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MDPV (5th time) & 2CE (2nd time) : DANCING WITH MY DEMONS

Ximot

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Experienced user. Male, early 30s. A stim binge turned into a mild but at times pretty full-on +++ psychedelic ride and I grabbed my demon by its foot, being thrown about by the demon, experiencing the most delicate pleasures and the most excruciating pains while dancing with him, and I have decided NOT to end this session with any sedative of any kind, not benzodiazepines, not alcohol, not GHB. Too restless to meditate, I realise I want to write. Smoke the odd spliff, and write. Though, partly fuelled by the demon as I write, can I truly believe I am talking back to it? Is this an illusion? What is real, tangible? Ah yes, my dick is. Oh, very tangible. And that spliff there, that’s tangible, too. That’s real, give us a toke . . . ah! Fighting the fire while I’m feeding the flame, almost literally.
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T 10mg MDVP (oral) (2pm)
T+2.30h 8mg MDVP (smoked) and 4g L-Phenylalinine (oral)
T+4-5h 12mg 2CE, 2mg 2CB, 0.5mg Salv.A, 1.5mg 5-MeO-DMT (smoked)
T+13h sleep comes naturally. (5am)
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Cannabis and tobacco smoked throughout in intervals. No other drugs used until sleep naturally came at T+13h . Stiff neck / mild headache was the only noticeable side-effect towards the tail-end of the experience. Activities after ingestion of the MDVP included some talking online and on the phone about certain unbeneficial actions that promise great pleasure (having a threesome among friends, which we have now wisely decided against). A strong desire to extend my pleasurable thoughts led me to the pipe I loaded and smoked between T+4 and T+5, as I lay in the bath. After the bath, a strong desire to masturbate. Indulging in the sensual delights of porn. A certain restlessness. This comes back again and again, mostly whenever there seems to be something uncomfortable going on in my mind, the prospect of watching porn, watching others indulge their Desires, becomes terribly alluring . I do not want to waste my time watching porn on this trip. The only way I can deal with this is by writing it all down, while I’m tripping. Later, I watch a couple of Japanese horror films and then read a bit in a book by the Dalai Lama until sleep comes. I have learnt how very different a stimulant high is from a psychedelic high. Hell, I knew this before, didn’t I? So, nothing new there. It was actually a very rewarding trip, I feel. Difficult, but far from being a trainwreck. Still, a good reminder of what psychedelics are for and a cautionary tale for all those (including myself) who take them for what I believe to be (partly) the wrong reasons.

I typed this today, deciphering my sketchy handwriting and adding this explanatory paragraph, as soon as I got up after 7 hours' sleep, so I am in the afterglow of the experience. I was unsure whether to post this in The Dark Side because many folks there might be able to relate, or in the Creative Writing section or indeed here, which is what I have decided to do for now. This is also why I added everything above, in order to give a proper framework for the psychedelic ramblings to follow. It's not a trip report in the proper sense ("and then it was this strong, and I did this, and felt this, and thought that...") but more of a Talk to Self and Imagined People. Dancing with my Demons.
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(Overcome by Desire for Sex + Drugs)

I was ready to betray my friend to satisfy my own selfish desires. I would not have gained any lasting satisfaction from this. The demon would rear its ugly head again. Loneliness, restlessness. A compulsive urge to hold on and push and feel a push in return. Desire. Everything concentrates in this one place, and it gets tenser, tenser… then: release. The promise of eternity, all just a moment a way, yours to take if you just follow your Desire. One step further, go. Go.

Humiliated, pushed into regret. Feeling ashamed of you. Go away. But no, you will always stay. And I will keep trying to make peace. I meditate . . . I want to be disciplined . . . and see you there and give you little morsels now and then that you may acknowledge, if you like. But no more than that. I just know that no matter how much I indulge you, you will not bring me lasting peace and happiness. All you give me is a terribly temorary relief from the suffering you have already caused me.

Just follow your Desire. Eternally eluding. You make life worthwhile, or so you tell me with your sweet talk. After I satisfied you, I feel that actually you make it unbearable, not worthwhile. Oh, how did you do this to me again? How come I was fooled again? Oh, it was so beautiful. You betrayed me, Desire, expertly. You shake and rattle at my foundations, strip me down to my raw animal core. Where is my nobility, where are my principles, where is my trustworthiness, my integrity, my civilisation? My love? You bastard! And when I choose to make peace with you and accept you and your tantrums in order to learn to ignore them, you come back and say: “How about it?” And I relax for a bit. We just walk a bit of the path along together . . but there is no true peace. You keep nudging me, and I get restless, then concentrate my energy into relieving the restlessness, focusing it all there, still, calm, waiting, for a moment of peace. From you.


CHEAT (Glutton for Punishment)

Desire. Dopamine. Pleasure. Reward. . . . . Addiction.

This is why we cheat. We are bad losers. We do not want to be left unrewarded. There are so many opportunities for cheating, as many as there are interactions. You can cheat on your lover, you can cheat on your opponent in the game, the competition. And ultimately, you can cheat yourself. Every time you cheat, you cheat yourself. Your referee sees everything, and he hands you the yellow card and the red card when they’re due. Next time you want to cheat, remember he is always right, he sees everything. You cannot bargain with him, this is impossible. It may seem an option beforehand, but he strikes you down, stops you in the middle of your shortcut to instant bliss. Says “Hey…”

Yeah!! Don’t even imagine that this in any way unfair, that your ref is, like, so much worse than everyone else’s. I think we all have the same ref and it is a deception skilfully coined by Desire to make you think yours is somehow stricter than everyone else’s… It’s just that some people seem quite good at just ignoring him as they blindly pursue their pleasures. Ah yeah, the prescription pills. Oh, and the drugs, the sex. MAN!! But yeah, he’s always there, taking note, keeping the books. He’ll shove’em in your face when the time is right. You ready? Ahaah….

SORRY – The Buddha, the Exorcist, the Saviour, the Messiah …. ‘s all the same.

“More, more more!” TV Chocolate Shopping and Sex and Drugs, especially. The ultimate deceivers, especially in combination. Promise resolve if only you go further, if only you add to it, indulge more furiously. They never keep their promise. Hell, if I can laugh at all that, I think I got the cosmic joke. Laughter helps. Warms the heart, if you can find it in you. The desires lessen. There’s acceptance, contentment. Pooh, that was scary! I think I’ll lie down now. Or shall I roll a spliff instead?

ANHEDONIA (n.) : a perfectly normal reaction to excessive stimulation of the reward system, as exercised by the world around us at will, the media, the businesses, etc. . . . cashing in on the hedonism they have encouraged us to pursue. Oh yeah, you can take pills for that nowadays. You’re not happy? You can’t enjoy life because you know there is something spiritually unresolved? Here’s the magic pills, there, careful now, one for your fears, and one for your sombre mood, and now you’ve taken those, just relax and get settled and enjoy the ride. But remember you have to pay for it in the end.



. . . LOVE

In this darkness, this cold, let me remember to be grateful, for it could be infinitely worse. Let me get in touch with that core in the heart that can spark up if you ignite it and give it warmth, colouring your experience of everything with it. This core is universal love, the love that, somehow, runs through you and is within you. The love that you already are.

So many people. In this darkness, this cold. If no one touches that core in their heart, what is everyone’s experience? Those who touch it have a great impact on everyone’s experience, giving light and warmth. Thanks. Touch. And let it grow. Love. The only logical conclusion, given reality. Unconditional and permanent in the face of impermanence. Keep renewing, keep working. Hope. Keep saying “yes”.

Beware the power of emotion and its strange logic. Why are you angry? BECAUSE I AM! Why are you horny? BECAUSE I AM! Why are you happy? . . . Quite without reason. Unreasonable, as it were. Out of bounds, the horrors it can produce. How exactly does love come into this bartering between emotion and reason? Love is not partial, it balances, it collects and distributes all at once. It flows. Peacefully, almost imperceptibly. Life force is love. Just remember to tap into it, because there is so much other stuff there that will otherwise pour into you.
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HUMANATURE

We are animals. Like all the others. But we have a choice. We are conscious of the animal that we are. And to protect ourselves, our dignity, we choose not to indulge it as we put on clothes, civilise ourselves. It’s wild out there.

How we treat animals (so-called “lesser beings”), then, reflects how we treat each other and ourselves. Will you have respect for this sentient being? Or will you take advantage of someone more stupid than yourself, simply because you can? Because they are unaware of it and letting you? It may sound like it, but this isn’t about rape. It’s about neatly packaged morsels of meat that betray no pain, for sale at your local supermarket, and maybe there’s one in your fridge right now. We are animals. But we have a choice. We love the animal, yet we are afraid of it. We dialogue with it. We have a choice. Is it necessary for our well-being to kill, or is it selfish? There must be a difference, no? I like to think we can estimate the progress of humanity by how we treat not only each other but by how we treat (other) animals. How much cruelty is there? How much kindness?

(for the record, I do not eat much meat, but I am not a vegetarian at this time)

Yeah. That's pretty much it. I haven't been crying out for response, for confirmation, this much in quite a while. Broadcasting myself this way. Weird thing to do. If I were a woman, would I be Paris Hilton on Psychedelics minus the money? She's an icon, and a true dopamine fiend. And really pathetic. Well, I hope not :)

Jeez, all us Rush Junkies out there... and all the Depressed. How grateful we can be to have this luxurious life. Well, me, anyway. To be able to take just take time out and get high and not go to work. What a very special privilege. Billions of people on this planet do not have this privilege. And what do I do with it? Use my time to moan about how I could be happier. Ahahahaa! Bloody middle-class. Born that way, rejected it, and returned to it gratefully, for consider the alternatives. Struggling for food, struggling for shelter . . . struggling for essentials. The amount of spiritual work we can do here is quite enormous. And it's really all there is left for us to do, when the basics (food, shelter, company) are provided for. Perhaps give life and love to a being and help it grow in a healthy way. But there's so many of us... too many, really, to have the value of rareness. Why add more? Of course, there's always food, sex, the media, shopping, drugs, and more. So much to fill the hole, into which it all disappears . . .



Be very careful what you feed your mind, for the seeds you sow may grow. And, oh, the gardening!! Keep it... tidy.
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I just know that no matter how much I indulge you, you will not bring me lasting peace and happiness. All you give me is a terribly temorary relief from the suffering you have already caused me.
i can relate to this. nicely worded
i liked your article. i too have been struggling with demons as well. temptations. many times i overcome them and feel great but they always come back. nudgeing me tempting me. i guess that is what keeps us going , makes us stronger. We are constantly moving in one direction or the other.
Life force is love
thats why we feel so alive when we love!
Is it necessary for our well-being to kill, or is it selfish
mostly laziness?

great article. it made me start questioning my actions. and take a step back and ask myself what am i doing with my life and the oppurtunities i have been given.
surely i can do more.

peae
 
How the hell did I miss this? Must have been away at the time. I really love this report.

What has helped me is to fill myself up with love when I feel desire begin. This can be done through active thought (meditation of a sort - thinking about the nature of our existence always fills me with love), or listening to great music, or singing. Singing is wonderful, just to feel the vibrations in your body. or dancing. After a while you can channel your desire into love. It's okay to desire love, and when you achieve it, there's nothing there to hurt you afterward.

I'd like to add a lot more here but I can't think what to say. I love the style this is written in though. Consider submitting this to Erowid.
 
Thanks for your response.

In retrospect, I am not sure about the style. It reads a bit like a confession or like preaching. But maybe that's just the kind of guy I am.


EDIT. there's also a time error in my report, sleep came at T+15, not T+13.
 
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I don't really believe in any spiritual response. In my opinion science is the best explanation of our lives. Chemicals in our brain (serotonin, dopamine, norepinephrine, endorphins, etc) regulate every aspect of our mood and personality, metabolism, cell reproduction...

Does a person have low dopamine because they have no drive, or does a person have no drive because they have less dopamine than their driven counterparts? The answer is the latter, maybe everyone's problems aren't their own fault?

There is no spiritual element to most people's lives, and I denounce the spiritual because it's intangible (so why is it so ridiculous to denounce it?).

Proper meditation will excercise your control over your brain and physiological function. Buddhist monks are able to regulate their body, metabolism, mood completely through chemical response; they have developed abilities to completely control serotonergic and dopaminergic response.
In Acid Dreams Hubbard (or somebody else, I don't recall?) sought out the holiest man in Tibet, followed by dosing him with 2000 mcgs of LSD which he claimed "barely phased the guy- he was already high!".

People search for the spiritual to look for meaning, many may misinterpret chemical responses as some sort of god. In the end, there is nothing we can do to amount to anything that will ever matter or be remembered.

This is my view on Hedonism, we must live in a hedonistic fashion but do so in a way that is not destructive (destroying your body and life prevents you from experiencing more pleasure), and we must come together as co-existing people in hope that we can make life a much more enjoyable place for our decendents.
I know I place a lot of emphasis on science, but that's really all you can depend on in this world; I'm not denouncing the arts or philosophy or any other forms of thought, because we need to have balanced lives to live successfully.
For an in depth read into the philosophy of hedonism check out http://www.bltc.com/
 
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It's not ridiculous to denounce spirituality, because it is intangible. However, it is rather short-sighted to denounce spirituality simply because it's intangible. So are a lot of other forces that we accept because of science. We can see the result of these forces, but not the forces themselves (gravity, electricity, magnetism, etc). The same is true with spirituality, if you look.

And also, you can't always depend on science. Many at the time legitimate beliefs that were thought to be absolutely true have been proven to be false. They were discovered through whatever means of measurement and logic that were available at the time, but were later shown to be inaccurate because the people of that time had a limited view of the reality they existed in. it would be silly to think that the same wouldn't be true of us now, or of any culture at any period of time. At every time, we have only a limited view of existence based on what we can currently see.

In the end, there is nothing we can do to amount to anything that will ever matter or be remembered.

What does that have to do with spirituality or science? It's absolutely true, but I don't see how that discredits spirituality. In fact, one thing my spiritual exploration has shown me is that this fact is part of life, and not something to fight, but to accept. Dust in the wind.

Proper meditation will excercise your control over your brain and physiological function. Buddhist monks are able to regulate their body, metabolism, mood completely through chemical response; they have developed abilities to completely control serotonergic and dopaminergic response.
In Acid Dreams Hubbard (or somebody else, I don't recall?) sought out the holiest man in Tibet, followed by dosing him with 2000 mcgs of LSD which he claimed "barely phased the guy- he was already high!".

Funny that you quote buddhist monks as an example, as they practice meditation to explore their spirituality. Meditation can take you just as far or farther than psychedelic drugs. It just takes a lot more discpline and most Westerners would rather pop a chemical than practice for a lifetime ;)
 
/\ Farther, much farther, I believe. I get much more out of my trips since I learnt how to meditate. I have no doubt that if I was a more disciplined being who meditates relentlessly, I would not have any desire/need for psychedelics, or indeed any exclusively hedonistic pursuits (though tripping kinda answers to both needs for me- enjoyment and spirituality).

And I also believe that one's chemical (im)balance is the direct result of one's spiritual practice/awareness, etc. But that's just my opinion.
 
Tripping taught me a thing or two about meditation and I use it in my daily life now. However, I've not gotten to the point where I can do a lot with it on its own compared to when I take a psychedelic. But when I trip (other than light doses in social situations) I always spend the time meditating.
 
Xorkoth said:
How the hell did I miss this? Must have been away at the time. I really love this report.

What has helped me is to fill myself up with love when I feel desire begin. This can be done through active thought (meditation of a sort - thinking about the nature of our existence always fills me with love), or listening to great music, or singing. Singing is wonderful, just to feel the vibrations in your body. or dancing. After a while you can channel your desire into love. It's okay to desire love, and when you achieve it, there's nothing there to hurt you afterward.

I'd like to add a lot more here but I can't think what to say. I love the style this is written in though. Consider submitting this to Erowid.

+1 :)
 
Xorkoth said:
It's not ridiculous to denounce spirituality, because it is intangible. However, it is rather short-sighted to denounce spirituality simply because it's intangible. So are a lot of other forces that we accept because of science. We can see the result of these forces, but not the forces themselves (gravity, electricity, magnetism, etc). The same is true with spirituality, if you look.

And also, you can't always depend on science. Many at the time legitimate beliefs that were thought to be absolutely true have been proven to be false. They were discovered through whatever means of measurement and logic that were available at the time, but were later shown to be inaccurate because the people of that time had a limited view of the reality they existed in. it would be silly to think that the same wouldn't be true of us now, or of any culture at any period of time. At every time, we have only a limited view of existence based on what we can currently see.

So true. Is it that we create an opinion of truth based on what our tools allow us to see? Because we keep creating better tools, it only stands to reason that our opinion of the truth will change also.

And, of coarse, where fictions are concerned, the closer a lie is to the truth the better a lie it is.
 
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