MDPV Megathread 5: Waiting for Jesus to show up

[ektamine]

Feels like brain damage here at this point... hopefully just a few days of brain chemistry nasties, unless I really did fuck something up permanently.

Yeah, recovery is fast. Just eat, if you need to get stoned to eat then do so.

I also take L-Tyrosine regularly and Rhodiola Rhosea. Both I find helpful.

+1. MDPV has an uncanny ability (that often lingers for a few days) of making its users feel like things are much worse than they actually are. All indications thus far lead us to believe this effect is predominately psychological, that the actual changes / damage to the body & brain are negligible.

I have found, as nekointheclouds mentioned above, that taking L-Tyrosine consistently speeds up the process of clearing the 'head-fog' that often follows an MDPV binge / period of use, as well as good meals, good sleep, and good exercise. If I live healthily after an MDPV binge (which in my case are usually quite intense) I generally feel back in full by 4 - 7 days max. L-Tyrosine is a precursor involved in the process of creating dopamine, the step before L-Dopa. It helps to restore / raise dopamine levels in the brain.

Best of luck

 

[Dedbeet]

^ Don't worry, you'll be all recovered & back on it by next week!

Hope so... this is just fugly, whatever it is. Noticed I'm not moving like normal, jerking around, tapping my feet, clenching my teeth, sniffing, mumbling something to myself, wandering back and forth, etc... this is not cool. Nearly psychotic amount of scatter. Uggh.

 

[nekointheclouds]

I find that after a few days of PV, if I have not eaten or slept , I cannnot talk as well. I well start a sentance off fine, but by the end of it my speech is all a quite blah. Makes teaching fun.

But really, just making yourself eat alittle throughout the day and getting SOME sleep makes a s=huge differnce.

 

[ektamine]

Hope so... this is just fugly, whatever it is. Noticed I'm not moving like normal, jerking around, tapping my feet, clenching my teeth, sniffing, mumbling something to myself, wandering back and forth, etc... this is not cool. Vast scatter, & haven't used it for a while either.

Could you provide a few details about your experience?

How much MDPV did you consume?
Over how long a period?
How long has it been since you stopped?
Have you been getting sleep?
Have you been able to eat normally / healthily?
Exercise?

(sleep is a big one, for me)

Thanks. All I can offer you is personal experience, and anecdotal information. But speaking from personal experience, I have abused the living FUCK out of PV, its been over a month since I last indulged though. Unless your use is more abusive then mine, which I highly doubt it is, all indications I have gathered through the years suggest that if you focus on your recovery for even just a week or two, you should be absolutely OK. Of course, everyone's body and brain chemistry is unique.

All the best,
-ekt

 

[Dedbeet]

Could you provide a few details about your experience?

How much MDPV did you consume?

500mg over about 4 days.

How long has it been since you stopped?

No clue.

Have you been getting sleep?

I remember coming down & sleeping, but no clue how long.

Have you been able to eat normally / healthily?

Ate nothing over the four days.

Exercise?

Didn't move much in the four days, didn't sleep.

All things considering, maybe I'm doing better than I should be. I remember starting Monday, & it's friday... that's about all I remember.

 

[Dedbeet]

500mg over about 4 days.

P.S. I realize the amount falls into the "radical, out of control abuse" category... not excusing it. This is probably the last time I ever vape it again, if I ever do it again.

 

[ektamine]

P.S. I realize the amount falls into the "radical, out of control abuse" category...

While in the name of Harm Reduction, and probably reality () it does, you'll find that there are many seasoned pv fiends on this board that have abused it much worse, and much more frequently. Myself included.

I order by the gram, and if at any point I start to vape / I.V., which I usually do somewhere close to the beginning, I generally won't stop until the bag is empty. Generally these binges would be 2 days to a week, a night or two of sleep thrown in somewhere. I was doing this probably on average 1 week per every two weeks for the last year and had a lighter usage pattern going before that for half a year or so.

I really and truly feel like this is the only stimulant someone could use like that, and walk away with only minor problems. Of course long-term side-effects could present themselves years down the road, the jury is still out, but I somehow doubt that will be the case.

Try at the very least to just focus on a healthy recovery routine for the next week. You could consider (if its your thing) using cannabis to aid in the hunger and sleep problems. Of course this won't make your cognitive abilities recover any faster, but it shouldn't hurt either. If not, or you would rather not cloud your mind any further, maybe try some herbal remedies (melatonin, valerian root, etc) for sleep and the eating should be manageable with a little discipline. Exercise (I'd recommend cardio / aerobic) will greatly help the way you feel physically, probably aide a bit in your mood as well. If your lethargy / anxieties / fear / 'head-fog' doesn't get significantly better by the end of a week of living like this I would be seriously surprised.


Also, is this the first time (or one of the first times) that you have binged to this degree?

I have seen similar stories again and again, I think people are often caught off guard when they first experience the psychological intensity of a major MDPV binge.

 

[Dedbeet]

Starting to get a bit of grounding back, a little bit less scatter.

This felt toxic and wrong, like I was poisoned... and my kidney was hurting too, so that might have been what happened... way too much peevee, way too little fluids. Been drinking a lot of water to clear the shit out of my system.

 

[Shambles]

Bwahahahahhaa!!!! Welcome to the deadbeat klub

Owe ya a PM or two... but am somewhat less sparkly right now so will leave yer to the fun and gaymez

Powdered Zen

For real

No shitgunz required

PS: Non-Toxic... but tolerance helps a tad if yer'z hammering away at it... even over ~20mg

 

[ektamine]

I remember when I first started serious abuse of PV, I experienced minor kidney pain too. I think the first time I felt it I blew it a bit out of proportion. Oddly, this pain vanished fairly quickly, I no longer feel it at all when binging on PV. I usually get some back pain and some overall muscle soreness, but never feel those 'internal pains' in my chest & kidney like I did the first few times.

However, I think a major factor in that was those times I wasn't taking care of myself during the binges. I've since learned to force fluids (and not just water, juices and the like to help replenish), food, sleep when it will come. I also ride a bike as transportation for the time being and am often pretty active on PV, so I get intermittent cardio exercise.

Never-the-less, all these precautions and remedies don't make up for the fact that binging on powerful stimulants still isn't the right thing to do for a healthy body & mind. With a substance that appears to be relatively physically benign like MDPV, it sure helps alot though.




Glad to hear your starting to return

 

[Shambles]

^ Win. All up and down the Line

Er... I'm not sure that recommending "functional psychosis" is really in the spirit of harm reduction, is it?

As opposed to the dysfunctional form? Fuck yeah.

Seriously.

I made no recommendations...

But if I had to pick a (temporary) psychosis....

 

[Dedbeet]

Glad to hear your starting to return

There's gonna be recovery time involved... that one crossed the line, and I'm certain did some physical damage (brain, body or both). Basically ended with massive overload/system shutdown. Still *very* sketchy and weird, brain fog, toes twitching, ears ringing, involuntary vocalizing and movements, brain chemistry is probably way off.

Peace...

 

[ektamine]

There's gonna be recovery time involved... that one crossed the line, and I'm certain did some physical damage (brain, body or both). Basically ended with massive overload/system shutdown. Still *very* sketchy and weird, brain fog, toes twitching, ears ringing, involuntary vocalizing and movements, brain chemistry is probably way off.

Peace...

Yea, whenever you get the chance you may want to read through a bunch of the MDPV threads on this site. I think it will help illustrate the often blown out of proportion fears and anxieties caused by excessive use of the peev. While there is nothing wrong with accepting that you crossed the line, don't worry too much about permanent damage having occurred unless these symptoms persist for at least a few weeks.

Stimulants can really fuck with the psyche. Especially pv. It seems like people usually develop paranoia down one of two paths: the health types or the safety types. Half the people that take it will be sure they have brain damage / are having a heart attack / have ruined organs... and the other half will be sure there are people outside the window plotting vocally to kill just them but no one else can hear, of course.



Again I think its good & healthy that you are concerned regarding this episode overuse, but what I've learned is that with PV things are almost always not as the seem at the time.

 

[captain codshit]

I had no comedown off PV today & that was after 4 days on it. All sniffed & 150mg in total.

It's the not sleeping for days on end constant fiending that ruins you. Mg scales are a massive help in the taming of the beast!

 

[ektamine]

^ Win. All up and down the Line

I had no comedown off PV today & that was after 4 days on it. All sniffed & 150mg in total.

It's the not sleeping for days on end constant fiending that ruins you. Mg scales are a massive help in the taming of the beast!

A true professional

Captain, I was reading in stuffmongers thread a bit about your experience with the high purity white hcl you had been using after the tan stuff. Which would you prefer if they were the same price: The tan you had a while back, or the white hcl which you had just recently / now?

I'm trying to avoid pricey trial and error hunting of the (modern) tan unless its really worth it.

 

[DS_]

I had no comedown off PV today & that was after 4 days on it. All sniffed & 150mg in total.

It's the not sleeping for days on end constant fiending that ruins you. Mg scales are a massive help in the taming of the beast!

It's the overdosing & fending that ruins. You've gone wreck-o in 4 days before easy.

 

[captain codshit]

Yes but with no sleep & about 5 times as much pv usually

200-250mg in 5 days would not be bad I'm sure you'd agree. I've sniffed more than that over the same time period easy.

 

[sighhill]

I had no comedown off PV today & that was after 4 days on it. All sniffed & 150mg in total.

It's the not sleeping for days on end constant fiending that ruins you. Mg scales are a massive help in the taming of the beast!

Lacking sleep is the worst for me. Working many overtime hours and a PV bindge drains the fuck out of you.

I believe most of my paranoia, and the above mentioned "functional psychosis" has all been due to lack of sleep.

 

[Dedbeet]

I had no comedown off PV today & that was after 4 days on it. All sniffed & 150mg in total.

It's the not sleeping for days on end constant fiending that ruins you. Mg scales are a massive help in the taming of the beast!

Hah... so scales = self control? I guess so, if you put your faith in scales ;-).

Fwiw I finally got some sleep, all was fine, did a bit more peevee today (last of what I had). Might have more coming in on Monday as well.

P.S. thanks to Ektamine... I think most of my problem was sleep deprivation, that is more powerful than peevee. A couple solid sleeps and it seems all was fine.

 

[captain codshit]

A true professional

Captain, I was reading in stuffmongers thread a bit about your experience with the high purity white hcl you had been using after the tan stuff. Which would you prefer if they were the same price: The tan you had a while back, or the white hcl which you had just recently / now?

I'm trying to avoid pricey trial and error hunting of the (modern) tan unless its really worth it.

The tan I had wasn't the same as the tan described by the people who sampled in 06 or stuffmongers tan. It was cut or poorly synth'd PV from a Polish vendor.

The white I got recently is easily the strongest, cleanest PV I've tried. Ended up chasing yesterday & last night til the early hours of this morning. Did more in one day chasing than the previous four days insnuffulation. Started at 10mg a time & by the end was upto 30mgs, had some proper cross-eyed bellringing euphoria. No other PV has come close.

You will not source tan that is as stuffmonger & those who sampled in 06 described from anywhere atm, trust me I've tried.

I did 100mg conversion of stuffmongers foolproof method last night which is currently drying

PS: IMO it's the not sleeping & eating that ruins you. I slept for a minimum of 3hours every night & haven't had any paranoia or comedown side effects from 5 days and 400-450mg of PV. Mg scales & weighing a set amount definately helps too.