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MDPV Megathread 3 - It don't matter if you're tanned or white! or beige...

Take it easy on the barely concealed source discussion please. It's pretty obvious that many of us have had a problem with a certain vendor selling utter shit but we don't do vendor talk here. Take it up with them... although I'm pretty sure they couldn't give much of a fuck :\

The idea of it being B1 is interesting - accidental mislabeling rather than deliberate cuntery is a possibility. I smoked the gram I had and it felt kinda like peevee only cut to fuck to me. I've never smoked B1 knowingly so don't know. It's shit either way.

And talk of "fancy foil packaging" is all well and good... if it weren't for the fact that there are a number of vendors who use foil packaging.

B9 said:
Tan is a colour or shade not a cast iron guarantee of quality
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Very true. A number of vendors are selling stuff they are calling tan (presumably cos so many people want the old stuff back) but the tan coloured stuff I've bought has never been the original tan. It's peevee (or at least the stuff mostly sold as MDPV the last coupla years) but it certainly ain't the real tan.

Peevee I'm playing with tonight was £10 cheaper than the shite cut stuff and is okay - the floury-textured, off-white/beige stuff many vendors call "tan". Price doesn't necessarily equate to quality anymore than colour does.
 
"....I have since found another seller who is stating that they are selling the tan variety for £60 a gm. I don't mind paying the money if I am going to receive a pure product thats gonna do the job right! I have emailed the seller to confirm that the quality is very high....."

£60 a gram!!! - don't encourage 'em - this is just plain profiteering. Even B1 and M1 aren't that much!! - the whole point of PV (apart from the effect) is that it's cheap...bet at teh best it's white with a bit of food colouring thrown in for good measure....take care ;)
 
Starting to sound like it wasn't a chance mistake :\ Maybe having no mdpv left and a lot of unpopular butylone sitting about someone with zero respect for their customers might do something like that, but they'd have to be pretty dumb to chuck away all that custom for the sake of a few quid. Either that or they've banked their quick cash-in profits and are preparing to disappear when the last of their stocks gone.

First time I've ever been ripped off aswell.

re the tan stuff, wasn't it suggested that the colour was from unreacted pyrrolidine which was also the reason for the concern about that batch being harmful to smoke? The stuff should be white if it's been worked up properly I would've thought!?

I sometimes wonder if there's a psychological elment at play, of the first time being the best and those un-recreatable experiences being associated with that colour, interefering with how the subjective effects of a later "tan" batch are perceived. Pure speculation though :)
 
Shambles said:
The idea of it being B1 is interesting - accidental mislabeling rather than deliberate cuntery is a possibility. I smoked the gram I had and it felt kinda like peevee only cut to fuck to me. I've never smoked B1 knowingly so don't know. It's shit either way.

And talk of "fancy foil packaging" is all well and good... if it weren't for the fact that there are a number of vendors who use foil packaging.
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Mine wasn't actually in the packing fully, the bottom had been snipped off and it had a baggy like they used to use pushed inside.

That foil packaging is a shit idea anyway.
 
Ceres said:
Either that or they've banked their quick cash-in profits and are preparing to disappear when the last of their stocks gone.

First time I've ever been ripped off aswell.
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This is the only logical explanation for them ripping people off like this, i can't see any other reason for them doing something which is obviously going to lose them profit in the long run.
First time i've been ripped off also. Also agreed the foil packaging is shit, i like to see how much i got left :P
 
Or it could be a genuine mistake. Possibly.

Was thinking about the possibility that I'd just lost the peevee magic last night, Ceres. Thing is, when I have been lucky enough to get a lil of the good tan stuff it's still like taking a different drug entirely almost. Plus there's the IV test I've mentioned before - no other version has anything close to the effects of IV tan. The difference between 3mg producing the most insane IV rush I've ever had and 10, 20 or even 30mg producing zero rush and actually sending me to sleep sometimes is a big one.
 
Ero90 said:
Also agreed the foil packaging is shit, i like to see how much i got left :P
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I immediately open the foil bag and stick it all in a big old clear bag :)

The foil bag has a really annoying clasp that powders tend to get stuck it. And deep corners.

Probably a nice bag for sandwiches.
 
Same here with the baggy, not sure what size sandwiches you're eating though :P
 
Shambles said:
Or it could be a genuine mistake. Possibly.

Was thinking about the possibility that I'd just lost the peevee magic last night, Ceres. Thing is, when I have been lucky enough to get a lil of the good tan stuff it's still like taking a different drug entirely almost. Plus there's the IV test I've mentioned before - no other version has anything close to the effects of IV tan. The difference between 3mg producing the most insane IV rush I've ever had and 10, 20 or even 30mg producing zero rush and actually sending me to sleep sometimes is a big one.
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I'm sure I remember reading somewhere that psychological associations can be so strong that heroin users have OD'd taking their usual dose but in an unfamiliar setting (could be shockstory nonsense obviously).
That is convincing tho, smoking 5mg freebase uk stuff had me genuinely frightened that pushing it could be getting into heartattack terroritory, 30mg IV of pv as potent as this tan batch sounds like you could get a very final answer to the question.

The stuff from abroad which was my first batch of pv resulted in some pretty memorable 8) experiences was white, and I've never felt like anything in the UK has measured up to it. Then again not sure I'd want to relive most of that hahah.
 
The heroin OD in unfamiliar circumstances thing is true, as far as I know. Or at least there is some evidence of it being true. Happened to me once actually. And a few other folks I've known.

Oddly enough, smoking the tan stuff really reminded me of the taste of heroin. The effects are kinda at the opposite end of the scale though :D
 
Shame (for me) that my first post got lost in all this vendor talk.

So, given my PV did not come in a foil bag, does anyone have any thoughts about converting it to the original tan version by adding ammonia?
 
knockando said:
Shame (for me) that my first post got lost in all this vendor talk.

So, given my PV did not come in a foil bag, does anyone have any thoughts about converting it to the original tan version by adding ammonia?
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That sounds like bollocks to me, and potentially dangerous.
 
Ceres said:
That sounds like bollocks to me, and potentially dangerous.
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Do you know about chemistry? I don't, but I suppose it does seem too easy. Why would it be dangerous? The guy on the other forum who tried this says it was smoked and experienced as close to the original tan. But maybe they were just having a rather cruel laugh.

I just think if it is true, it's not something I'd want to miss out on.
 
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Freebasing peevee is something a few folks have tried. It does give it slightly more of a kick but it also evaporates so quick it's a pain in the arse to worth with and the difference in strength isn't worth it anyway, in my opinion. Certainly doesn't magically transform it into the old tan stuff.

Admittedly, I've only used the baking soda method - and I believe Ceres tried a variant on it - but freebase peevee is freebase peevee so don't see how using the ammonia method would make any difference, myself.
 
knockando said:
Do you know about chemistry? I don't, but I suppose it does seem too easy. Why would it be dangerous? The guy on the other forum who tried this says it was smoked and experienced as close to the original tan. But maybe they were just having a rather cruel laugh.

I just think if it is true, it's not something I'd want to miss out on.
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I'm just an interested book-reader with (old!) highschool level chemistry education, but ammonia is horrible.

I don't know what the method you've read involves but I'm *guessing* just mixing the pv with weak ammonia solution might be turning it from the salt into the free base, but you can do that using safer substances. Don't take my word for it though atall.

edit> like shambles said, the free base is unstable and an oil so if thats the idea behind the ammonia thing, it'snot turning it into the tan stuff. Ammonia being a strong base might just be better at completely converting all the salt quickly. I've also read of a vendor apparently telling someone that mixing pv with water and leaving it overnight turns it into the tan, so I think theres a lot of bullshit floating around in that respect.

I found vaping the free base was stronger than the salt so might account for someone just confused about what the ammmonia thing is actually doing...again I'd wait for someone who know what they're talking about before taking any of this as accurate or playing with ammonia.
 
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I was assuming it would be the same as freebasing coke with ammonia which definitely produces a superior end product than with bicarb. Although freebasing peevee produces a yellow oil that evaporates mighty quickly rather than anything that would resemble a crack rock, in my experience. Fact remains that freebase peevee isn't worth the effort whether safe or not.
 
I hadn't heard about using ammonia/ether to get pure freebase coke before, just bicarb crack (8) i know, never had much to do with coke). After reading about it though, I agree, sounds likely to it's the same idea being talked about.

It does seem a bit pointless with MDPV since the base isn't stable enough to justify the effort if the idea is to vape it, you'd have to do it on a tiny scale or it would degrade faster than you could get through it all......free cocaine base being solid at room temp and mdpv base being an oil at room temp is just down to their differing physical properties I would've thought...

edit> sorry, that's basically just what you've said anyway shambles 8) I do think freebasing pv was worth the effort when I used a stronger base though, but prefer snorting it anyway because it's less in-yer-face and heart racing and not gone so quickly.

Still hoping someone who's used ritalin recreationally can post comparing it with mdpv in terms of how similar they are.
 
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So is the rush actually better when it's freebased? I have been smoking it straight with satisfactory results.
 
Shambles said:
Although freebasing peevee produces a yellow oil that evaporates mighty quickly rather than anything that would resemble a crack rock, in my experience. Fact remains that freebase peevee isn't worth the effort whether safe or not.
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Yes, what I've read was a yellow oil was smoked. It's described as "70% of the feeling of tan" but if you've tried this and don't feel that way then I'll have to believe you!

Cheers
 
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