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Probably it's not worth the risk if Ur unsure then I wouldn't take the chance
2C-X
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Don't do it db1995, it's a bad idea!
I had that same idea when I was in my LTC, so I took a micro-dose of 2C-B and I had a step back for some days, nothing dramatic, but it was still a step back. So I guess other psychedelics based on serotonin (5-HT2A) will also have a negative effect on your LTC
keep in mind that I took only 2mg of 2C-B and that was enough to increase my symptoms for 3 days, so if I had taken a full dose (15mg-20mg) things would have been ugly for a couple of weeks
You'll have your time to take drugs again, I'm 100% recovered and I can now take drugs/alcohol/caffeine without any problem, it took me 14 months to fully recover!!!
But for now is not the time bro, let your brain recover, is overstimulated, don't add more stress...believe me
(sorry for my English)
I had that same idea when I was in my LTC, so I took a micro-dose of 2C-B and I had a step back for some days, nothing dramatic, but it was still a step back. So I guess other psychedelics based on serotonin (5-HT2A) will also have a negative effect on your LTC
keep in mind that I took only 2mg of 2C-B and that was enough to increase my symptoms for 3 days, so if I had taken a full dose (15mg-20mg) things would have been ugly for a couple of weeks
You'll have your time to take drugs again, I'm 100% recovered and I can now take drugs/alcohol/caffeine without any problem, it took me 14 months to fully recover!!!
But for now is not the time bro, let your brain recover, is overstimulated, don't add more stress...believe me
(sorry for my English)
2C-X
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To be honest I don't know the exact mechanism of 2C-B, LSD or shrooms in the brain, so I can't give you a neurological or scientific answer of why these drugs are bad for your LTC.
In fact we don't even know what are the causes of this condition, we don't know if it is something psychological or neurological...so we can't give an exact answer of why something affects the LTC, we can only speculate.
But I can speak from my experience: phenethylamines/tryptamines worsen your symptoms for days or even weeks, in fact they can worsen your LTC permanently...I don't want to scare anyone but I have read some horror stories of people who tried to fight fire with fire and ended up worse, and when I say worse I mean: epilepsy, full HPPD, nausea, balance problems...a real hell. I personally tried 2C-B and LSD in small doses and only got negative results, the symptoms get worse for some days and the "high" is weird, you feel anxious and uncomfortable...you feel close to a bad trip, and of course a bad trip is the last thing you want if you have LTC (which is supposed to have a strong anxiety component).
I understand that when you are in your LTC you want to try EVERYTHING to recover, you want your life back, and the idea of taking psychedelics to "reset" your brain is there...but the fact is that I've never read a story of someone with LTC who has improved after taking some psychedelic.
It's not worth it to me...
In fact we don't even know what are the causes of this condition, we don't know if it is something psychological or neurological...so we can't give an exact answer of why something affects the LTC, we can only speculate.
But I can speak from my experience: phenethylamines/tryptamines worsen your symptoms for days or even weeks, in fact they can worsen your LTC permanently...I don't want to scare anyone but I have read some horror stories of people who tried to fight fire with fire and ended up worse, and when I say worse I mean: epilepsy, full HPPD, nausea, balance problems...a real hell. I personally tried 2C-B and LSD in small doses and only got negative results, the symptoms get worse for some days and the "high" is weird, you feel anxious and uncomfortable...you feel close to a bad trip, and of course a bad trip is the last thing you want if you have LTC (which is supposed to have a strong anxiety component).
I understand that when you are in your LTC you want to try EVERYTHING to recover, you want your life back, and the idea of taking psychedelics to "reset" your brain is there...but the fact is that I've never read a story of someone with LTC who has improved after taking some psychedelic.
It's not worth it to me...
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Regarding microdosing, the whole concept is based on the idea of sub-threshold doses, whereby if you actually feel the effects then it isn't really a microdose.
Actually I would recommend psilocybin mushrooms which have magical abilities when it comes to resetting consciousness and also restoring much better functioning of the neurotransmitter systems.
200 mg dried shroooms per day, sub threshold. It is reported increasingly to have marvelous healing powers for an incredibly broad range of conditions, situations and individuals.
I hear the expressed concerns above about not wanting to exacerbate things. But I also genuinely feel that there is too much potential in proper microdosing to ruke it out, out of fear. When it could be remarkably healing and transformative.
I only took 2CB once in 1999. But I definitely don't think we can draw too strong a conclusion about microdosing in general in relation to LTC, based on a subjectively negative 2CB microdose, which importantly could possibly have been a little bit too high to be a true microdose.
But also it is very reassuring to hear @2C-X that this only spiked your symptoms for 3 days at the time and even more so to hear that you have made a full or significant recovery over time very well done to you.
But the point I want to make is that sometimes things have to get worse in the process of getting better especially when it involves the psyche and the emotions and coming to terms and healing and moving on.
Maybe there is a far more significant emotional and mental aspect to LTC than we are assuming. It could be described as a form of psychosis where the sufferer is unable to comprehend the cause and nature of the cyclical negative conditioned thought patterns, feelings and perspectives.
Trapped in a loop by a maze of unhealthy, unproductive and essentially unnecessary thoughts, beliefs, fears etc.
I'm not saying it is not real and every bit as physical and mental as people describe and experience. But when a condition is so real and debilitating on the physical level we can fail to realise or believe how much it originates from the mind and emotions.
Anyway, guys Im very stoned and excessively tired, feeling pretty stupid really.
BUT- Microdosing. It is going to play a MASSIVE part in the future of mental health treatment. From my understanding the way it works is to greatly assist with the chaotic messed up unhealthy structure of thoughts and feelings I describe above.
Which if at the basis of LTC, may benefit enormously. And shrooms really are healing to the serotonin system etc, plus they have a much better, cleaner, "consciousness resetting" effect than Lsd IMO.
My last point, here is a link to a company who provide you with the microdosing capsules. US based I believe. Pure organic medicine, so there is an option for this therapy without needing to grow your own mushrooms.
I am 100% going to be micridosing myself in the nearing future. I have 1plsd and ALD-52. I will use 10ug every 3 days. Sub threshold. I am very confident about it and I expect it to be extremely beneficial for my currently severe anxiety disorder and also helping me deal with my long-term depression which is more directly related to my illness and daily suffering than anything else in life.
The link:
https://www.microdose4u.org/#
Anyway, just do some research if you are interested. Take your time, try to detach from fear and practise believing. Lol, Im a hyppocryt of a preacher. I do believe this though, in general. I do think a negative, conditioned mental state of fear plays a substantial part in LTC.
Be well everyone.
Actually I would recommend psilocybin mushrooms which have magical abilities when it comes to resetting consciousness and also restoring much better functioning of the neurotransmitter systems.
200 mg dried shroooms per day, sub threshold. It is reported increasingly to have marvelous healing powers for an incredibly broad range of conditions, situations and individuals.
I hear the expressed concerns above about not wanting to exacerbate things. But I also genuinely feel that there is too much potential in proper microdosing to ruke it out, out of fear. When it could be remarkably healing and transformative.
I only took 2CB once in 1999. But I definitely don't think we can draw too strong a conclusion about microdosing in general in relation to LTC, based on a subjectively negative 2CB microdose, which importantly could possibly have been a little bit too high to be a true microdose.
But also it is very reassuring to hear @2C-X that this only spiked your symptoms for 3 days at the time and even more so to hear that you have made a full or significant recovery over time very well done to you.
But the point I want to make is that sometimes things have to get worse in the process of getting better especially when it involves the psyche and the emotions and coming to terms and healing and moving on.
Maybe there is a far more significant emotional and mental aspect to LTC than we are assuming. It could be described as a form of psychosis where the sufferer is unable to comprehend the cause and nature of the cyclical negative conditioned thought patterns, feelings and perspectives.
Trapped in a loop by a maze of unhealthy, unproductive and essentially unnecessary thoughts, beliefs, fears etc.
I'm not saying it is not real and every bit as physical and mental as people describe and experience. But when a condition is so real and debilitating on the physical level we can fail to realise or believe how much it originates from the mind and emotions.
Anyway, guys Im very stoned and excessively tired, feeling pretty stupid really.
BUT- Microdosing. It is going to play a MASSIVE part in the future of mental health treatment. From my understanding the way it works is to greatly assist with the chaotic messed up unhealthy structure of thoughts and feelings I describe above.
Which if at the basis of LTC, may benefit enormously. And shrooms really are healing to the serotonin system etc, plus they have a much better, cleaner, "consciousness resetting" effect than Lsd IMO.
My last point, here is a link to a company who provide you with the microdosing capsules. US based I believe. Pure organic medicine, so there is an option for this therapy without needing to grow your own mushrooms.
I am 100% going to be micridosing myself in the nearing future. I have 1plsd and ALD-52. I will use 10ug every 3 days. Sub threshold. I am very confident about it and I expect it to be extremely beneficial for my currently severe anxiety disorder and also helping me deal with my long-term depression which is more directly related to my illness and daily suffering than anything else in life.
The link:
https://www.microdose4u.org/#
Anyway, just do some research if you are interested. Take your time, try to detach from fear and practise believing. Lol, Im a hyppocryt of a preacher. I do believe this though, in general. I do think a negative, conditioned mental state of fear plays a substantial part in LTC.
Be well everyone.
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ZeroLuck
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Today I've took 40mg propranolol, 2 times through the day and... wow this destroyed my anxiety. It's not like I stop being worried, but... makes me not care about LTC or my past at all. It's very cheap medicine, and no bad side effects, maybe the worst I've read is reversible hair loss.
My memory is a little better.
My memory is a little better.
listen, let me tell you that I have a few friends who have identical symptoms as you, only after marijuana, which you must get rid of because it breaks down your body, it will pass over time
ZeroLuck
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If you suggest I smoke pot, I don't. I even rarely drink. Did your friends had immediate cognitive issues after the last use or it built up gradually?
they gradually developed, they contracted just anxiety neurosis, i.e. who would prefer ltc
I mean that drugs can activate different mental disorders and it does not matter if it's amphetamines, cocaine or mdma, the profile is similar, nay, I know some people who have similar symptoms to those described here and never used drugs in their lives, psyche
I mean that drugs can activate different mental disorders and it does not matter if it's amphetamines, cocaine or mdma, the profile is similar, nay, I know some people who have similar symptoms to those described here and never used drugs in their lives, psyche
they gradually developed, they contracted just anxiety neurosis, i.e. who would prefer ltc
I mean that drugs can activate different mental disorders and it does not matter if it's amphetamines, cocaine or mdma, the profile is similar, nay, I know some people who have similar symptoms to those described here and never used drugs in their lives, psyche
I was about to give psychedelics a try (2C-B or mushrooms in particular) to see if they can somehow ease off the remaining anxiety I have (6 months in it's getting slowly better) but your post maybe changed my mind and u might be right regarding the fact they are based on serotonin.
Has someone tried phenibut? Do you feel better / any relapses?
I have been here for some time, so I decided to share my story, I am an alcoholic child, I have always had a lot of fear since I was a child, I discovered porn early and started to run away, I started to burn some marijuana in college and one day my friend persuaded mnei on mdma, I was very good but I agreed, I took it so on average, one month after this event I got a panic attack but after a few days everything returned to normal (it was a period when I was overdoing alcohol, I decided to give one more chance, 4 months later) we took it with our friends, not a large dose (130mg) was divine, the best day in my life, 2 months later, I took mdma 120 mg plus after a few hours 100mg blush was divine, here I made a small mistake because next time I took just 2 weekly but there was a good opportunity, again 120 plus 100 mg, everything was git, after about I got a panic attack again and a slight depression, everything went over a week, I felt normal, I started to like life more on the "phase" I started to bend more with porn and masturbation too much alcohol, my memory has become worse and worse, more or less a year after this event, after a month where I had a lot of stress (examinations) when stress subsided my head ached (typically tension aches) as many of you have mentioned here, instead of giving my body a break I fled into alcohol, depression appeared, fears, brainfrogs, worse and worse, I've been alive for 2 years, continuing to abuse alcohol and marijuana sometimes, for porn and so hardcore, my memory has become hopeless, brainfrogi more frequent, fear, headache from morning to night for a few months, I said enough, since the new year I have implemented the project "healthy life" I rejected alcohol, ga nje, and porn, I say so I am already 4.5 months in this mode, I had acute withdrawal symptoms and I still have, especially flatline (porn) now lists what I had and what I now have
I had
- daily headaches
medicines
depression
brainforgi,
weak memory
lack of concentration
paresthesia, etc., etc.
body pain
tachycardia
my body looked horrible, eyes turned up, dry skin, etc.
I have :
much better memory
concentration better
fears less often
brainforgi less often
Headaches start to subside
better control over stress
increase in motivation
euphoric states
days when he feels god
what I'm aiming for, 95% of your symptoms and symptoms are pure psyche and fatigue of the body, I also wound up with my brain, cancer, etc. These thoughts are very destructive, the body has great regenerative potential only need to give him time and fuel (healthy diet)
I started to
to supplement vitamins
eat a lot of vegetables
to run
meditate
drink curcuma with pepper
water with lemon
zero porn and masturbation
I feel for about 78% of my old potential but there were days that I felt at 150% so it was fine, the brain strives for balance and it will last, I know that over 10 years of porn and 3 years of alcohol abuse, marijuana, etc. has done its job, but it regenerates and you will all come back to you,
ps I noticed this at my place and many of my friends also confirms that drugs may not help and even harm, it is better to give the organism a natural and regenerate
good luck and remember, it's a waste of time for drugs, drugs, alcohol cigarettes, life is beautiful and you have to experience it beautifully!
Peace and love
I had
- daily headaches
medicines
depression
brainforgi,
weak memory
lack of concentration
paresthesia, etc., etc.
body pain
tachycardia
my body looked horrible, eyes turned up, dry skin, etc.
I have :
much better memory
concentration better
fears less often
brainforgi less often
Headaches start to subside
better control over stress
increase in motivation
euphoric states
days when he feels god
what I'm aiming for, 95% of your symptoms and symptoms are pure psyche and fatigue of the body, I also wound up with my brain, cancer, etc. These thoughts are very destructive, the body has great regenerative potential only need to give him time and fuel (healthy diet)
I started to
to supplement vitamins
eat a lot of vegetables
to run
meditate
drink curcuma with pepper
water with lemon
zero porn and masturbation
I feel for about 78% of my old potential but there were days that I felt at 150% so it was fine, the brain strives for balance and it will last, I know that over 10 years of porn and 3 years of alcohol abuse, marijuana, etc. has done its job, but it regenerates and you will all come back to you,
ps I noticed this at my place and many of my friends also confirms that drugs may not help and even harm, it is better to give the organism a natural and regenerate
good luck and remember, it's a waste of time for drugs, drugs, alcohol cigarettes, life is beautiful and you have to experience it beautifully!
Peace and love
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Hey guys any helpful insight would be appreciated! I got caught in the MDMA wave last year and was doing i every couple months or so at festivals. Had fantastic times! lol Until, my last binder which consisted of 3 days in a row (5 beans).... On the third night i believe i had seretonin syndrome which was the worst experience of my life and i vowed to never touch MDMA again. I had ahorrible come down, which i got over, not much worse then previous ones i had. Then about two weeks after is when the problems started to occur. I began having vicious panic attacks, at first which i didnt know what they were. These would happen every few days for a couple months, a long with depersonalization and horrible anxiety. Im 6 months passed my binder now, and i still experience an occasional panic attack, as well as nightly anxiety. I seem to get through my day perfectly fine, but at night is when i get anxious. I get weird body twitches, and have pretty much constant feeling of shortness of breath. I def believe im not quite as smart as i used to be but nothing that effects my daily life. The symptoms seem to come in waves varying in intensity. This doesnt seem to be resolving itself as quickly as id like it to. Does anyone have experiences like this? I spoke to a doctor who tried to put me on an SSRI which i couldnt tolerate, and tricyclic antidepressent which brought my brain zaps back and degraded my sleep for the past two weeks lol. Im convinced that id rather deal with the side effects then take meds. My main concern is sleeping, as i feel myself jumping awake several times a night, and some nights i have repeated brain zaps for hours until i can sleep. Just wondering if theres others out there and if they have any advice! Im fine, and feel confident i can get back to my old self one day, my quality of life just seems to be degraded from one stupid ignorant decision of mine, and shitty luck.
hi, the standard is very possible that your psyche concealed hidden fears somewhere and work out what came out, the biochemistry of the brain was disturbed, the brain will seek homeostasis only it will take a little bit, maybe a few months to 2 years, drugs can generally extend this process because they also disrupt biochemistry , the brain has to grasp itself, live healthy, do sports, turmeric, omega 3, pass
yes, because in most cases the psyche plays the biggest role here, drugs can be triggers of various mental disorders, that's why a lot of people also have disorder after marijuana when other piles for many years and nothing is wrong