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MDPV Megathread 4 - Egosyntonics R Us

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It just dawned on me that just because your reasoning, language, sensory and motor skills and politeness and even abstract ethical theory may be intact, that doesn't mean that you haven't turned into a soulless narcissist or egocentric (in the pervasive sense where you are basically locked in your own tiny world?).

But my real fear isn't the acute drug effect; I'm not sure any more whether I had a personality more mature than a toddler's in the first place or whether MDPV is just the final straw that makes me notice the lack thereof? :(

Is there any way to tell whether you've ever felt true empathy, in contrast to "empathy" simulated by general-purpose intelligence and by (book-)learned knowledge about other people's feelings and behaviour?


Toddlers have got just the best personality - totally 2d, no pretence, no "s'fistication" - what you see is what you get and they don't have alternative motives and they aren't particularly 'learned' sneaky b'stards!!!....this is sounding like the paranoia I experienced after rather overdoing it in the late 90's- took me an age to get over it, when one day my missus finally said "stop being so self indulgent" - a light came on and I haven't stopped enjoying life since...don't worry about it, just get out there, do it and enjoy it ;)....errr, not saying that you're being self indulgent, just don't let it become too big a concern...seriously :D
 
alrighty beautiful people, i've been pondering a certain question for some time that only the EADD crew can answer: why exactly are you guys so much cooler than the cats in NADD? %)

probably best if you don't answer that :p

In other news, here's a post I've been cooking up for the past few days:

What you are about to read is a set of guidelines that I have devised in order to help myself and my fellow researchers curb their desire to excessively redose during the inevitable departure from the peak of the first dose. Before you begin reading, please note that this post is a product of my subjective relationship with peevee and how I attempt to manage it; as such, when I relate beliefs or guidelines which appear directed towards you, I can only hope that you will not take them as right or wrong—what works for me may not work for you. Thusly, I pray you leave your ego at the door in order to fully appreciate the time and effort I have put into this post. Please feel free however to pick it apart after you have read through it at least once.

So first let's talk about my brief relationship with peevee to give you perspective. My first ‘real’ dose (which is explained in detail in this thread) marked the end of a month and half hiatus from stimulants. I dosed at 2PM and found myself wide awake until 5AM the next morning. After two hours of sleep I awoke with unexpected afterglow which lasted me well through morning classes. I decided to continue experimentation before leaving for work at 12PM (which turned out quite well I must say). I fell asleep without issue and tallied up 7 hours of sleep into the next day. The next morning (yesterday) I dosed at 1PM and 5PM. I awoke this morning feeling well rested and emotionally sound. I also have no strong attachment to dosing at this point in order to keep abuse potential and tolerance and at bay.

I know that my usage is limited but please bear with me; my first impressions of stimulants have proven time and time again to be the lasting ones. What I have discovered is as follows: the desire to redose occurs to me in a similar fashion as the power of The Wizard of Oz—just a little man who hides behind the curtain. At first glance, all one wishes to do is ask for his help, but it soon becomes clear that he is not the end-all-be-all. Through direct dialogue between my willpower and peevee it quickly became apparent that the ‘more’ factor attached to the initial return to baseline is deceptively powerful. And even though I experience the urge as superficial, I acknowledge that my normal patterns of substance usage would not be acceptable with peevee. This is not a substance to be toyed with.

Please take note to my usage of the phrase “initial return to baseline.” I used this diction in order to delineate the difference between ‘baseline’ and ‘crash/comedown’ in hopes of removing any negative thought-processes attached to the word crash. When discussing baseline, I am directly referring to the emotional state experienced after the initial euphoric rush has dissipated rather than residual stimulation. After examining my own experiences and a multitude of anecdotal reports I have come to the conclusion that the oft noted crash is primarily a result of sleep deprivation and general undernourishment, not solely peevee's actions exhibited as a DARI.

It thus seems acceptable to assume that with respectful usage fiendish behavior and crash can be avoided. Because peeveee requires more respect than any other substance I have encountered, I recommend that you you redose no more than once while utilizing all of the preventative measures available to us. In order to prevent the fiendishness your best bet is to steer clear from the ROAs which are most prone to such behavior (smoking, IV, insufflation). One must also prepare themselves emotionally and physically before, during, and after usage. Emotionally, I recommend preparing your dose before hand and stating what your end-game is in using peevee. Don’t lie to yourself either—if you intend to excessively redose, you are kidding no one but yourself—otherwise you run the risk of being disappointed in yourself which only adds to the comedown.

I am under the impression that peevee acts as a DARI which results in the euphoric push which plateaus into a nice headspace that resembles a cleaner, yet less loved-up (I'm almost inclined to call it an empathogen) child of bk-MDMA. As you return to baseline the more factor sets in. In lieu of redosing, I’d recommend you play stale mate with the craving for awhile—like I said earlier, peevee’s power over you is only superficial (and short lasting). If you can do this for 45 minutes to an hour after you feel the first need to redose, I have found that the headspace no longer feels ‘lacking’ in the way it did not long ago. Smoking weed at this point also helps by acting on the adrenals or you could potentially ingest a somewhat short-acting psychedelic/empathogen and treat yourself of the emotional come down!

I believe that these tactics will help you not only reinforce your willpower, but also give you a moment to self reflect upon your motives in engaging with peevee. Don’t simply ask yourself what your motives are; ask yourself what motivates the [potentially] superficial motives (and continue further until you find an answer that you genuinely believe is true) you excuse your substance (ab)use with. A good reason to trip if you need one! This type of mindset coupled with regular sleep patterns and a diet conducive to maintaining happy adrenal glands is the first step in preventing fiend status.

** MDAI or an extremely low dose of Ketamine comes to mind although I advise against the latter if you have any preexisting or predisposition to any sort of heart condition or have any variant of an addictive personality. I’m afraid that if you do not heed such a warning you run the risk of pulling your heart in too many directions at once and/or becoming fiendish with another drug in order to fight the fiendishness of another! Certainly not for the faint of heart :P Along those lines, if you are however looking for a good time I recommend you talk to Shambles about the peevee + k ‘speedball.’

tl;dr; Peevee is an amazing drug with a serious catch: if you even consider abusing it, it will abuse you. <3
 
Too much - too long ;)


It depends you know - a day maybe or 5 days -with no sleep - it's all relative to your enviroment isn't it?


How much do you do - how pure is your PV -what route of admin do you use
 
well pretty much al the negatives have gone from yesterday. Was a bit of a problem tryin to speak to NHS direct off my face on valuim :/ also tolf her i had taken 160mg by accient (actually 40) and she kepy asking if I was trying to kill myself :\


Piecing the night tigether the last dose I had was 45odd mg in just an hour :|

fur to the halflife I take it redosing is a little dangerous :D
 
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I'd give it a rest for a bit. It doesn't seem to be the right drug for you.
 
Same drug, just a different way of abbreviating the chemical name I think (dunno how legitimate it is though, easier if everyone just calls it the same thing :) )
 
I will soon have 500mgs arriving but had a question.

Can I dissolve it in vodka? Also, I want to spend as little on the booze as possible but i'd like some precision with the dosing, so I wondered how much I might need for say 2mg per ml? 250ml?
My brain hates maths and I feel stupid for asking but better to be safe than sorry.
 
yes you can use vodka. I used vodka instead of water and it works just fine. Firstly when you say 2mg per 250ml i think you mean 2.5ml.

Easiest way of doing this mathematically speaking would be to dissolve 500mg in 500ml. That way:

1mg == 1ml

simples
 
Ok cheers Mutton, thats prob the best idea. I'm guessing plugging is out of the question though or would it be okay if I mixed the soloution with some water?
 
plugging a couple of ml of vodka may sting but I don't think it'll so any proper damage
 
i just picked up some mdpv which ill be trying out tonight, i have no scales so im just gona do small lines. ive only brought 0.1 g so im just gona split it into 10 lines, to start with i might split one of those 10 lines in half which shoud be 5 mg, i still cant imagine 5mg will have any effect tho.

my question is how shoud it smell ? this stuff has a slightly earthy/soil smell to it. its bright white and and clumpy.
 
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