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Zebrafish,

Man, what a sad story you re-told! That's what I truly don't understand. Why would people suffering from this LTC feel the need to do MDMA again? I'm sorry, but that's insanity.

Don't be that guy please. Some of us may have underlying reasons that pushes them to make choices. You can't call that insanity as they may think that giving up that, may be losing a big part of their life and at the time, is bigger than the comedown itself. Im not talking of myself because I made peace with not doing it, but for others. Have some empathy.
 
Alright. Enough of this debating and negative though current. Im currently at 2 months exactly since the beggining of my symptoms. Ill post when I reach 4 months, hopefully with good news to cheer you people up and the new ones that come and seek help. I'll stay off unnecesary stimulants and alcohol, and will 110% surely not roll again, after these very strong post you guys just submitted. I hope to see the familiar users here that helped me when I come back.

Thanks alot. I was alone, but never I would of thought bluelight would be so nice and kind to me.

Stay clean, stay healthy and beat the shit out of that LTC guy.

PS: i dont want to sound retarded or anything. But it was the first time I had a very long sexual intercourse the other day. After 45 mins, we were done and when I stood up, 95% of my symptoms were vanished, literally. I just thought it could be interesting to share. It gave me hope. Maybe endorphins? Serotonin release? Idk.
 
PS: i dont want to sound retarded or anything. But it was the first time I had a very long sexual intercourse the other day. After 45 mins, we were done and when I stood up, 95% of my symptoms were vanished, literally. I just thought it could be interesting to share. It gave me hope. Maybe endorphins? Serotonin release? Idk.
Like I said before I think this is purely drug trauma. You have anxiety, which has manifested substantially. The sex took your mind off things, releasing pleasure too, so you probably was symptom free but at the back of your head you thought it was going to stay, making you 95%. What we all really need to do is forget about it and relax. Once it's out of our concious (finally getting out of mine) we need to get it out of our subconscious and just forget this ever happened. This is why I believe people got better after many months-a year.

When I think about that night, it's like a nightmare. I get all worried thinking about it. I honestly believe it's like a mild form of PTSD. I remember the first month, I was super aware of everything in the room, like if fly went past I would want to jump out of my body because it would interfere with the peace in the room. Now I can sit in the living room downstairs with many things going on and keep focused on whatever I'm doing. But of course I still get phases throughout the day of anxiety and worry, like the one I'm having just this minute. I really need to stop getting on this website because it's becoming a ritual now and I'm beginning to think it's pulling me back, however it's so comforting talking to people in the same seat as me!

This article is pretty interesting:
http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publ...ionid=wv650bd43245ce405884dd789794894544#pub4
 
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Thanks for repplying. Its mostly mental but the HPPD symptoms just dont check out on the diagnosis were making here. I'm far from recovery but I absolutelly know for sure I feel better than last month.

STAY STRONG. Dont give up. Even if you are not improving day to day,it doesnt mean it wont ever. I really feel bad for Somedud, i cried a little yeserday, but keep in mind that quitting, abandonning, only removes all the chances of life getting better.


"The Man who says he can, and the man who says he can not.. Are both correct"
Just gotta let time do it's job to find out!
 
Don't be that guy please. Some of us may have underlying reasons that pushes them to make choices. You can't call that insanity as they may think that giving up that, may be losing a big part of their life and at the time, is bigger than the comedown itself. Im not talking of myself because I made peace with not doing it, but for others. Have some empathy.

Empathy for what? You've done a drug that caused you substantial harm and I am supposed to have empathy for someone who wants to do it again? Ok. Sure. Not happening. Like I said, that is not only stupid it's insane!
 
Empathy for what? You've done a drug that caused you substantial harm and I am supposed to have empathy for someone who wants to do it again? Ok. Sure. Not happening. Like I said, that is not only stupid it's insane!

Realize that giving up MDMA means giving up friends and a way of life for many people. I think we could be considerate of that, and try to elucidate for people exactly why it would be bad to take it again. I agree that it can seem like insanity, I've never considered doing it again, but I can definitely understand how the "pull" of a group of friends, edm scene, way of life, could make someone try to rationalize doing MDMA again.
 
Empathy for what? You've done a drug that caused you substantial harm and I am supposed to have empathy for someone who wants to do it again? Ok. Sure. Not happening. Like I said, that is not only stupid it's insane!

Empathy because you have the capacity within you to be empathetic towards MDMA users, as you were one yourself, were you not?

When someone grows accustomed to a certain lifestyle, it's not easy to simply stop. It's almost like trying to not be yourself.

I was a mess after I became severely ill due to a bad roll, yes. But what I've never told anyone is that, part of the reason why I was so miserable was because I loved raving, loved the rave scene much more so than the bar scene, loved mixing my own electronic music, loved seeing others dance to my music. And after becoming ill, I had to learn to let it all go, and it was a very difficult shift for me, even though I knew it was the right decision if I wanted to improve my chances of making a recovery.

Only after I actually recovered, did I begin to feel all the sacrifices I made were worth it in the long run, but while I was still sick, I'd continually ask myself why I was going through all the trouble if I'm still feeling like shit after a year. A vulnerable mind (as mine was at the time) can really exacerbate any illness, especially if it's chronic and/or long term in nature.

So, I'm totally empathetic towards these BLers who feel like they wanna roll again, but were made sick by a bad roll, because I know from experience that it's not that easy to just let go of something you loved. And the fact that these people are chronically ill further complicates their feelings towards it IMO.

Wish there was an "easy" button that I could press to cure all of them, as I'd do it in a heartbeat, as no one should have to go through this, regardless of the fact that life is obviously not fair.
 
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I was on a wikipedia binge to help my friend find something since he got a concussion, and I fell on the most spot-on symptoms I have. Im not saying its that or whatever, im just saying its very interesting how some conditions match what we have almost perfectly.

PCS, is a set of symptoms that may continue for weeks, months, or occasionally a year or more after a concussion – a mild form of traumatic brain injury.

-dizzyness
-difficulty concentrating
-difficulties with memory
-sensivity to light/sound
-decreased taste or smell
-blurry vision
-insomnia/fatigue
-irritability
-low emotion response, apathy
-anxiety/depression
-TENSION-LIKE HEADACHE

THINKING you have permanent brain damage or such thoughts INCREASE the symptoms alot. I think thats what I got out of that find.

EDIT: OOPS! Having depression, post-traumatic stress disorder, or chronic pain virtually guarantees that a person will report symptoms resembling those of PCS.

Ahahahahha thats funny tho, I literally just did what the article mentionned at the end.
 
I was a massive part of the Ninety's rave scene I always used to mix my E with speed and was on it every weekend for 5 years 3 maybe four pills at an all night party or 1 maybe 2 pills at a club that shut at 2 am. I went to Ibiza used every night Aya Nappa used every night. Stopped using Es when I got married and settled down apart from comedowns the next day. And ruff as fuck for 3 days max after a holiday all has been fine. I dont know if the OP is getting proper MDMA or we were in the 90s but they were fantastic pills as I remember. I an now in my 40s and have no serious problems. The government promised me problems but I never got any. viva la MDMA aka E
 
Its not the chemicals themselves, its how your body and mind responds that causes this sir. As for damage, you most certainely have some neurological damage, but yourself cant percieve it really. Many many studies reveal that frequent and heavy use leads to changes in the brain and at one point or another, deals damahe to it, and other organs. Its undenyable.
 
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I was a massive part of the Ninety's rave scene I always used to mix my E with speed and was on it every weekend for 5 years 3 maybe four pills at an all night party or 1 maybe 2 pills at a club that shut at 2 am. I went to Ibiza used every night Aya Nappa used every night. Stopped using Es when I got married and settled down apart from comedowns the next day. And ruff as fuck for 3 days max after a holiday all has been fine. I dont know if the OP is getting proper MDMA or we were in the 90s but they were fantastic pills as I remember. I an now in my 40s and have no serious problems. The government promised me problems but I never got any. viva la MDMA aka E

It is true that, at least in the case of North America, as time has passed since 1985 when MDMA was placed on Schedule I of the CSA in the US, the average purity of ecstasy pills has gone progressively down to the point where nowadays, about 1 in 4 pills which are sized by the DEA contains only MDMA. 75% (or 3 in 4) of the pills seized contain a mixture of RCs (methylone, mephedrone, MDPV), piperazines (BZP, TFMPP, MCPP), amphetamines (usually meth), caffeine, ephedrine, OTC medications (diphenhydramine, acetaminophen/paracetamol, ibuprofen), PMA, PMMA, MDA, MDEA, and sometimes an average amount to no MDMA whatsoever.

I believe it would be irresponsible to claim that all bad rolls which have resulted in a protracted, chronic myriad of symptoms is never due to an adulterated ecstasy pill.

Many drugs - regardless of whether they are manufactured in clandestine labs, or by a pharmaceutical company - which have been found in dirty ecstasy pills or even molly capsules may interact dangerously with MDMA.

Diphenhydramine for example, has been shown to inhibit the reuptake of serotonin, and also the cytochrome P450 2D6 liver enzyme, which is used by the body to break down MDMA into inactive metabolites.

I also recall back in the late 90s never having a problem with bunk pills. Every ecstasy pill back then was either pure MDMA, or on occasion, a mixture of MDA+MDMA, and very rarely, MDEA. As the years passed, and we got into 2002, 2003, 2004, and so forth... the incidence of bunk pills gradually increased. But at least, the bunk pills weren't full of piperazines, RCs, etc. At worst, it turned out to be a meth bomb, and even that was rare.

Fast forward 5 years and my my, how the scene has changed for the worst. Nasty ass pills now (not all of them, but most) - at least in my part of North America.

For the record, I'm not suggesting that MDMA isn't dangerous, because it sure can be. However, compared to the adulterant drugs typically found in the average pill (RCs, pipes), I'd be willing to bet my left nut that they're more risky than MDMA.
 
cheers for your reply ro4eva I am from the UK and my experience of the E pill back then was great some fantastic nights and all of the pills week in week out had the same buzz some were stronger than others and some of my favourite tabs had a picture of a dove on them and the ones with the Mitsubishi logo were good also. All or most of the E back then was smuggled from Holland. All the pills back then made you feel loved up people were just going around hugging each other the 90s hippie movement. I never once saw a fight at a Rave which was and still is a common occurrence at drinking clubs. The price of Es back then were steep and I believe you can buy 4 or 5 pills now for what you used to pay for 1 of them 20+ years ago.Just goes to show that cheap and nasty RCs are being used nowadays in the UK.
 
We will have to agree to disagree. My problems stem from doing MDMA for the 3rd or 4th time in my life and I've never sought it out. Every time I've done it it's just sort of been around, but that is neither here nor there.

How important is your actual life to you vs certain friends or a scene or whatever? That is what we are talking about here. If it was known that doing a drug again would almost certainly kill you, would you ask "do you think I can do it again" or would you do it again? I think not. And if you would, you are, as I said, insane or trying to commit suicide.
 
rphilli72 - Are you just going to continue adding your opinion over and over again while people disagree and give legitimate reasons, just for you to bite back with a counter argument about how your opinion is the only one that makes sense? It seems like you're only looking to argue and sound right. You're sounding like a broken record. Perhaps just leave it alone and find some other threads to post in instead of this one. I think you've made your point in this one.
 
rphilii72 sorry to hear of your bad experience with MDMA. I personally look back at my Rave days with warmth and affection I was glad to be part of a movement that back in the day swept the Nation and then the World. I have only positive feedback on some great times some great friends and some Epic nights. I am sorry for your bad experiences some people can be allergic to MDMA but then again some people can be allergic to peanuts
 
I realize that parts of this reply may be rhetorical (and perhaps not necessarily directed towards myself), but I'd like to answer nonetheless.

We will have to agree to disagree. My problems stem from doing MDMA for the 3rd or 4th time in my life and I've never sought it out. Every time I've done it it's just sort of been around, but that is neither here nor there.

That is a fundamental difference between you and I, or others perhaps, as I've actively sought out MDMA for decades.

I have strong feelings about the drug, as I suffer from some PTSD due to experiencing some childhood things which I wish I could forget. And while other prescription medications have not done a very good job (in my case at least) of exerting an effective therapeutic effect, my first time using MDMA was profound, in that, I felt as if all those mental walls I put up over the years due to childhood trauma were somehow gone.

How important is your actual life to you vs certain friends or a scene or whatever?

If you were to ask me this question 10-20 years ago, my answer would most certainly be much different from what it is now.

That being said, I value my life very much, as well as my health. After becoming ill and thankfully recovering, I've learned (the hard way) that it certainly (must take) precedence over almost everything, including friends, hobbies, raves, recreational drugs, etc. That is, if I wish to make it to my retirement and beyond.

IMO, my greatest failure is that I was extremely reckless for a period of about 5 years leading up to my date with a shitty ass fate.

If it was known that doing a drug again would almost certainly kill you, would you ask "do you think I can do it again" or would you do it again? I think not. And if you would, you are, as I said, insane or trying to commit suicide.

If I knew that there was an "almost certain" chance that using a specific drug would very likely kill me, of course I wouldn't use it. That is regardless of the fact that the drug would cause me to feel pure euphoria for several hours.

Be that as it may, I don't consider MDMA use to have an "almost certain" chance of killing me. Never have, never will. Countless people around the world use the drug every day. And if almost all of those people died, you'd read about it here (and the ones that did manage to survive would probably be in some hospital, and you'd read about that here as well).

Furthermore, a little over 7 months after I recovered, I went to my first rave in 2+ years. And after a bit of indecision and doing some testing on the MDMA (which I had never bothered to do in the past), I decided to roll.

Boy, was I terrified that I was gonna undo all the work/time/effort I put in towards my recovery, which took 19 months. Was so worried in fact, that I ended up using some Xanax to calm me down. Thankfully, in the end, I was fine, and I had a fantastic night. Felt like old times, which I really missed (and still do).

As insane as it would be to use a drug which would "almost certainly" kill me, I think it's also insane to discuss MDMA use as if it's just about, or more dangerous than PMA. And to be honest, I've seen legal drugs (alcohol and nicotine) do a lot more damage than any MDMA ever did (1 death every 8 seconds due to tobacco use and 1 death every 10 seconds due to alcohol consumption) yet the mainstream media rarely seems to give a shit, where as if one person dies from ecstasy use, it's front page news. That doesn't mean the latter drug isn't dangerous (it's a potent drug after all), but again, certainly not something with a very high mortality rate.
 
rphilli72 spews nothing but negativity. I agree with the others. are you here to judge and criticize or to find support and converse with people who are going through the same thing as you. gtfo here with that. All that bullshit you type doesn't help you or any of us get better. fuck you!
 
A strange little thing, but I looked at some old photos about an hour and a half ago from before one-off MDMA use and my anxiety has completely disappeared for tonight it seems! Purely believe I've created this shroud from my OCD/Hypochondria. Even though I'm feeling one million times better than I was a month ago, I think it's time to just forget it even happened.

Hopefully I won't be visiting this website for a long while now!
 
rphilli72 spews nothing but negativity. I agree with the others. are you here to judge and criticize or to find support and converse with people who are going through the same thing as you. gtfo here with that. All that bullshit you type doesn't help you or any of us get better. fuck you!

I think we are being a little too hard on rphilli72, although he shouldn't care too much because this is an anonymous forum after all.

Some of us on here are literally fighting for our lives because of this comedown. There are people on this forum who, because of the effects of MDMA, have lost their careers, dropped out of school, are on high dose psychiatric medications, or even lost their lives. These are major losses that helps define one's life and future. So what rphilli72 is saying is not unreasonable. If a certain drug has cause such bad effects as to cause these hugely detrimental changes in our lives, to take the risk of doing that drug again and incurring more severe symptoms can be considered "insane."

Similarly, imagine a man who just had a major heart attack. If he then continued to eat foods high in cholesterol and fat, his family may view him as "insane." He may even be accustomed his whole life to eating high cholesterol foods to the point that it is a way of life for him. He may eat those foods because it gives him comfort in a world that is otherwise very hard for him.

However, if he continues to eat those foods, the risk of a subsequent fatal heart attack is quite high.

While I wouldn't call people who want to do MDMA again insane, the message that rphilli72 gives is quite reasonable: if you value your mental health, cognitive capacity, and your future, then taking MDMA again while still suffering from your previous use may be a risk that is not worth taking. Even if that means changing your way of life.
 
^^ I read your post about Somedud, and it really saddened me. Wish I would have been on more at the time to notice that he was suffering. Perhaps I (or someone else) may have been able to offer some meaningful guidance. It's so tragic to hear about his story.

Hopefully you're in a better place now Somedud, sorry I didn't take notice of your despair :(
 
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