Mechanisms of Hallucination. Simpified

[MagickalKat777]

What else is she on? SRI? The antipsychotic doesn't accumulate in your brain otherwise she wouldn't be alive. I'd have to know all the facts to speculate on what is going on.

Nothing. At my request (because they were making her homicidal) she stopped all her meds - ironically besides "seeing asians" (which didn't scare her at all, its just what she felt when she tripped and she has no problem with any race) she had a fantastic time. Normally I would never give mescaline, let alone 2C-T-7, to a psychedelic newbie but the first one we were both having a blast and figured out the secret to the universe (trip report forthcoming), the second she took care of me while I kept falling out of consciousness (I'm extraordinarily sensitive to T-7) but she barely got anything from the trip. We both had used the same drugs (alcohol, mescaline, 2C-T-7) on exactly the same day the only difference was dosage (she took more than I did of T-7 and less on mescaline) and the fact that I take 10mg of Valium 2x daily but that should have slowed my trips DOWN not sped them up... I've taken much higher doses of mescaline and not had a trip like that... this was my second (and probably LAST) time taking T-7. I will say this though, for all the flack its given, T-7 was a LOT less harsh on the body than mescaline was. We both had upset stomachs with T-7 but no vomiting and with mescaline, she would eat something and I would vomit it up (figure that one out)...

Anyway, just curious...

 

[basement_shaman]

Do you really feel comfortable acting as a psychiatrist, telling her what meds to take and not to take? In my opinion she should follow her doctor's orders, and if her medication is giving her unbearable side effects like you describe, and the doctor still chooses to keep her on them, she should find a new doctor that takes her seriously.

 

[airsh0w]

Nothing. At my request (because they were making her homicidal) she stopped all her meds - ironically besides "seeing asians" (which didn't scare her at all, its just what she felt when she tripped and she has no problem with any race) she had a fantastic time. Normally I would never give mescaline, let alone 2C-T-7, to a psychedelic newbie but the first one we were both having a blast and figured out the secret to the universe (trip report forthcoming), the second she took care of me while I kept falling out of consciousness (I'm extraordinarily sensitive to T-7) but she barely got anything from the trip. We both had used the same drugs (alcohol, mescaline, 2C-T-7) on exactly the same day the only difference was dosage (she took more than I did of T-7 and less on mescaline) and the fact that I take 10mg of Valium 2x daily but that should have slowed my trips DOWN not sped them up... I've taken much higher doses of mescaline and not had a trip like that... this was my second (and probably LAST) time taking T-7. I will say this though, for all the flack its given, T-7 was a LOT less harsh on the body than mescaline was. We both had upset stomachs with T-7 but no vomiting and with mescaline, she would eat something and I would vomit it up (figure that one out)...

Anyway, just curious...

Peoples brains have idiosyncratic neural differences and she might of had some structural alterations from her meds.

Do you really feel comfortable acting as a psychiatrist, telling her what meds to take and not to take? In my opinion she should follow her doctor's orders, and if her medication is giving her unbearable side effects like you describe, and the doctor still chooses to keep her on them, she should find a new doctor that takes her seriously.

Any decent well reasoned human being who spends a lot of time with someone is more qualified to tell them what is best for them then a 30min appointment with some pill pusher. Psychiatrists are close to worthless.

 

[negrogesic]

It may not be entirely prudent to give drugs such as 2C-T-7 to individuals with a history of psychosis (although in theory, the use of 2C-T-7 is rarely 'prudent' in any circumstance). If an individual has been treated with antipsychotics for 17 years, one would assume that within that time period, their use was warranted. The occurrence of SI/HI in patients being treated with antipsychotics is generally cause to increase dose, change med, or adj Tx, etc. Just don't be a homo.......(that is to say, don't be the 'homo' in homocide).

Now as to the topic of this thread; While I have seen/heard some bizarre things through my trials with all manners of psychedelics, I found that many of these paled in comparison to the spectacular visual 'hallucinations' caused by acute heroin withdrawal ('cold turkey'). Obviously, by 'spectacular' I am describing the magnitude/depth of the hallucination (again, with an emphasis on the visual), and not the 'character', which needless to say, is unpleasant. While in some respects similar to a delirium seen in antichol-poisonings, the acute heroin withdrawal was somewhat unique in a few ways:

1. No coinciding amnesia of the experience
2. Partial ability to recognize the hallucinations as 'not really there', yet an inability to escape (seen also in BZD withdrawal to a lesser degree)
3. Dramatic nature; vision-like, but not 'dreamy'
4. Rather unresponsive to termination using antipsychotics or BZDs
5. (Purely anecdotal and NEVER recommended); Exacerbated by IM Ketamine, slightly and briefly interrupted with IV Ketamine
6. Never IV ketamine

 

[airsh0w]

I'm not entirely convinced that just because someone is on or was on antipsychotics that they are at a higher risk for bad trip. Even if they had some psychosis or irritability. There is no evidence for this yet this intuitiveness is spread to be the logically justified discrimination it is today. With the "crazies" being the reason drugs have a bad name. I'm bipolar and you can bet I handled shrooms, DXM, LSD, experimental drugs, meth, MDMA, etc and I had a blast and helped many people who don't care such a stigma of powerlessness or whatever. I helped many people not on meds (when I wasn't or was) get through their bad trips or who have never been on meds.

That is fascinating and likely the D2-like mediation despite what you said but its unresponsiveness to antipsychotics I would like to challenge that.

 

[negrogesic]

Bad or good trip aside, psychedelic drugs may not be suitable for a patient who has recently discussed HI....

As to acute heroin withdrawal hallucinations, I should note that when administered naloxone during high-dose methadone dependency, I experienced no visual or auditory disturbances, but there may be a rather obvious explanation for this absence......