(MDPV), 5-7mg -- Inexperienced -- Genuinely Useful

[Obyron]

EDIT TO ADD: Genuinely Useful, IF EXERCISING EXTREME RESTRAINT! See below. O.O

Male, Early 20s, 6'3", 280#
Social smoker, Social drinker
Excellent physical health (exhaustive physical in the last 12 months)

Material: >98% MDPV with up to 2% pyrrolidine by weight (see my thread in ADD requesting info about washing the MDPV to remove this impurity)
Dosage: 5-7mg insufflated


Quantitative:

I've tried MDPV three times now in the 5-7mg range. I mass with a milligram scale, with a resolution of +/- 1mg, and so I aim for 6mg and go with it. I'm anal about calibrating the scale every time I use it.

The material seems slightly moist, and has a tendency to stick to itself in small clumps rather than being a granular powder like cocaine, or the samples I've seen of 5-MeO-MiPT. Snorting it carries a bit of a burn.

Effects presented in 5-10 minutes, and seem to have a plateau from around 30 minutes to 90 minutes or so, followed by a few more hours of stimulation. I didn't really notice any comedown at this dose.


Qualitative:

I've never been much of a fan of stimulants. I went through a love affair with cocaine for about a year, but was never addicted. I enjoyed the focus and the euphoria moreso than the stimulant effects, but eventually I got bored with it and resented the cost, and simply gave it up. I consider myself lucky not to have an addictive personality. What attracted me to trying MDPV were all the reports comparing it to methylphenidate (Ritalin/Concerta/etc.). I have a problem with focus (which, incidentally, predates my drug experimentation!), and I have a real anxiety about doctors, and so I figured I'd give this a try.

The come-up with snorting can be a bit abrupt and intense, but that's the nature of insufflation. I was pleasantly surprised to see that my pupils don't seem to be affected at all by this. I definitely feel stimulated, and until I'm able to adjust to the experience I get a bit of what I call the "Sniffles Mouse" syndrome, where I'm just like that chatty little mouse from the Tom & Jerry cartoon who babbles on non-stop. I'm used to this from stimulated friends (coke and meth chiefly), and I'm happy to report that it doesn't seem nearly as... tweaky... as the chattering on those chemicals. To me that always seems anxious and sketchy, whereas this feels more uplifted, and genuinely social.

The added focus is definitely great. I was able to get a ton of things done at work today. I glanced at the clock and was amazed to see that 4 hours had gone by while I'd been working away. I forgot to even get lunch, and didn't really feel hungry until I actively thought about food. I've got to agree with the reports of appetite loss on this one.

I really have to disagree with Wikipedia's statement that MDPV has "relatively little" euphoria. I've found the come-up and the body of the peak to be quite euphoric, to the extent that it worries me a little that there'll be a temptation to redose as the peak fades.


Conclusions:

If you have good willpower and relatively little interest in stimulants, but like the thought of using something for focus, then this would be a good one. I have no clue how people with history of stimulant abuse or addiction might respond, but I've read enough threads here on BL to be wary. I've seen reports of people using it to soften the comedown of other drugs, and I'd be interested in testing its efficacy in that regard. MDPV definitely seems like it'll be a handy thing to have around, but the first time I think that I "need" it, or feel like it'd be a great idea to do just one more bump I'm flushing it. I don't feel like I have an addictive personality, but I'm not going to spit in the face of Murphy's Law either.


Other Comments:

Erowid's big chart index (http://www.erowid.org/general/big_chart.shtml) lists MDPV but has no link to a vault. I realize the entry there is as MDPK, but I can't find the vault in any of the lists, or by googling for it (I just get the one experience vault report). It's not even on the above mentioned big chart index. If there's anyone with access, could we get a proper MDPV vault on Erowid?

Also, the one experience report on Erowid lists 80mg in the course of 6.5 hours. That's nuts!

Finally, I haven't been able to find a Big & Dandy MDPV thread anywhere on BL. Are those only for Psychedelics? The ones I've seen were all on PD. I saw a big thread on European Drug Discussion, but if anyone has a link handy to a B&D type thread I'd appreciate it.
EDIT TO ADD: Found this on ADD-- http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=210790

I remember reading it, but completely forgot about it.

If you have any questions or comments I'll answer as best I can.

substancecode_mdpv

 

[jah]

Did you feel good(happy)over all? was there any increase in energy?
Thanks

 

[Obyron]

Yes, and yes. It really does feel like meth without all the bugfuck insanity of meth. I tried a bit more last night just to see what happens when you redose, and needless to say I didn't get any sleep. I feel like shit from staying up all night long, but the body euphoria is really nice. I think I have hair growing on my palms now...

Also, in another amusing bit of masturbation humour, I'm having trouble seeing, but I'm assuming I'm just bleary-eyed from lack of sleep (or from having my eyes glued to some totally excellent porn...). I feel like I could read a book, but the monitor is just almost too much to deal with.

Work is going to be so fun today! So much for responsibility.

So yeah, stick to my initial recommendation and use it as a concetration aid! The comedown actually doesn't feel too bad other than the usual exhaustion, but it's just not worth it!

 

[Obyron]

Further Observations of an Abuse Scenario

Oh, and just another thing to add. My original thought aboutt the idea of using 80mg in 6.5 hours being crazy is almost humorous in its sad mistakenness. I had to have blown through (if you'll pardon the expression) 150mg of the stuff in about a 14 hour period. My heart rate is hovering right around 100bpm right now, and I feel like I could probably achieve a crashing orgasm at the barest suggestion of sexual activity.

This compound actually scares me. It has even more of an "I don't think I feel anything. Maybe I should do another line" aspect than coke does. If I had to think of a street name for this one I'd call it Coke Zero-- all the stimulated euphoria, with none of the egotistical bug-fuckery and limp dick syndrome. I know I swore vehemently in my initial post that I'd flush it at the first sign of "I think I need another bump," but I'm confident in my abilities to pull myself back together after a night of abandoning self-control in the name of research. I'll report back later on exactly how much I took (it'll be a simple matter of subtracting my initial three test doses and the remainder of my 250mg "sample"), just for the sake of being able to say: "I did Xmg in one night with only 15-21mg of tolerance, and it didn't kill me!" Although I'm already thinking the retort to that is, "...but it made me wish it had." Fucking stimulant crashes. At least there's none of that coke comedown though...

PS: Attribute any typos to the bleary-eyed side-effects noted above, and the length and rambling nature of these posts to the fact that I did "just one more bump" with the intent of it helping me stay awake through my sure-to-be-hellish day at work, so I'm still feeling it. Also, on the "Coke Zero" point, I'm realizing just how great this lack of a comedown is. There's none of that horrible "head cold from hell" feeling you get from cocaine-- which I'm assuming is because I got an entire night out of what I'd typically do in two lines of snow-- and also none of that miserable bleh feeling, that I'm assuming is caused by changes in dopamine regulation, although I'm sure I'll get that later. On the down side, there's the diarrhea, and about that I need say no more. Also (yet another edit... jesus... is there a "stimmed up" flag we can set on ourselves to keep us from being able to post long, rambling notes?), allow me to emphasize the extreme necessity of drinking a lot of water when abusing this compound, because you'll need it to combat the diarrhea, and also the fact that I pretty much feel like the Sahara desert has taken root in my throat. There's a strange numbness there that's somewhat reminiscent of "Coke Classic." As a musician (a sometime vocalist, in additition to guitar) this both worries and intrigues me, because at least I won't feel how badly I shredded my throat while screaming out my ecstacy at my extremely good showing in the Annual Weasel Whacking Festival...

PPS: And just one more thing... Every post of Zophen's that I've ever read and said "wtf mate? ^^" to makes so much more sense to me right now! Also, I figure this is nothing anyone might not have already assume from the nature of the chemical (stimulant), but all the annoying teeth-sucking, lip-licking, tongue-piercing-playing-with, OCD type behaviours of both meth and coke are very very present. Thankfully my source is currently dry, or I'd be fighting the drug-fueled urge to buy a gram of the shit. ONLY buying 250mg is probably the smartest thing I did with this substance-- which isn't difficult, since so much of what I did with it is so incredibly stupid.

 

[Obyron]

After a trip home to use the necessary (and might I add that word is all too fitting, given the sorry state of both my GI tract, and the plumbing where I work), I was able to take a minute to do some measurements.

At +/-1mg resolution, the final damage was somewhere between 194 and 205mg-- give or take a milligram or two for the frazzled wetworks that are doing the math-- in a period of around 12 hours, which gives us (at 7mg doses) something like 2.25 - 2.5 doses per hour, which of course takes some liberties with the actual numbers, for the sake of making them look pretty.

This both astonishes and shames me, however, doing all this mental math is kind of entertaining at the moment. Maybe next I'll balance my checkbook, before my inevitable descent into hellish madness.

Bit of an update: I feel like complete shit at the moment. I'm reasonably sure that I've got a seat on the last train to Vomit Central, after which I'll more than likely have a bit of a panic attack, which isn't so bad since I'm actually expecting it. I'm tempted to beg off sick after/at lunchtime, and take some kratom tea to knock me out, but my chest already feels a bit constricted, which makes me worry a bit about using the magic tea to knock myself out. I think I'm just not cut out to use stimulants. The crashes-- especially after an idiotic binge like the one I pulled-- aren't worth it. This is what I get for assuming the stimulant effects of this would be a bit like Coke, rather than meth. I'll leave the heroic stimulant doses/runs to those better suited to handle them! Everyone has a moment where they realize they're not 10 feet tall and bullet proof, and that drugs-- especially RCs-- can be dangerous.

My kingdom for a benzo, especially once the mindfuck of the anxiety attack hits...

 

[Xorkoth]

Whew! Great report! Just be careful, man.

Personally, I went through 125mg of the stuff, but it took me a month. I only experienced actual euphoria with it once; the other times I only experienced a (very useful) clarity and concentration. I did feel a small urge to redose, but I never actually did so.

 

[Obyron]

Whew! Great report! Just be careful, man.

Personally, I went through 125mg of the stuff, but it took me a month. I only experienced actual euphoria with it once; the other times I only experienced a (very useful) clarity and concentration. I did feel a small urge to redose, but I never actually did so.

I actually really do stand by my original statements about my willpower and what have you, but I figured I'd take a ride on the train just once to see where it ended up. Unfortunately, the "research" part of "research chemicals" is necessarily going to entail both positive and negative results. The feeling of what I call the "Creeping Death" in my stomach is levelling out to a point where it's bearable. At some point I'll sick up the meager contents of my stomach (a big mac, diet cola, and a reasonable amount of water) that might still remain from my pre-binge meal. Also, the mindfuck aspect isn't nearly as bad so far as what I was afraid it was going to be from the initial feelings of anxiety I was getting.

It's almost enough to believe that my body is going to let me off with a warning and my promise of future good behavior, with perhaps just enough of a spanking to remind me that it really DOES have teeth if I decide to ignore it again later.

More and more I'm deciding that I'm just a psychonaut at heart; built more for long explorations of the vast inner spaces, than for frenzied forays into a space occupied by my hand and some quantity of lube.

At some point I'll clean all this up, distill it down to the facts, minus some of the tweaked out ranting and raving, and maybe add just a touch of gonzo panache, and submit it to Erowid-- assuming of course that they ever actually get a proper MDPV Vault!

 

[General alcazar]

Funny how some people just can't help going out of control with this one. For others 10-15 mg is plenty for a night. I ccouldn't imagine doing that much in such a short period of time. Guess it's a testament to the relative safety of this compound. Nice report, though not nice for Obyron's body.. the comedown must have been horrible.

 

[Obyron]

Well, I kind of wanted to take it for a test drive, and see how she'd handle in the curves, but it definitely did get a little out of control. The initial rush from insufflating this one definitely prompted me to chase it.

The comedown surprisingly wasn't that bad. I'd really rather being coming down from MDPV (at a reasonable dose, obviously, not the insane amount I ended up doing!) than coke. The worst part of the MDPV was the dry, scratchy throat, and the feeling that my throat was being constricted. I (as a guess) attribute the first part of that to the caustic nature of pyrrolidine, along with at least some part of the nausea I experienced. I really feel like the exhaustion was more of a problem for me than the actual comedown. I ended up getting about 12 or 13 hours of fitful (people kept calling me, damn it!) sleep.

As for any lingering effects, I still feel a little bit woogy today, like my brain is filled with cotton. I'm also under a bit of a general malaise, and I'm still a bit light-headed when I stand up. My jaw muscles hurt from all the teeth-clenching, and my stomach is going to need some babying today (it's been, at this point, about 36 hours since I ate anything). It's basically what you'd expect from overdoing it with any other stimulant, but not as bad as what I've experienced with coke. I couldn't speak for meth, since I just tried it a couple of times, but never actually did a run on it.

After all this I'd still keep (small amounts of) MDPV around for responsible use. It's just that I now view it strictly as a "utility" drug rather than a recreational one.

 

[fastandbulbous]

I've found that MDPV use only gets out of hand when sex enters the mix; then vast amounts can disappear (along with a fair amount of body weight!) is the coyurse of 24 hours. A normal, non-sex consumption is 5-10mg in a night. With sex though it has in the past gone up to 200mg in a 24 hour period.

I'm frightened to ask if its me or that's just what happens to everybody (I seriously worry that it's the former)

 

[General alcazar]

Well, for some reason I didn't get much in the way of prosexual effects at all. Maybe a little, but certainly not what many describe. Also made it harder to perform - a lot like MDMA does, but not quite as absolute. Guess it just illustrates again that YMMV...

 

[Obyron]

I've found that MDPV use only gets out of hand when sex enters the mix; then vast amounts can disappear (along with a fair amount of body weight!) is the coyurse of 24 hours. A normal, non-sex consumption is 5-10mg in a night. With sex though it has in the past gone up to 200mg in a 24 hour period.

I'm frightened to ask if its me or that's just what happens to everybody (I seriously worry that it's the former)

That pretty much matches up with my experience. I strongly suspect that if it hadn't been for discovering the joy of self-stimulation on this chemical, I would've stopped a lot earlier.

 

[SpellmanT7]

My kingdom for a benzo, especially once the mindfuck of the anxiety attack hits...

This point is something I'd like to bring to the attention of anyone who has taken benzos during MDPV use.

I found diazepam to be significantly less effective than normal - to the point at which I'd question if there wasn't some P450 enzyme interaction. In addition, pod tea was far stronger than normal - has anyone taken opiates with MDPV and noted unusual responses?

 

[Cface]

I didn't read any other posts except for the OP, so not sure if this has been asked yet.

Do your find MDPV as euphoric as cocaine and/or more lasting or less on both or either?

 

[Systemdoll]

has anyone taken opiates with MDPV and noted unusual responses?

I've tried 8mg MDPV (insuflated) with 70mg sulphate morphine (insufflated) and i notice very unusual euphoria.
I was staying in bed and experienced orgasms on orgasms without moving.
I think MDPV potentiate a lot the morphine effect.

 

[Obyron]

Oh, wow, glad this post is still being of use to some people!

The initial rush was as pleasant as coke, but it didn't last, which is what led me to redosing. It's worth noting that I only touched MDPV one or two more times after this incident, and both times were at reasonable doses.

It's been purely psychedelics for me since then. Decided to keep my hand out of the stimulant candy jar.

 

[MyDoorsAreOpen]

I could definitely see myself going nuts with this one. Focus is so elusive to me that its presence for a long time in and of itself is euphoric to me.

But without the intrinsic euphoria of amphetamines? Hmm... that sounds second best.

 

[lazydullard]

sounds great. i'm amazed about how good your grammar is in your rambling overstimulated posts

 

[bingey]

This point is something I'd like to bring to the attention of anyone who has taken benzos during MDPV use.

I found diazepam to be significantly less effective than normal - to the point at which I'd question if there wasn't some P450 enzyme interaction. In addition, pod tea was far stronger than normal - has anyone taken opiates with MDPV and noted unusual responses?

The opiate thing is called a speedball , shortens the duration but makes it stronger


and with benzos the effects are just diagonally opposed i guess , thats why you take em to come down right?

 

[SpellmanT7]

The opiate thing is called a speedball , shortens the duration but makes it stronger


and with benzos the effects are just diagonally opposed i guess , thats why you take em to come down right?

Thanks for contributing but I'm really not referring to the specifics of a typical speedball (coke/heroin, IV'ed - sometimes amphetamine replaces the cocaine, sometimes the heroin is replaced by an opiate of similar strength).

It is my belief that MDPV specifically inhibits the liver enzyme that is involved in metabolising and ultimately eliminating (from the bloodstream) one or more of the opiate alkaloids in poppy pod tea. This would extend the length of a pod tea high.

Alternatively, MDPV could act as an inducer of one the liver enzymes - specifically 2D6, which is responsible for the conversion of codeine (present in poppy tea) to morphine (the conversion takes place in the liver). Codeine is notoriously itchy in large doses and my experience with pod tea alone Vs. pod tea + low dose MDPV suggest that more codeine may be removed and subsequently, the itch could be reduced...

It's only a theory and there are very few drugs that induce the 2D6 enzyme.

With benzos - if MDPV induced enzyme 3A4, it would account for why diazepam seems so ineffective when taking after MDPV.

EDITED : I wrote sometimes amphetamine replaces the heroin, sometimes the heroin is replaced by an opiate of similar strength, obviously I meant to write cocaine in place of the first mention of heroin .