the disturbing ones, will only happen on SSRIs if you have an underlying cell membrane stability issue.


(source: I'm a graduate level psychology student, who is Bipolar II and thought I had GAD, which was triggered by some nasty cannabis-induced panic attacks [on MDMA and cocaine simultaneously though] until I tried a mood stabilizer + lexapro{lexapro by itself made me crazy as shit})
 
yeah cannabis definitely worsened my already bad anxiety. I had to quit for a while because of it. One great trick i found is that the shittier the weed i smoke the less paranoid/anxious i get. I can get insanely high quality weed here but one or two hits and i cough like hell and then become super anxious but i can also get some cheaper stuff that isn't nearly as high quality and i can smoke it all night without any anxiety. Different strains for different people.
 
Prolonged cannabis use can cause latent psychiatric symptoms to present themselves more acutely. I had a similar problem when I was a heavy user but with not quite as bad of a reaction as yours. I was able to counteract it by smoking a lot less as has been suggested. Abruptly stopping anything that has been a large part of your life can increase your anxiety temporarily so weaning your self off may be an easier approach. Smoking less in one session and switching to a strain with a higher CBD content can help to. Overall though like it's been said you should take a break even if you have to work your way down at first, then after a month or so of not smoking if you find any of your symptoms persisting go see a doctor... good luck.

This is a very great reply! Listen to this person, because this is a VERY VERY VERY COMMON issue. Like seriously. And how this dude put it is perfect, weed can totally bring out any latent psychological issues you might have and can make them seem worse. But if you are someone who suddenly gets a panic attack from getting high, 9 times out of 10 it is because you already had mild anxiety issues or were going to get them anyways.

Merging this with the paranoia/anxiety mega thread
 
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