I posted about this once or twice without any answer so i'll ask again to see if anyone is in position to answer. I am prescribbed 40mg Vyvanse. Since it's a pretty effective stim(amp) of the csn, am I gonna go back to square one if I start using it again, will it worsen the damage I caused to myself, or will it have little or no impact since it's low dosage and therapeutic?
Hi me2point0,
I got really sick back on June 7th, 2005 due to a bad roll, and was able to recover within 19 months (about January 2007).
I rolled again for the first time since becoming sick on July 19th, 2007, and it didn't cause me to go backwards whatsoever.
I was prescribed Vyvanse a few months ago, and I've been taking it ever since. Currently on 70mg daily, and it hasn't caused me any problems with respect to going back to square one.
Vyvanse mainly affects dopamine levels in the brain, whereas, MDMA mainly affects serotonin levels in the brain. Therefore, I don't think there should be a problem with taking it.
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TLDR (Too Long, Didn't Read) Version: "Therapeutic" as opposed to "Recreational" can be misleading, depending on how it's used by a healthcare professional.
As stated above, I'm currently on Vyvanse 70mg daily, prescribed to me by my psychiatrist. And I'm assuming your 40mg capsules of Vyvanse was Rx'd by a "shrink" as well me2point0?
About something being therapeutic or recreational - I think there's this
big misconception out there that, if an FDA approved drug, which can make you feel "high," is prescribed to you by a doctor of medicine (a.k.a. an MD) instead of sold to you off the black market, it's radically safer to use.
Stereotypical Individual said:
Oh but it is, because he's a 'pro-fession-al!'
The sad truth is that your (or my) Psychiatrist is not necessarily that much more informed about the potential risks and benefits about a certain drug. And the reason for that is because he usually depends on five things in order to decide whether it wouldn't hurt to try to put you on a particular medication (or in other words, whether the benefits outweigh the risks):
1) A Summarized History of Patient Health Problems -- Physical & mental health problems/issues, usually including any past surgery performed, and any current prescription medications in use (and possibly what for), as well as martial status, profession, educational level, and possibly whether the patient is a convicted felon.
2) A Summarized History of Patient Drug Abuse -- Usually, MDs will ask about the patient's history of drug abuse (if any); and a significant portion of MDs will not consider the past and/or present consumption of alcoholic beverages, tobacco/nicotine products, and large amounts of daily caffeine intake as drug abuse, even if they can smell it on him/her. Furthermore, depending on their personal views, many of them now also do not consider recreational marijuana use as drug abuse (based on personal experience). I've even met one MD who doesn't consider MDMA use as drug abuse (not that I'm suggesting he should).
3) Objective Medical Evidence or DSM Reference -- Psychiatrists usually cannot order blood, urine, and/or diagnostic imaging (X-ray, CT Scan, MRI) testing in order to detect or verify whether the patient is suffering from a mental health problem. Since any "Objective Medical Evidence" is not possible, the MD will refer to a very large, occasionally revised behemoth of a book known as "The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders" (or DSM for short) in order to cross-reference the patient's stated symptoms with whatever symptoms this book claims correlates with a diagnosis of a specific mental disorder.
4) Treatment Options -- Once a diagnosis is formally made, the MD will refer to possible treatment options, which, due to his profession as a Doctor of Medicine who specializes in the study of Psychiatry, will usually prefer to attempt to treat such a diagnosis mainly through the use of mind-altering substances, or more specifically, FDA approved, ADD-indicated psychotropic drugs.
5) Course of Treatment -- If a course of prescription drug treatment is decided upon by the MD, he will usually decide on a specific drug based on the patient's history of physical & mental health problems/issues + any current prescription medications in use + whether the patient has a history of drug abuse + any contraindications listed in the prescription drug manufacturer's "Doctor Prescribing Information" document(s).
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The point I'm trying to make is that, a doctor will decide on my medication partially based on trust towards the manufacturer of the drug Vyvanse. And as we know, many of these pharmaceutical giants regularly omit important information about their products/drugs in order to obtain FDA approval.
As a result, in many cases, this omition of vital information has resulted in the tragic deaths of countless patients. And what sort of punishment is handed out towards these companies? A slap on the wrist in the form of a fine, which may seem like a lot of money, but is pocket change to these corporate leviathans. No prison time whatsoever.
On top of that, some MDs will base their opinions on outdated or scientifically inaccurate information.
The worst example I can think of is memory issues. Case in point: I had to deal with a doctor who began arguing with me that the NSAID painkiller Toradol (Ketorolac) is a narcotic medication, and accused me of abusing it when I told him that I increased my dosage without asking him or another MD.
So um, my recommendation to you (or anyone else) would be to do as much research as you can on whatever drugs you are currently prescribed, and also, whatever drugs you use (or have used in the past) recreationally, as there is a lot of misinformation being passed around by the media, law enforcement, pro-drug war bureaucrats, and anyone else who profits from the drug war (which is a lot of people).
Also, IMO, it'll help you tremendously to watch the documentaries titled, "How to Make Money Selling Drugs" and "The House I Live In" because I believe it'll aid you in gaining an understanding as to why many drugs became illegal in the first place (hint: it had nothing to do with health concerns).
Lastly, if you do decide that you wanna roll again, please make sure that you test your pills/capsules/powder/shards before consuming. It can be the difference between life and death. And if you don't know where to order an ecstasy testing kit from, feel free to shoot me a PM. Remember this: There will always be another party or rave, but you only have one life. What's more important - skipping a rave because you spent some money on a testing kit, or using that money to attend the rave and buy some ecstasy? It's a rhetorical question, but you get the idea.
I apologize if I sound like your parents, but as a humanist, it pains me to hear or read about (for example) another raver dropping dead at some popular music festival, and afterwards, discovering that the deceased had unknowningly ingested PMMA.
I wish you the very best me2point0, take care
