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^ It is a goal -- it fits the definition of the word "goal". That says nothing about the meditation process, which as I said, cannot be a conscious acknowledgement of the idea. We are in agreement, I believe...
 
TheAppleCore said:
^ It is a goal -- it fits the definition of the word "goal". That says nothing about the meditation process, which as I said, cannot be a conscious acknowledgement of the idea. We are in agreement, I believe...
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Goal
1.
the result or achievement toward which effort is directed

Making an effort to be is missing the point entirely.
 
^ You're telling me that meditation doesn't require any effort?

I might as well crawl into bed and take a nap. That doesn't require effort.


Meditation requires effortful focus. At least it certainly does for me. If I simply give up and let myself "be", my mind will inevitably begin to wander.
 
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^ so i guess maybe your "goal" would be the achievement of deeper levels of awareness through realizing purer states of being.. but being already is. i know it might seem like we're splitting hairs but its important to understand that being already is and you already are.. so its not really something you can achieve. goals and concepts, while useful to the mind, only add more layers to being and serve to obscure it.. i think of meditation as more of an act of negation.

i dunno. ill be interested to see what Changed has to say about it.. ;)
 
There isn't really much more to say with words. Describing how to be is like describing how the wind blows or your breath breaths.
 
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^ so i guess maybe your "goal" would be the achievement of deeper levels of awareness through realizing purer states of being..
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Yes, that's one way of describing my goal. Here, I'm using "goal" in the sense that Wiktionary defines, which does not necessitate effort (depending on your definition of that):

"1. A result that one is attempting to achieve."

Here the result is "being". The attempt is meditation.

but being already is.
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If being already is, meditation does not serve the purpose of achieving being. It must have some other effect, otherwise it would be purposeless. This effect, whatever it may be, is simply what I call the "goal".
 
TheAppleCore said:
Yes, that's one way of describing my goal. Here, I'm using "goal" in the sense that Wiktionary defines, which does not necessitate effort (depending on your definition of that):

"1. A result that one is attempting to achieve."

Here the result is "being". The attempt is meditation.



If being already is, meditation does not serve the purpose of achieving being. It must have some other effect, otherwise it would be purposeless. This effect, whatever it may be, is simply what I call the "goal".
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If I may (as still a newbie) offer an addition, we're all wandering minds with no clear purpose. We tend to live the fast paced life in this day and age and never really have time to enjoy life, "smelling the flowers" so to speak. I think most people never even fully live, not even for one day. What is meant by "being" (imo) is really noticing things and realizing the connectiveness of everything here. And how we are a part of this big picture.
 
^ Yeah, I actually agree.

To me, "being" is almost the culmination of all states of mind that came before it -- rather than mental energy being directed toward actualizing being in the future (making decisions and taking actions necessary to protect welfare of self and others, so that they may continue to "be", i.e. hectic daily life), mental energy is directed toward the final step necessary for being now.

It's a pure state of mind, free from any distractions, and a realization of a human energy that is interwoven with the universe at a very deep and fundamental level, in my belief. Note that one can also facilitate very powerful states of being via music.


My own interpretation of being actually came from a single, profoundly influential LSD trip that I had when I was 15. And strangely enough, that's exactly what I called it, the instant I recognized it!
 
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TheAppleCore said:
^ Yeah, I actually agree.

To me, "being" is almost the culmination of all states of mind that came before it -- rather than mental energy being directed toward actualizing being in the future (making decisions and taking actions necessary to protect welfare of self and others, so that they may continue to "be", i.e. hectic daily life), mental energy is directed toward the final step necessary for being now.

It's a pure state of mind, free from any distractions, and a realization of a human energy that is interwoven with the universe at a very deep and fundamental level, in my belief. Note that one can also facilitate very powerful states of being via music.
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I like your definition
 
Various events in my life -- including coming across this thread -- have inspired me to become much more serious about meditation than I have been lately. Attempting to do so made me realize that the space in which I live is very noisy ALL the time. This might be a silly question, but does anybody have any suggestions as to finding a quiet place in which I can meditate without the distractions of music / loud voices / etc.?
 
^ I've found it's easier to plan things around when it's quiet than to try and avoid the noise. Meaning I'll get up at 6 AM when I know it'll be quiet instead of hoping for quietness at 6 PM, you know?
 
TheAppleCore said:
^ Yeah, I actually agree.

To me, "being" is almost the culmination of all states of mind that came before it -- rather than mental energy being directed toward actualizing being in the future (making decisions and taking actions necessary to protect welfare of self and others, so that they may continue to "be", i.e. hectic daily life), mental energy is directed toward the final step necessary for being now.

It's a pure state of mind, free from any distractions, and a realization of a human energy that is interwoven with the universe at a very deep and fundamental level, in my belief. Note that one can also facilitate very powerful states of being via music.


My own interpretation of being actually came from a single, profoundly influential LSD trip that I had when I was 15. And strangely enough, that's exactly what I called it, the instant I recognized it!
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u know exactly what it is, but the only way to attain it is to admit you may be wrong
 
@addictivepersona: That's definitely what I try to do. For various reasons, however, my living space is actually pretty much noisy and distracting 24/7 (I live around lots of musicians, with very erratic routines / sleep schedules). I almost always end up meditating out in the woods, but lately it's been pouring rain constantly, so that's not an option.



@KamMoye: Interesting perspective. I can see where you're coming from.
 
TheAppleCore said:
@addictivepersona: That's definitely what I try to do. For various reasons, however, my living space is actually pretty much noisy and distracting 24/7 (I live around lots of musicians, with very erratic routines / sleep schedules). I almost always end up meditating out in the woods, but lately it's been pouring rain constantly, so that's not an option.
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What about using noise-canceling headphones with unobtrusive music/noise? Or if you can find a somewhat quiet place, using a fan to create "white noise"?
 
when there's a will there's a way

i am a huge believer in the universe. my fave quote:

"When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you achieve it."
 
^^ regarding the noise discussion, i have this problem also sharing a house, i swear people know im meditating and decide to open and close every door in the house.
occasionally ill listen to deep medition music through my laptop and this helps me personally mask out the out side instant noises, when i enter my state of meditation i usually block out the rest of the tunes that are playing but they are just there,.
 
there may be local meditation groups around you that get together in churches, etc... that provide a quiet, group atmosphere, etc...
 
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