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MDPV and benzo's

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Benzos are unlikely to cause any serious harm in low doses. It is quite common to use them to help get to sleep at the tail end of the experience but I don't see why you would want to take them simultaneously as they'd cancel each other out somewhat.
 
I survived an episode of to much MDPV then trying to bring it down with Phenazapam and Klonopin. It worked. But I will not do that again
I was taking klonopin all through. It was fun, but everything fun can't be used by me.
 
Nothing to worry about except addiction.

peevee notoriously provokes redosing and if you become accustomed to taking benzos during the comedown you run the risk of acquiring a nasty addiction.
 
Have combined the two repeatedly in the past at stupid doses of 200mg+ of each...

Still alive but I doubt it did my life expectancy any good.
 
MDPV is almost a requirement at the end of a MDPV experience unless you don't desire a sleep.
 
nasir~ said:
i guess most pv fiends would agree with this also=D
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nice one. :)

I have experiences with diazepam plus MDPV. 10-20 mg were enough to remove very much of the anxiety or paranoia, only little effective for cardio-vascular overstimulation and I needed >40 mg for being able to sleep 4 hours after the last dose or for weakening ODs (chest pain, paranoia, ...). So much diazepam may last too long.

Does anyone have experiences with hypnotic benzos (like temazepam) for ending a MDPV binge or mild OD?

IIRC the most annoying side effect was rare but severe memory impairment after >26h binge. I couldn't remember if I have been awake for 20 or 70 hours. I completely lost track of time that remembered me of stoned binges.

If you are prone to have more chest pain, high blood pressure or sweating, beta-blockers may be a reasonable option. But don't rely on only my experience, could be potentially more dangerous than benzos.
I have good experiences with atenolol and it also worked for the anxiety and general jittery feelings (resulting from fight-or-flight response?).

I hope I could help you a bit.

pfeife

@MeDieViL I like beer better than GBL to soften the trip, about 2 bottles. GBL/GHB tends to be more stimulating, especially in the long-run after the initial and short sedation. But... could lead to other side effects like nausea and vodka was terrible.
 
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pfeife said:
If you are prone to have more chest pain, high blood pressure or sweating, beta-blockers may be a reasonable option. But don't rely on only my experience, could be potentially more dangerous than benzos.
I have good experiences with atenolol and it also worked for the anxiety and general jittery feelings (resulting from fight-or-flight response?).
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Sorry to resurrect this thread, but I thought it important link this here. It's a bit above my head and may be shit, but makes sense to me:
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Expat- Stay away from propranalol in a situation like this...True, it has been used for anxiety, but usually in people who don't have altered systemic (pulmonary, cardiac) manifestations as happens with MDPV binges. It is a non selective Beta blocker: B1 blocked will slow your heart and make it beat less forcefully(consuming less O2) ...a good thing. B2 being blocked makes your lungs and peripheral tissues (blood vessels in muscles) resistant to your body's attempts to DILATE. This is bad. The situation you create is a weakened heart pump(decreased B1), having to push against higher pressures in both the lungs and body(Decreased B2). This can stress both the right and left heart, and set you up for heart failure.
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http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=692279&postcount=217


PV seems to be very good at getting you to look through bottles and bottles of pills to get anything you can find to undo that fatal overdose you're sure of having taken, so the severe lack of info about interactions is very distressing.


As to the OP, I've found the PV-benzo combo very helpful, especially after a few consecutive days of use when the paranoia and anxiety can become really bad. The benzos dull the "edge" of the PV a tad, but they are completely overpowered by mid-high doses of PV, in terms of their sedating effects.
 
MDPV + pretty much any benzo is virtually a necessity imo. I've tried it with Diaz, Alpraz, Phenaz, and Clonaz. All fine. Preferred Clonaz personally, but I vape my PV so god knows what decomp by-products my Clonaz is potentiating :)
 
just a few days ago:about an hour before i met with my pv partner i took 2 regular .5 klones, did a quick bump before heading off to where we could do it for rlzy

but anyway i was klonin 2 tabs every 2 hours for 6 hours after our first real pv lines which was an obscenely horrible amount, but as this was only my second pv binge and my first was benzo free iwas supa happy my dudecame thru with the pv cuz the klone straight up falcon punches all the paranoia/anxiety shit off the map!
 
The thing about propranolol being non cardio selective and therefore potentially detrimental in stimulant binges is correct physiologically, usually the slowing down of heart rate helps with the physical sensations of anxiety and the pulmonary and peripheral effects are negligable but in a stimulant situation the increased vascular resistance could definitely be an issue.. would be worst amongst drugs that vasoconstrict a lot, mephedrone springs to mind!

Fascinating though this is, I'm going to have to close it as it's not the sort of thread we have in BDD anymore (see "state of BDD sticky")
 
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