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MDPV - So how dangerous is it?

Mdpv One dazy I love it one day I hate it, mdpv one week I love it and one week I hate it. I never wanted to try mdpv had no desire to after the psychosis stories I have read. I never liked coke or meth much and coke was expensive and even if I had a gram I would fall asleep in the morning. Meth which I have only done a few times varied in potency. Im sure if you're a meth smoker You know where to good shit is at but I never was.
So one night I was goin to a friends house to rolll and he had some (someone I would never expect to have either). We did a tiny oral dose maybe 5 mg and smoked it. I have only ever felt my face rush from smoking meth once maybe twice. Other than that it felt super clean. The comedown was not nearly as bad as people in this site made it out to me. The cravings though, are no joke, that's the one thing this drug is so addictive.
Now I have stayed up on stims and meth befrore. It was'nt until days 4 or 5 when I would start seeing shadow people/people out the corner of your eye. By the third evening I was having fulll blown hallucinations. Everything that was at least like 3 feet away from me had random irc text and numbers. They were also in the grass and some of the text/number would start crawling. I had never seen anything like that before

So in my opinion Mdpv could be really fun, but the psychosis and addiction potential are not worth it. Oh and I think a reason why people are always complaining of such a bad comedown. Have you ever smoked meth for days? Done a bunch of coke? Sometimes coke is so dirty not only are you coming down feeling like shit you have a massive sinus headache and your nostrils are fucked.
 
For me, the ratio between euphoric and motivating effects to anxiety and crashing is way higher than comparable stims (I left out "focus", 'cause it just doesn't enhance that for me).

It's the worst stimulant that I ever tried.

ebola
 
this shit gives me a kind of dopamine dazed feeling, and yeh no increased focus at all. I used to go on 2/3 day meth benders though not exactly healthy never was over stimmed or totally wrecked.
first night trying mdpv I turned into a useless dopafiend going from one thing to the next compulsively like washing the sink, oh litre of soap and 20l water and 20 mins later it was clean 8o8o

then my pipe had to have some residue in it so I was getting every little bit out and snorting the water/mdpv solution, fecking ridiculous and no real euphoria I seriously felt like a fucking rat in those medical trials just spastically redosing
 
After a year and some change of using off and on and now going on about 8 months straight using MDPV, I have started getting a uncomfortable tightness in my chest. I live a functional life in which I am very active in but at time lately when getting this tightness if feels as though if I strain too much somethings going to POP in my chest. I know how serverly stupid this is for asking in a post, and I do have an appointment with a heart specialist next week. But I just wanted to know if any other MDPV users have felt symptoms like this beyond just some pulpatations? I have serverally slowed down my use of course, going days without it. But it seems like whenever I try using again, by about halfway through the day, and after about an hour after my last hit, this tightness seems to flare up. Since I have been using for some time now I have never responded to it like this( haven't even been dosing as often nor as much lately) and looking up symptoms I'm finding chemical poisioning as a possibility so I'm wondering if it's a certain kind of peevee going around currently or something.

If anybody has anything to add, recommend or give advice beyond "just quit doing peevee stupid" I'd really appreciate it.
 
The probability of 8 months of consistent, high dose stimulant use is far more likely a cause of cardiovascular issues than some type of impurity. In fact, sensitization to somatic effects of stimulants is rather well documented among a large number of different stimulants.

ebola
 
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Not sure about the link between chest pain and sensitization, but certaialy a possibility. Researched possible mechanisms for stimulant induced chest pain and commonly see ischemia and endocarditis mentioned, but I know many other possibilities exist. My situation is very very similar to sighhill's...experimenting with 50mg/day for about 8 months in my case. I feel those chest pains too and it is worrisome at times. I've noticed that the pain doesn't seem to be related to, and isn't proportional to, physical exertion. So it's not angina. I can change positions, stretch out and relieve the pain/tightness by moving around. Is this similar to your experience sighhill?
 
My situation is very very similar to sighhill's...experimenting with 50mg/day for about 8 months in my case.

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Okay. It's extremely obvious that you're making yourself ill by taking high doses of stimulants too often. This is hardly an advanced cardiological question (though it could be approached as such... However, you appear to be presenting unpleasant symptoms prior to overt clinical presentation of disease...why not let yourself heal before you have a clear diagnosable disorder?).


ebola
 
I agree with you ebola?. When it first started happening I tried to think of other things it could have been but I was sure it had something to do with the peevee atleast in the back of my head because I slowed down dramatically. I still am going to the specialist next week to make sure no permanet damage has been done or if more additional health care to help heal/treat my chest issues besides just taking a break from MDPV alone.
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Not sure about the link between chest pain and sensitization, but certaialy a possibility. Researched possible mechanisms for stimulant induced chest pain and commonly see ischemia and endocarditis mentioned, but I know many other possibilities exist. My situation is very very similar to sighhill's...experimenting with 50mg/day for about 8 months in my case. I feel those chest pains too and it is worrisome at times. I've noticed that the pain doesn't seem to be related to, and isn't proportional to, physical exertion. So it's not angina. I can change positions, stretch out and relieve the pain/tightness by moving around. Is this similar to your experience sighhill?

Yes, this is exactly like the discomfort I am experiencing. The only difference is that the stretching helps relieve it momentarily but I worry about moving around too much, seems like if it's the heart, it would need rest.
There is a type of angina linked to cocaine user's that smoke cigerettes that describes the symptoms we both have mentioned. It advises to move around to assist the discomfort for this type. I somerwhat tried this today, but it seemed to preoccupy my mind rather than ease the discomfort.

Today I used no MDPV, and yesterday I had only used one dose of approx 10-15mg's before the tightness started . Today it has continued to bother me off and on and I couldn't tell any connection to my activity (possibly stressful situations)when before I put it as happening about an 1-2hours after a peevee dose. While this is not too painful, just uncomfortable, if the symptoms continue, I've been thinking about going to the ER tomorrow. IS this over reacting?
 
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Good job, no pv today is an excellent start. Try to relax, eat, sleep and take a multi-vitamin/supplements. Maybe an aspirin would be a good idea too. I take aspirin, vitamins, omega3 fish oil, resveratrol and CoQ-10 daily. I'm 40 and getting too old to ride this train anymore. Got maybe 100mg left...

If you're having symptoms today with no pv use, you might want to consider going to the ER tonight. Please go if you're having symptoms now. They'll probably tell you everything's okay. The trip will be worth it just for the peace of mind you'll get. Please let us know how you're doing, you're not in this alone man.

Picard, I mean ebola?, is right. This is a difficult substance to put down and leave alone, but it must be done. Number one.......engage.
 
I don't think the discomfort is worrisome enough to take the chance of a doctor in the er looking up into my sinus' confirming a possible suspision of stimulant use. I know how these files can get around in the medical field without approval. l have taken a low dose of d-amphetamine most of my life for adhd/add, and have been told I'm pretty untolerable to be around without it. It is the only thing that has ever worked. A mark like this would likely lessen the chance of me getting it any longer. I know that chance is better safe than sorry but my pulse is steady and normal. The few times it has happened today, a propranolol quickly relieved the tightness. I have had a somewhat stressful day due to the events following the occurance of this topic. The times it happened today is when I was alone, my mind was unoccupied and started thinking of the situation. I know it is mostly the long term use but stress and perhaps anxiety seems to have a factor in this for it started up again as soon as I started posting this.

btw, a little added information, most of the time, the tightness shifts from the center of my chest, to my upper RIGHT side of my rib cage. At times. the tightness starts there and stays there.
 
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btw, a little added information, most of the time, the tightness shifts from the center of my chest, to my upper RIGHT side of my rib cage. At times. the tightness starts there and stays there.

Could also be something unrelated , e.g. costocondritis?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costochondritis

I have this and it's fucking annoying. Best to go to your doctor and get yourself checked out though.
 
my 2 experiences with this stuff

sry this is going to be long, but a really really serious warning about mdpv especially vaped
lil preface:
so,
in my opinion mdpv is the fucking worst drug ive veer taken, i dont think im a real responsible person when it comes to drugs, have been a really really heavy cannabis smoker for years got depressions, cut myself, made a therapy and felt quite well afterwards although my arms, legs and my torso look quite fucked, but fuck it, never wanted to be mr universe and women ive been with didn't really care
so then there was this party where i took speed for the first time(thought i was way over the cannabis abuse and was drunk like shit) and it was real fun, real real fun.
so i went to techno partys doing wild stuff and speed there (got my first 3some but sadly couldn't get it hard because of the speed i took ;) [my second went the same way :)] ).
then i somehow, how really i dont know heard about this research chemical scene what was really appearing to my because why should i spend so much money on crappy speed when i could get even better stuff from the Internet for less money.
so then i had a few problems with the our beloved meph(still love this stuff but i think im now gonna keep in my cellar for a really really long time until i maybe will be able to handle any kind of drug).
and now the story begins, ive ordered 30g´s of methylone from some chinese vendor(arent the most vendors and labs in china) and got a nice 1 g sample of mdpv(white)with it, months before that i had allready ordered 1.5g bahhy(tan,brown) and had nearly forgotten about that.

so i went as usual to my roommate room with a grin on my face and asked if he wants to do some hard stuff and as usual he agreed, so we both weighted out about 20 mg´s split it in 2 lines and everyone of us took one of it (talking about the white pv now) and it didnt really does is for us so i decided that we could also smoke it, that ive read the rush would be much better and so on.
so i think we both took about 3~5mgs of it and chased it from a foil and it was AMAZING, never felt better exept for the upcome from bombing meph and snorting a good line afterwards or (what i once had a methylone roll), but this , this was somehow even better it was fucking good.
so we play alot of world of warcraft when we do drugs, fine combination for the both of us, so we started doing this.
and this is where the shit started, me and him felt the irresistible urge to re dose, i think that must have been about 5-10 mg every 20 to 30 mins(i dont really remember the time get blurry)
after about 20 hr he said he hes feeling tired and wanted to go to bed, so this was my chance tp check out how good masturbating feels with this stuff, and wow!
it was good i think i was watching fatty porm(which i usually dont like) but i was turned on the fucking hell, so i vaped every 10,20 or 30 mins and whacked my poor mostly limp penis for about, uhm i think 20 hrs or so 8o
i think at some point i found the idea of giving the whole thing a nice serotogenic head space pretty appareling so i also took methylone to that from doses about 10 to 300 mg(overall maybe 600/700mg!!)
downloading porn and masturbating i suddenly noticed i had an appointment with my gf (that also does drugs sometimes but always in a "controlled" manner).
so the rest of the pv was gone anyway, i think i must have been taking about 800(!!!!!)mg over a timespan of 3 days(not to mention that i nearly drank nor anything i this time because i just forgot)

so i tryed to smoke some methylone and 4fa which of course didnt work and ran to the trash can to get the leftover tinfoil to seek for any residue there..
(hadnt expected to be one who searches trash cans for residues of drugs...never ever but the urge where so big that i NEEDED to do this, ive even double and triple checked the foils)

ah yeah i think ive smoked d2pm too, dunno how much and often because i expected a similar rush sensation...have throne the rest in the trash can but also fised it out after a few mins :|
3 or i think it was 5 mg of liquid phenaz got me a good sleep
the next day i had these here on my feet

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the day after that working was"okey", im a cook, stressful job u need to give 100% or ur just fucked but it went surprisingly good(little slow tough)

but that sadly issnt the end of the story(if u dont want to read is then just don't the message "mdpv is fucking dangerous" continues)

about a week ago i got into my stash which i keep for safty reasons and the agreement at my girlfriend and took the 1.5g brown pv baggy without even telling her(she was in the garden with her cat or something.
so i pretended i need some time alone, not feeling well blabla just to get home as fastest possible.

as soon as i got there i got the foil bought 2 lighters and started downloading porn, i think this time it was shemale porn oO, something that also woudnt attract me and started beeing interrupted by my roommate that wants to do drugs and play wow with me but i jus wanted to whack my penis bloody and smoke the pv, so to shorten this up, also in this 50 or 60 hr i nearly drank nothing didn't eat, pissed about 3(!) times and got fucking nasty looking bloodshed eyes, again i added methylone because it somehow made me hornier(but also softer, what was good because i could do more and more and more and more).

this also went on for about 4 days even with one single vaporized amount of about 40mg(!) that caused quite a chest pain until i suddenly realized that i had to work in about 16 hrs.(by the way i also still have the chest pains)

then it got even nastier , ive read that phenazepam also "could" be smoked (could shouldn't mean shout!!!), so i started dosing phenaz oraly in ranges form 1 to 5 mg orally and as i noticed there were no effect that could get me to sleep i decided to smoke tiny amounts(starting with a few clumps going up to min 5 mg doses because i was so desperate to come to work tomorrow with bloodshot eyes pale skin and the look that ive been up for 3 weeks(it was actually 4 days but i think i mst have looked like this 3 week).
so all in all i must have taken about 1g mdpv oer the time took 800mg methylone and, phew i don't know (luckily i dont have the benzo amnesia most people get about 300 mg oral phenaz and ~200mg vaped and also about 300 mg d2pm.... in this session of 4,5(?) days.
th rest of the pv went in the toilet(300mg[sry guys,hurts toread that when u love a drug] and i even washed out the baggy because ive read that pv quickly loses its potency in water, i threw away all the foils(of course i recovered them to check if there is still something in there, but it wasnt, i must have done this before and went on with some of the d2pm and took a good dose of 400 mgs methylone about 4 hr before my gf would check on my (actually i got a call from my boss why im not at work my handy was next to my head and it is REALLY loud so she came to see me, we work in the same kitchen).
so that must have been on Tuesday on Wednesday i called at work was depressed as fuck and nearly crying(i rarely cry, maybe when my granny dies), haven't been crying for about 2 years or so that i wound be able to cry telling them that i took sleeping pills and that im not feeling well,
then today i met with my 2 chefs explaining them my story and they told me that its okey to make a fault and that the still want me to work there, i got the things with my gf also settled up again because she told me after the first encounter like this there wont be one more for her, so thats the good part.
my resting pulse is still at 95-120, still having the tight chest sensation, im still running into lamps, cant controll my coordination being confused(think this is rather the rest of the phenaz in my system) and fucking tired, with this 2 times i took that stuff i lost about 15kg(was about 95 before, so thats not a think im unhappy about)
tomorrow i will try to get an appointment with a cardiologist to see if there has been permanent damage done to my heart, i will report later on this.

so this SHOULD not to read as something what is possible, when we were living in a just world i just would have lost my girlfriend my job and of would be dead!
i got really really lucky
so please ppl don't smoke this stuff not only because there are lots of toxic byproducts (haven't read the whole thread, just wanted to contribute my story to this).
I don't know how i would react on crack or heroin, but thats 2 things on my personal not-to-do-list but i think
ah, yeah thi also could be a trip report, but i think its really important what dangers this stuff carries with it and i thought that this could be the right threat for that

ps, as my gf sleeps right behind me i just want to order more of this horrordrug,
mephedrone fiending and addiction is in my opinion a piece of cake against that
ah and if anyone says it, i said it before: im a fucking moron

ah, also forgot the cats running around in the corner of my eyes when i was high ;)
2cond editing: yes i have a mg scale, but this stuff made me just not care for it :l
ah yeah yesterday i deleted about 100gb downloaded porn from my pc
 
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I think you are really really dangerous for yourself, it's not really the PV. You're not alone, you've got a girlfriend, you can tell her before a session, choose an amount to take and put the rest far away, etc...

Did you have an stim habit before? I don't have much cravings for smoking PV (want more for sure but less than mephedrone). I think that if you abused stims before you have far more risks to end stick to your PC with your semen with a empty 10g MDPV bag next to you^^
 
had some binges on mmc, but they developed side effects like bad headaces, fragitude and overall the enjoyment left.
the idea with the girlfriend was already there, thats because the 1.5g tan mdpv were at her place.
i think the hypersexualisation plus the rush did this, i dont want to imagine what crack would do to me.
i totally agree that there may be ppl that can handle any kind of drug, but i rate mdpv vaped hardcore

a and yes ive mentioned im having a self destructive behavior, cutting yourself with a knife and vape a gram of pv is somehow a form of self inflicted violence
 
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Just thought I'd publizcize my observed effects from 4-5 days a week of MDPV use for the last 3 months.

I'd would use the following ROA's: Most used, 1. Foil/knife 2. IV 3. Sublingual 4. Oral

The most annoying side effect to me is the effect on my vision, thinking I'm seeing shadow people or little movements that are not real. I also had lower back/kidney pain which subsided after 2-3 weeks of use. Muscle aches are somewhat common and are easily subsided with a good protien shake or bar. Insomnia is obviously a side effect. I at worst go 60 hours no sleep.

I suprisingly can eat no problem on MDPV and even get hungary and I also eat very healthy on MDPV. I'm always making sure I eat plenty of protien, Fats, and carbs. I take 2 multivitamins daily and drink quite a bit of water at work. I drink a muscle milk every morning and that seems to help ALOT with stopping muscle loss! I've acutally become more cut since my use has began due to me making sure my body has plenty of fuel for how hard MDPV+physical exertion is making my body work.

A healthy diet seems to be the most helpful advice i could reccomend to a semi-daily MDPV user.
 
I think you are really really dangerous for yourself, it's not really the PV. You're not alone, you've got a girlfriend, you can tell her before a session, choose an amount to take and put the rest far away, etc...

Did you have an stim habit before? I don't have much cravings for smoking PV (want more for sure but less than mephedrone). I think that if you abused stims before you have far more risks to end stick to your PC with your semen with a empty 10g MDPV bag next to you^^

I found myself take far more than I previously planned hehe. Craving isn't powerfull, but when your bag is around, erf, much more complicated than I thought at the beginin :\ (I feel that you already heard that 1000 times before me hehe^^)
 
I get back pains feels like my shoulders are on fire but that from sitting at the computer for 10 hr straight. Swim has been injecting mdpv everyday for 3 months. now, what's next. I seem to do fine on it I. Work everyday and manage to not rasie any suspicion with girlfriend or co workers they just think I am into my work. I use a bout 100mg a day try to sleep nightly so I'm average about 4-5 hr a night some nights 0 but I seem to be fine. I like the drug.
But has anyone used this drug daily few breaks for long periods?
 
ive had these brown spots too. I would really like to know wtf they are. My perhaps false theory is it is toxins from vaping mdpv?
Do people who dont vape it get the spots too?
 
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