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MDPV vs Mephedrone vs Flephedrone?

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I did a google search for those words and nothing specific came up....and I know it checks these forums too. Maybe I missed one?


Chems in general seem a little sketch....I think I would be more interested in natural Khat, though I believe it is illegal in the US now....What crap. Does it grow here?


Anyway, how would you compare these three?
 
Mephedrone, MDPV and Flephedrone comparison

I've always been interested in khat, its popular in the Somali communities in the UK. My friend says its way more powerful than mephedrone but from what trip reports I've read it doesn't seem to be. Perhaps there are different strains with different strengths.

MDPV is a pure stimulant, it’s quite a subtle drug and I haven't got that much experience with it as I've only had it once. I had a 10 mg dose (it's very potent, don't go above 15mg)
For me it just kept me up, made me more concentrated, a bit jittery and chattier. It's something that makes you want to constantly be busy. I got no euphoria from it or any real emotional changes so it's not my kind of drug. Too much will keep you awake for days so be careful as well as many other unpleasant effects. The comedown is often noted as being quite bad as well but personally I never got one.

Dosages generally are around: Low: 5mg Medium: 10mg High:10mg - 15mg+

Mephedrone has been a dirty secret of mine. First time I took a bomb (I think around 150mg-200mg) I got a huge rush of euphoria which caught me off guard. It did feel close to MDMA, I had eye wiggles as well as some intense gurning, I felt all full of love and happiness, greater music appreciation and wanting to dance. These were some of the positive effects for me.

However the main drawback for me is the length of the euphoria, at best an oral dosage will last 2 hours for me, you feel the need to redose to maintain the high.
Only problem is redosing is almost useless as you won't get even half of the original rush you had.
I often chase the high and just get left feeling wired on the stimulant effects’ don’t recommend going above 0.5 in a night just because it’s wasteful as well as putting you to the mercy of many unwanted side effects. Worst one I often get are sores in my mouth and often on the back of the throat if I insufflate.

The comedown isn't bad for me (but I don't get strong comedowns even from MDMA), I just feel a bit drained but soon bounce back to normalI'd have some downers prepared if you want to go to sleep at a regular time on this as I've had many a sleepless nights due to meph.
I would recommend using oral as your ROA, I'm quite certain that mephedrone is corrosive so it often leaves you with a bloody dry nose the day after when using the nasal route. Oral is the safest ROA and has lass reported side effects.
I find oral produces a stronger effect that lasts longer than nasal as well. I’ve never tried rectal or IV.

Oral dosages generally are around: Low: 50mg -100 mg Medium: 100 mg - 175 mg High: 200mg- 250mg +

After months of use (and abuse) I never recreated my first few experiences. I'm on a break on it now and I don't intend to go back for a while. I’ve stocked up on a lot of mephedrone though and hope that my tolerance will have gone if I ever decide to touch it again.
Finally, Flephedrone is often described to be like mephedrone but the effects lighter and I've heard it is easier on the body. I've never tried it so I can’t say too much. Personally I saw it as just another thing for RC companies to flog by changing a tiny bit of the molecule. If you’re interested you could check out the Flephedrone bluelight megathread.

My personal favourite out of what I’ve tried is mephedrone, however you need to respect it and know when to call it quits. It’s easy to fall into daily use yet still not even remotely think that you may have a problem. Furthermore there are various concerns regarding it being cardiotoxic and neurotoxic. Most frightening thing is it could possibly damage the heart.

Remember that these are all new chemicals with no or very little reseach. The long term effects are unknown and new nasty short term effects are being uncovered by users daily. If you decide to use them be safe, take appropiate vitamins in order to reduce the chance of side effects and stress you are causing your body.

Sorry for the long winded answer, I got carried away.
I hope this helps.
 
Thank you for the informative post....and dont worry about giving too much useful information. Its needed. Thanks.



So Flephedrone might be less toxic? Does it also produce less anxiety?
 
MDPV vs the other two is like a honda civic vs a F1 car.

okay, well I find PV has much stronger euphoria, longer effect duration and less body load then the other two. also the mg potency is so high compared to them that $$ wise it goes way longer.

PV is just a straight stim however, think aphetamine or cocaine like effects.

meph flev are mildy empathogenic. depents on your preference.
 
I'd assume that it produced less anxiety due to not being as intense and on another forum I read mentioned that generally there is far less anxiety and not as harsh come down on 4-FMC/3-FMC. Both 4-FMC and 3-FMC are sold as flephedrone. This may explain the difference of effects being reported. Some people get mild euphoria while other are just stimulated sort of like amphetamine. I don't know the differences between the two, they are probably very small.

Flephedrones dosage seems to be similar to mephedrone. I wouldn't go over a 200mg bomb to be safe. On how toxic fleph is again I have no idea and can’t make any guesses. There are mixes of people who get some nasty side effects and others who are fine.

Personally I'd pick mephedrone; you could always just lower your dose of mephedrone if you don't want it too intense. I believe most mephedrone side effects are the result of people binging over gram in a short time. If you take mephedrone orally and maintain control over how much you’re having you shouldn't get any severe side effects. Meph requires self control like all drugs, only problem most meph users have no control (I was one of them).
I've never got that much anxiety on mephedrone (only weed can induce anxiety on me) but I rarely suffer from anxiety.

Perhaps the best way is for you to try both.
Sorry the long post again. Never taking speed and posting on the internet again, I get obsessed and carried away. It keeps busy through the sleepless night though.:D
 
Are MDPV OR mephedrone piperazines? Because I am planning on buying some MDPV, and I've had pipes in supposedly MDMA tabs before, that were all piperazines, and put me in 24-hour hell!

So before I spend my money, which one is best, and what doses are required for each?
 
Hi

Is there anyway that Flephedrone, MDAI or Methiopropamine can be purchased legally in New Zealand? The quality of 'street' drugs available here is extremely poor, so we're seeking alternatives
 
MDPV.....bump...wow I feel amazing.....24 hours later....I am a stimulated mess talking to the wall.

Flephedrone...line.....wow this feels kind of like drone can't wait for the comeup.....what come up?? Let down to say the least.

Mephedrone......line/bomb........DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMN I FEEL GOOD.....:)
 
meph all day everyday.

people chew khat all over somalia i believe. supposed to be fairly addictive - like a very mild amphetamine.
 
i fucked up and did a whole 0.25 of blue magic bath salt it was mdpv 250 MG FUCK U GUYS U DONT KNOW HOW HIGH I WAS I WANTED TO MOVE LIKE NO OTHER i had to to percocet 30's and i got 4 hours of sleep and woke up high all day next day
then came down for a week straight shittest research chem out there unless u like being CRACKED OUT
 
I bought a mephedrone replacement from a European website and it got through customs fine - was cleared as a non-listed substance so definitely wasn't meph but it was the exact same buzz. The stuff was quality... and I used to smash loads of meph so I know what I'm talking about ;)
 
sonix said:
i fucked up and did a whole 0.25 of blue magic bath salt it was mdpv 250 MG FUCK U GUYS U DONT KNOW HOW HIGH I WAS I WANTED TO MOVE LIKE NO OTHER i had to to percocet 30's and i got 4 hours of sleep and woke up high all day next day
then came down for a week straight shittest research chem out there unless u like being CRACKED OUT
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Sonix, it's like you said...you fucked up and did 50 times more than you should have. For those considering trying mdpv, remember...5mg to start off. Seen quite a few BL'ers do stupid things, blame the substance and declare it the shittiest ever. Pleeease. Better to put your story out there so that others can learn from your mistake...without blaming the chemical...and taking a little responsibility for what you did to yourself. That's all I got. Out.
 
EveryStar said:
Are MDPV OR mephedrone piperazines?
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Definitely not, both are substituted cathinones, as is flephedrone. However MDVP has a pharmacological profile that is nearly identical to several piperidines (not to be confused with piperazines) such as m/ethylphenidate and desoxypipradrol. It is about 4x times stronger than the former but still considerably weaker than the latter which is one of the strongest stimulants in existence, on a mg basis: 500mg lasts me a whole month of daily (ab)use despite my being stimulant tolerant. Might sound cheap but one must include the cost of downers required to deal with side effects: phenazepam, etaqualone or chloral hydrate. I recommend having those handy for MDVP as well.

To address the topic of this thread, Flephedrone is 4-FMC, the original confusion over which one of 3-FMC or 4-FMC is the official bearer of the name has dissipated since the time this thread was originally posted. This substance is now difficult to find due to bans in many countries but still easy to legally obtain in Canada (as with most RC's) but unfortunately Canadian suppliers won't ship it to the US, just like most of the serious goodies they have in stock. Unlike most other substituted cathinones Flephedrone is a straight stimulant with very little deleriant or entactogen properties, that's why most 'drones' users care little for it. But those who like stims like cocaine, amphetamines or m/ethylphenidate will appreciate it if they have no other choice, because it is quite more costly than other RC straight stims like ethylphenidate or desoxypipradrol. On the other hand, its side effects are a lot less bothersome which is the reason why many users stick with it.

MDVP also belong to this category but is now banned even in Canada due to too many incidences of fatal OD's, which is the main criteria for a ban here where authorities are otherwise rather tolerant. Like I already mentioned MDVP has very similar effects than m/ethylphenidate and their derivatives, pharmaceutical amphetamines, cocaine, and desoxypipradrol. Its toxicity was a serious problem though, at equipotent dosage side effects were more pronounced than those of other similar drugs. The very opposite of flephedrone even though both are substituted cathinones.

Mephedrone is also a substituted cathinone but ublike MDVP and Flephedrone it is not a straight stimulant because it has entactogen and deleriant properties. That is the reason why people who like MDMA like it, and why those that don't like MDMA stay away from it. Mephedrone is a party drug (like alcohol), while straight stims are performance drugs (like energy drinks).

I hope this covers it.
 
MDPV and Mephedrone are very different. Meph and Fleph are similar

MDPV will provide a nice rush when smoked or injected and then go off into a nice stimulation with litte euphoria. There will be a very stong urge to re-dose and it brings out a lot of tweaker binge like qualitys in people.

Mephedrone is like a mix between coke and MDMA, you can stay up all night doing lines of mephedrone with friends like you can with cocaine, except it has more of a empathogenic feel to it.

Flephedrone is like meph but with less euphoria
 
^This pretty much covers it. We don't really allow drug x vs. drug y vs. drug z comparison threads (and this thread was pretty ancient anyway).

So I'm going to close it - feel free to PM me if you have any questions.
 
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