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MDMA shortage contributing to city violence?

Violence in the clubbing scene, with a drop in Plur seems to correspond more with the mainstream acceptance of the dance music culture. Australia has a "hard rock" history. In the 80's and early 90's the music scene was dominated by live rock bands in pubs. Young men would get drunk, get rowdy and often get into a fight. Today nightlife has shifted to electronic music and dance floors yet the same "Ocker attitude" still exists. Unfortunately now you have everyone sharing the same clubs. Have you ever wondered why Hard energy trance music is the more popular genre today compared to the uplifting House trance of the "glory days" of clubbing? It's no real surprise the love has slowly disappeared as more boofheads left the pub scene in an attempt to find out where all the pretty girls and gay guys disappeared to.
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All valid points, but I particularly agree with this one above. I think more dickheads these days are doing meth and coke; they are the sorts of people who have always got into fights and caused problems. But now they have crossed over into "our scene". Previously they might have gone home early, but these two drugs keep them there all night long and only serves to increase their already over-inflated egos and dog pack mentalities.
 
Have you ever wondered why Hard energy trance music is the more popular genre today compared to the uplifting House trance of the "glory days" of clubbing?
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Except that the most aggressive and unfriendly crowds are always at house gigs. Not knocking house as a genre, but it draws the most mainstream crowd by far, which results in a greater number of people who are there to get fucked up and start shit compared to other genres.
 
Interesting that back in 2000, Sydney’s New Year’s celebration was one of the least violent on record. A senior NSW police officer commented that it was due to the large number of individuals using MDMA on the big night. NSW police very quickly retracted the comment as they didn’t want to be sending the wrong message ;)
Quote: It even meant less work for police on one of their busiest nights. "It was quite amazing," a senior Bondi police officer told the Herald after Sydney's millennium celebrations in 2000, one of the most trouble-free New Year's Eves in years. "The big topic of conversation among the officers on the night was how the widespread use of ecstasy has really calmed things down. It has changed the whole scene."http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/04/04/1048962923800.html

Also this piece: Taken from here, interesting history of ecstasy use in Australia. http://www.thesydneyinstitute.com.au/downloads/SIQ11.pdf
The Sydney Institute Quarterly: ZERO TOLERANCE, ZERO RESULTS
Georgina Gold

However, media representation of ecstasy and raves has not always been wholly negative. An interesting media war regarding raves and ecstasy use erupted after the 2000 New Year’s Eve celebrations. In an article entitled "Love is in the Air" (SMH, 4 January 2000), a senior Bondi policeman reported that "the big topic of conversation amongst the officers on the night was how the widespread use of ecstasy has really calmed things down". Bondi, renowned for its violent New Year’s Eve celebrations, which in previous years had escalated to riot proportions, was remarkably placid this year.
Mobile Home, a branch-off of the Sydney superclub Home, took over Bondi Beach for the NYE
celebrations. "Dozens of bored (Bondi) police" established a prominent presence expecting the usual drunken rioting and excessive violence but instead were greeted by "thousands of partygoers with smiles beaming from faces with dilated pupils". Police, it seems, had nothing to do. "Not a single fight" erupted.Police maintained that it was easy to pick out those who had used the drug with "their broad, dopey smiles, dilated pupils and rapid chewing of gum". At the three major parties in Sydney, it was reported that there were more than 35, 000 people dancing the night away, and not one fight or arrest had been reported.
The next day, a senior Sydney policeman released a statement saying that Bondi police did not endorse the use of the drug ecstasy. An article entitled "Police deny drugs love-in" (SMH, 5 January 2000) reported that the "claims that widespread usage of the illegal drug ecstasy was responsible for the low number of arrests and fights in Bondi on New Year's Eve" were "absolute garbage".
 
Being a party drug to alot mdma's users go out into town etc. But if there aint no pill to get, i agree people may drink more and be dicks to people. To be honest a lot of people who use pills and speed are more agresive than say the pot head or heroin addict. Like E goes hand in hand with NIKE Bikies right? This is opinion by the way. I don't care for E but respect it has it's uses like many drugs. Shame we can't choose to take safe drugs from a shop, instead we take a risk to buy what should be controlled like food but available to every adult. Peace.
Tobacco...... the hipocracy.
 
Busty St Clare said:
I agree moderateuser. Short of sounding like an old cunt with a "back in my day" speech, I don't really feel that the streets are any more violent than 20 years ago. People (mainly guys) would always get into fights, a lot of the time while drunk. The difference today is the violence is often indiscriminate or even unprovoked and rather than a few punches to the head, will now involve unconscious victims being stomped in the head while they lay on the ground. Today you see young women throwing punches at each other. I see a generation of young people who don't respect authority or the law let alone each other. There is more a of selfish "me" attitude with people no longer concerned with their fellow man. Believe it or not there did exist a code of conduct even in a drunken street fight. I can't say that the MDMA drought has cause this as you see the same change in school yards as much as the streets.

Violence in the clubbing scene, with a drop in Plur seems to correspond more with the mainstream acceptance of the dance music culture. Australia has a "hard rock" history. In the 80's and early 90's the music scene was dominated by live rock bands in pubs. Young men would get drunk, get rowdy and often get into a fight. Today nightlife has shifted to electronic music and dance floors yet the same "Ocker attitude" still exists. Unfortunately now you have everyone sharing the same clubs. Have you ever wondered why Hard energy trance music is the more popular genre today compared to the uplifting House trance of the "glory days" of clubbing? It's no real surprise the love has slowly disappeared as more boofheads left the pub scene in an attempt to find out where all the pretty girls and gay guys disappeared to. ;)

All things are cyclic and it is inevitable that things will change and evolve. Just as aggressive lads and muzza's have slowly infected mainstream raves and festivals I see a gradual shift back to the underground. Soon enough the most popular ticket in town will not be promoted by middle aged boomers and advertised in the Age or Herald Sun. The Big Days out's, Summerfield days etc will still cater for the masses but I see a shift back to more exclusive warehouse parties with a more select clientele and a less violent vibe. Don't forget a lack of patrolling sniffer dogs as well. ;)
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I completely agree there will always be drunken knobs punching on and making life awkward for regular punters. The point you’ve made about music, drugs and culture is one that really fascinates me. How perceptions of a particular culture, i.e. the rise of electronic dance music and the use of MDMA in the mid 80s was initially something very underground and eventually over the years swallowed up by main stream culture. This will inevitably have people longing for the good old days and questioning, “Where’s the love gone?” I first started using MDMA in the 70s at full moon parties in Goa, now that makes me a really old cunt. Don’t use drugs anymore as I can’t seem to co-ordinate and synchronise my movements with my walking frame. ;) But I’m with you on creating a movement back to exclusive warehouse parties. I’m going to create a new warehouse scene, motorised wheel chairs and scooters only, where old farts like me can whirl around drugged to the eye balls. Sounds a bit like my local shopping centre as the oldies with scooters are taking over and they’re all smashed on prescription drugs. Of course in the interests of harm reduction all scooters will be speed limited and tested prior to entry at the warehouse. :)
 
Lol Do it De_quincy that would be sweet :P

Correct me if i'm wrong though, but How could have u used MDMA in the 70's? wasn't it not re-introduced as a party drug until 1983-84?

Also great post about how mellow the 2000 new years was in sydney.
 
i remember back in i think 01 or 02 new years eve, the police commented how the low amount of assults and no murders in sydney on NYE was prob mainly due to the amount of ppl on 'xtc'

it may be a sad fact, but the fact is 90% of ppl want to get smashed when they go out. the only option to make them feel smashed is alcohol, which makes many ppl get angry and agitated. im hopeing the gov one day will address this issue and consider maybe giving young ppl a choice of something like alcohol and legal mdma pills ( not the xtc shit that is sold on the streets) Firstly MDMA will need to have its name 'cleaned' so to speak cos the media and governemnt and most ppl who buy the stuff still link xtc pills with mdma even tho most the pills sold on the streets contains anything but MDMA, and makes MDMA look evil when u read shit in the media about how 'xtc' killed miss smith etc, id like to see the number of fatalities from MDMA compared to street xtc.

governments should be just asresponsible for alot of the deaths cos they created a vacum filled with different chemicals when the first made mdma illegal, and then focused so hard keeping it out of aust when there is still such a high demand for 'xtc' specially from younger australians who generally have less knowledge and insight bout drugs.
 
thestudent14 said:
Lol Do it De_quincy that would be sweet :P

Correct me if i'm wrong though, but How could have u used MDMA in the 70's? wasn't it not re-introduced as a party drug until 1983-84?

Also great post about how mellow the 2000 new years was in sydney.
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Yes, it became very popular in the mid 80s but was around, if you new about it from the mid 70s. As Shulgin rediscovered it about then from there it started to appear as a recreational drug. Although it was not very common and I was fortunate to be in the right circle of people one night on the beach in Goa, India. I later started to see it through friends in Australia in the late 70s as it's use was encouraged through the infamous Orange people and i knew people involved with this strange religious group. The rest was history as it became synonymous with the whole rave scene........... if only I had a time machine:!
 
Well there you go. New news to me, and I thought I knew Ecstasy :P

Also at OND43X I'm gonna disagree about the point you made saying "Firstly MDMA will need to have its name 'cleaned' so to speak cos the media and governemnt and most ppl who buy the stuff still link xtc pills with mdma"

Purely because I think most people who are non-drug users, just know ecstasy as ecstasy. My friends who don't take drugs If I said MDMA to them they would have no idea what I was talking about. The name I think would be better if it came out as MDMA not ecstasy or something new.

That way the media could say "we are legalising MDMA, which is ecstasy but not the stuff that is found on the streets, this is much safer etc"
 
De quincy said:
Yes, it became very popular in the mid 80s but was around, if you new about it from the mid 70s. As Shulgin rediscovered it about then from there it started to appear as a recreational drug. Although it was not very common and I was fortunate to be in the right circle of people one night on the beach in Goa, India. I later started to see it through friends in Australia in the late 70s as it's use was encouraged through the infamous Orange people and i knew people involved with this strange religious group. The rest was history as it became synonymous with the whole rave scene........... if only I had a time machine:!
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Mdma was indeed available in the 1970's ... the Sanyassins or "Orange" people were the main players back then. Where they were Mdma was and certainly there were many Sanyassins in Goa in the mid to late 70's.. and still to this day.
 
@De quincy:
Thanks for bringing some research into this, I knew I had heard info supporting this but couldn't find any when starting the thread :)
 
outright, yes i reckon lack of mdma has led to increased use of alcohol (among other drugs)
so therefore alcohol (& other drug) fuelled violence may be increasing

i think this violence also weighs considerably on the personality of a person
and the environment and people surroundng them

i know i have been drinking more since pills have become a by-gone
but i am no more violent on alcohol than i am on pills, so its really what you make of it

nevertheless, mdma needs to make a comeback
everyone misses you mdma :(
 
I Have a story id like to share i went to a club would have been last year around sept the club was a "higher class club" no one was really on drugs just drinking alot of drunk people and a huge fight started due to people being drunk witch led to some1 getting badly Injured from that club i went into a club witch people call junky and so on went in there every1 was happy rolling i kid you not every1 was talking i saw heaps of people make new friends kicking back in smoking room it was good 90% of people would have been rolling

im not saying this is always the case but i do think alchi makes people more vilent were mdma make you more happy and loveyy take care guys
 
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