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I recently tested L-tryptophan and results are mixed.

It helped me sleep tight and long, but I got bizarre, intense, sweaty dreams. Including lots of false awakenings and having trouble to convince yourself you're actually awake. Maybe 800mg was too much, I tested 400mg and it seemed to suit me better.

I think I will save this stuff for when I'm really bad after MDMA. Thing is also, I wasn't that bad when testing it, so bit of a shitty experiment of mine. On the other hand, it definitely helps with insomnia, always my main problem after MDMA.
 
Another Friday night sitting in..... I'm sick of feeling this way.... I want my life back. A week away from 4 months in and I am still not back to normal
 
I dont really know where else to go...I've posted my issues in the cannabis forum of this website, however nobody can relate to me...

Firstly, i need to say well done to everybody on these long-term comedown threads...I can sort of relate, and i know its fucking hell going through this shit all day everyday for months, but thank god time is the healer.

Personally...i've never taken MDMA, so i feel like i dont even belong here, but yeh i kind of feel like i can relate

from 5 years of daily smoking from the ages of 16-21, i've now got social anxiety in certain situations, but i can handle this quite well
My biggest problem is that of emotional numbness/detachment...I cant laugh and i cant cry. I cant feel sad and i cant feel happy...So i have to fake my emotions/, fake laugh ect. Also i cant relate to people on an emotional level...like im not on the same wavelength as my friends... Anyways im 2 months sober and i hope i can get better 1 day...

Sometimes i think maybe its a blessing in disguise that we endure these mental and physical pains...because after we have recovered, we will have gained new perspectives and a much greater appreciation for life.

God bless you all.
 
I dont really know where else to go...I've posted my issues in the cannabis forum of this website, however nobody can relate to me...

Firstly, i need to say well done to everybody on these long-term comedown threads...I can sort of relate, and i know its fucking hell going through this shit all day everyday for months, but thank god time is the healer.

Personally...i've never taken MDMA, so i feel like i dont even belong here, but yeh i kind of feel like i can relate

from 5 years of daily smoking from the ages of 16-21, i've now got social anxiety in certain situations, but i can handle this quite well
My biggest problem is that of emotional numbness/detachment...I cant laugh and i cant cry. I cant feel sad and i cant feel happy...So i have to fake my emotions/, fake laugh ect. Also i cant relate to people on an emotional level...like im not on the same wavelength as my friends... Anyways im 2 months sober and i hope i can get better 1 day...

Sometimes i think maybe its a blessing in disguise that we endure these mental and physical pains...because after we have recovered, we will have gained new perspectives and a much greater appreciation for life.

God bless you all.

I tried to send you a pm but your inbox is full
 
I dont really know where else to go...I've posted my issues in the cannabis forum of this website, however nobody can relate to me...

Firstly, i need to say well done to everybody on these long-term comedown threads...I can sort of relate, and i know its fucking hell going through this shit all day everyday for months, but thank god time is the healer.

Personally...i've never taken MDMA, so i feel like i dont even belong here, but yeh i kind of feel like i can relate

from 5 years of daily smoking from the ages of 16-21, i've now got social anxiety in certain situations, but i can handle this quite well
My biggest problem is that of emotional numbness/detachment...I cant laugh and i cant cry. I cant feel sad and i cant feel happy...So i have to fake my emotions/, fake laugh ect. Also i cant relate to people on an emotional level...like im not on the same wavelength as my friends... Anyways im 2 months sober and i hope i can get better 1 day...

Sometimes i think maybe its a blessing in disguise that we endure these mental and physical pains...because after we have recovered, we will have gained new perspectives and a much greater appreciation for life.

God bless you all.
Man you need to clear your inbox some more, still can't send you a PM
 
Anxiety and sleep problem

Hello all,
Sorry for my bad English I have problem guys and need some help...
Before 25 days we made a party with friends.I had drink 3 cups of whine and we put 300mg mdma in 500ml water.My 3 friend was drinking tequila and beers and they drink all the water of mdma while I taste a bit just 1 time.I believe that I had drink around 40 60mg,so I was in euphoria and extra power...
Next day I had tingling in hands and a feeling of light hands.that symptoms started to vanished until 4th date
At this day I was searching internet about mdma comedowns and I had my first panic attack so I drink a cup of vodka and I fell sleep.
Next day I had anxiety that dissapeared at night but next days I was searching everyday about comedowns so anxiety start again...
After 10 days my sleep started to have problems I sleep 4 5 hours at night and I wake up after unable to sleep again....
Until now my sleep is not good when I'm going to dream I wake up but the good thing is that I can sleep 4 hours at least
My symptoms now is anxiety that comes and go and bad sleep...
I show many posts that mdma comedowns coming after a month or 2,Im really fking scared.I'm not sleeping good and I think that panic me...I don't want to tell that to my parents...I want to fight it alone,the only person that told that is my priest.
What can I do guys?do you believe that the worst are coming?what's your opinion please help me...

Thanks all
 
First, you could take supplements like L-tryptophan or 5-HTP. Or just any sleep-inducing substance. But I recently tested L-tryptophan (a little up in this thread) and it gets used a lot for MDMA recovery purposes and it certainly helped me sleep better.

Second, speaking from my own experience, it's your own anxiety, or hypervigilance, that's keeping you up. So just try anything to relax. Because that's probably why you wake up. Even when you're asleep, you're not as tranquil as you should be, and at the slightest sound or dream you'll wake up, feeling anxious. It's just a survival instinct that's going through the roof.

Maybe you'll find comfort in the fact that symptoms like the ones you mention are of a transient nature, period. In my case, all I had to do is wait it out, and sleep returned to normal. Get some exercise, and healthy food, and most importantly, regular sleep patterns. Try to laugh it off, you know... Make fun of yourself. It trivializes things, for the better.
 
Hello all,
Sorry for my bad English I have problem guys and need some help...
Before 25 days we made a party with friends.I had drink 3 cups of whine and we put 300mg mdma in 500ml water.My 3 friend was drinking tequila and beers and they drink all the water of mdma while I taste a bit just 1 time.I believe that I had drink around 40 60mg,so I was in euphoria and extra power...
Next day I had tingling in hands and a feeling of light hands.that symptoms started to vanished until 4th date
At this day I was searching internet about mdma comedowns and I had my first panic attack so I drink a cup of vodka and I fell sleep.
Next day I had anxiety that dissapeared at night but next days I was searching everyday about comedowns so anxiety start again...
After 10 days my sleep started to have problems I sleep 4 5 hours at night and I wake up after unable to sleep again....
Until now my sleep is not good when I'm going to dream I wake up but the good thing is that I can sleep 4 hours at least
My symptoms now is anxiety that comes and go and bad sleep...
I show many posts that mdma comedowns coming after a month or 2,Im really fking scared.I'm not sleeping good and I think that panic me...I don't want to tell that to my parents...I want to fight it alone,the only person that told that is my priest.
What can I do guys?do you believe that the worst are coming?what's your opinion please help me...

Thanks all

Hi Thanos90, I can understand the sleep problem. I got a friend who had this problem for a few months after his MDMA usage, and only recently he has told me it has got better.

I would advice you to cut out all caffeine, eat healthy and do a lot of exercise. I think your issue will only improve in the upcoming months, until it dissapears.

I wouldn't recommend seeing the doctor about this, because they may try prescribe you something like benzodiazepenes...ultimately you should count yourself lucky, because you haven't incurred major life-debilitating symptoms like others on this thread.
 
MDMA recovery- am I one of the "lucky" ones?

Hi guys,

I hope that some of the more experienced guys on here might be able to dismiss my fears, because I managed to severely freak myself out by reading some of the threads on here.
So here goes my story. I took MDMA 5 times this year, though I feel that the last two times are the ones where shit started getting more serious. In early May I rolled twice in a week, with one tablet on tuesday, and 1 and three quarters the following friday. The next roll was about six weeks after, on July 17th. I took three quarters of a tablet. I probably hadn't been feeling too good before this trip, because I remember some bullshit thoughts about this being a "healing experience" to unlock some sort of outgoing personality lying within me which I had discovered and lost. I was also smoking weed several times per week to daily during this time, which might explain why such hazy and dangerous thoughts made sense to me. Well, the trip was not really enjoyable with only a bit of euphoria which quickly vanished to be replaced by overanalyzing thoughts. I remember writing a note to myself which said "you are high, enjoy it". (obviously I didn't) In the same evening (or possibly still within the trip) I told myself that I had to stop smoking weed and fill my life with more real things. The weekend following the trip, which was on a wednesday I experienced classic symptoms of serotonine symptome: stomach cramps, headaches and irritability, like the flu. When I was with people I could not really participate in conversation , because my anxiety was so bad I could not at all think of anything to say. I had to study for exams soon after, but it was hard for me to read or comprehend any text from Uni. At the time I thought it might be all the weed causing it, so I stopped smoking. I also had no appetite, it took me ages to eat anything and it made me nauseous. Soon after I stopped smoking, after reducing the frequency first. Due to the severe lack of concentration I could not take any exam In July, besides one. I remember that the anxiety being so bad that I had to lie down, because nothing could distract me, I was so "locked" in. Usually in the evening I felt better and I felt "not everything is gone, It is just behind blocked by this feeling". This always gave me hope and made me continue. I retook the exams in August, and I passed all of them, to my great relief. But I still feel anxious a lot of the time, and I still feel that thinking is hard when I'm on my own. I used to talk for long stretches without stopping, but now I feel that that ability is reduced. I am now nearing the 3 and a half month mark, I think I have improved, but I am still waiting for a more significant sign. I still feel like I am seperated by a wall from my old personality, and brain fog is still really uncomfortable. I think it is not that I am not forming memories, it is like I am unable to really access them. I sometimes fear that the improvements might be due to me stopping smoking weed, and that the real recovery has progressed far less than I myself think.

Any thoughts, questions, ideas, comments?

Cheers
 
Entered the Darkside ! MDMA

Hey everyone , i went to visit my cousins and friends in berlin not so long ago , and this is where it all began .

Let me tell you a bit about myself : I workout alot ! (Gymfreak) , i never drink alcohol (used to but i now find it useless) , im 75kg/170cm (165lbs/5ft6) , and never did drugs before , only started smoking weed regularly since last year (Im 22 now) .

So its been around 8 days since i came back from berlin and i can tell you , those mood swings are some effin motherkufers !!!

What i took :

Wednesday : We bought about a gram of crystal MDMA , split it in 4 , then every 250mg into a bottle of water for each one of us . That was my first time ever taking mdma , felt some mild effects , the high , etc .. but wasnt legit ! The down was a bit hard though . Again that night , a friend gave me a small line of cocaine (which was also my first time ever) , took that aswell .

Thrusday : Rest

Friday : Hard Techno night ! This is where my life changed ! this is where i could consider myself having my first REAL MDMA experience ever . We bought 2 grams for 4 . Divided 1 gram into 4 , so same as the previous night , 250mg into each bottle of water , and kept the other gram for keeping the high going during the party (finger - tongue thing) . Felt in heaven , felt like i was flying , every time i exhaled , i felt like i was reborn . I could keep on describing the feeling for days , but im just gona get to the point . The down was brutal after that one . I couldnt even talk right . Felt like shit for a whole day . Jaw hurted a little bit from chewing . Result = around 350mg per person .

Saturday : Rest

Sunday : I went all alone , my friends couldnt handle anymore , but i couldnt miss it ! The feeling was calling ...
There was around 300-400mg left from saturdays 2 grams . Dropped about 200mg in a bottle , drank that shit , then kept around 100mg for the rest of the night . Took a quarter of a pill aswell . Dont even know how much that was . I met a friend who shared it with me , and offered a line of speed . Didnt feel any of that shit compared to the MDMA i had taken . Partied from 1am till 10am . Went home , slept , didnt feel anything bad (except my jaw was sore for the next 2 days lol) . Wasnt even feeling down .

4 days later went back home (France) . I was still feeling something smooth going on , light headed , being more open to people , more friendly , etc ..

Today marks 8 days since im back .

2 days ago , something went wrong . I kept crying for a whole day (relationship stuff) , i wana break up with my gf , but at the same time i love her . Everything is confusing me , nothing is clear . I got sick (cold) right after i came back from berlin . And yesterday was my first day of work as an interior architect . During the day i feel normal , its at around 4-5pm when im almost done with work that my mood gets fucked up . I feel sad , lost , senseless . Anyways you get it , alot of that weird shit .

What i dont understand , is why are the negative effects apprearing now ? 8 days after my last MDMA dose ?

Recap : First time ever taking drugs :
1gr of MDMA split into 3 nights (on/off/on/off/on)
1 line of coke (#noideagrams)
1 line of speed (Sorry for not being precise)
1/4 Molly

Any tips ? Experienced ones ?
How long will it take ?
How long till i can consume some more ? (Would right away if i had some , but just gona stfu atm and calm down)

Cheers guys
 
Hey everyone , i went to visit my cousins and friends in berlin not so long ago , and this is where it all began .

...

Any tips ? Experienced ones ?
How long will it take ?
How long till i can consume some more ? (Would right away if i had some , but just gona stfu atm and calm down)

Cheers guys
Moved your post into the recovery thread. Have a read, you'll find similar stories in here. A remark: serotonin syndrome is acute and very serious, it can only happen during the roll (when the MDMA was combined with something like an MAOI) not after it, so you didn't have serotonin syndrome. I have no further experience to share, so will leave the replies to members more knowledgeable on the subject
 
Hi guys,

I hope that some of the more experienced guys on here might be able to dismiss my fears, because I managed to severely freak myself out by reading some of the threads on here.
So here goes my story. I took MDMA 5 times this year, though I feel that the last two times are the ones where shit started getting more serious. In early May I rolled twice in a week, with one tablet on tuesday, and 1 and three quarters the following friday. The next roll was about six weeks after, on July 17th. I took three quarters of a tablet. I probably hadn't been feeling too good before this trip, because I remember some bullshit thoughts about this being a "healing experience" to unlock some sort of outgoing personality lying within me which I had discovered and lost. I was also smoking weed several times per week to daily during this time, which might explain why such hazy and dangerous thoughts made sense to me. Well, the trip was not really enjoyable with only a bit of euphoria which quickly vanished to be replaced by overanalyzing thoughts. I remember writing a note to myself which said "you are high, enjoy it". (obviously I didn't) In the same evening (or possibly still within the trip) I told myself that I had to stop smoking weed and fill my life with more real things. The weekend following the trip, which was on a wednesday I experienced classic symptoms of serotonine symptome: stomach cramps, headaches and irritability, like the flu. When I was with people I could not really participate in conversation , because my anxiety was so bad I could not at all think of anything to say. I had to study for exams soon after, but it was hard for me to read or comprehend any text from Uni. At the time I thought it might be all the weed causing it, so I stopped smoking. I also had no appetite, it took me ages to eat anything and it made me nauseous. Soon after I stopped smoking, after reducing the frequency first. Due to the severe lack of concentration I could not take any exam In July, besides one. I remember that the anxiety being so bad that I had to lie down, because nothing could distract me, I was so "locked" in. Usually in the evening I felt better and I felt "not everything is gone, It is just behind blocked by this feeling". This always gave me hope and made me continue. I retook the exams in August, and I passed all of them, to my great relief. But I still feel anxious a lot of the time, and I still feel that thinking is hard when I'm on my own. I used to talk for long stretches without stopping, but now I feel that that ability is reduced. I am now nearing the 3 and a half month mark, I think I have improved, but I am still waiting for a more significant sign. I still feel like I am seperated by a wall from my old personality, and brain fog is still really uncomfortable. I think it is not that I am not forming memories, it is like I am unable to really access them. I sometimes fear that the improvements might be due to me stopping smoking weed, and that the real recovery has progressed far less than I myself think.

Any thoughts, questions, ideas, comments?

Cheers
Also moved into the recovery thread. In my experience weed is a much greater inducer of anxiety than MDMA. MDMA can produce rebound anxiety, yes, but that usually only lasts a short while. It could be that this rebound anxiety coupled with smoking a lot of weed and overly worrying (do not underestimate the power your mind has over your body) is making this seem worse than it is. Try some intense exercise, preferably daily, this really helps wonders for this. In the rare cases I ever had a hangover that lasted for more than a week, exercise is what helped me get through it faster
 
I concur with BlueBill here.

I've experienced something similar years ago, and it, too, happened while I wasn't feeling too well psychologically, and after smoking weed. In hindsight, I think the weed triggered some kind of anxiety within myself, that would've come out anyway. I took me months, maybe a year even, to feel totally OK again. I don't imagine smoking pot once had caused all this. It's just this phase I had to endure one way or another. I like to think I came out stronger. And yeah, exercise did wonders for me, too. The whole thing made me quit smoking, start doing physical exercise, and adopt a healthier diet.

Recently I've been on MDMA binges much worse than what you're describing, and I didn't feel the least bit down or anxious post-use.

So I would suggest you keep laying off marihuana, first and foremost.

On a side note, don't take MDMA to try and change who you are. It always backfires, I've been there. Instead, use it to accept who you are.
 
Yeah, well, first of all, you should postpone more MDMA for now, if only because you'll lose that wonderful feeling very fast otherwise. Because of tolerance and loss of novelty and shit. Especially after binging like you did, you should respect a resting interval of preferably a few months and at least a few weeks. Well, suit yourself, but it's both unhealthy to keep binging AND you'll ruin the MDMA magic for yourself.

Second, being emotional for a few days is normal. I get it all the time. Slightest thing brings me to tears. But I don't feel bad, more like... moved. By something, like a song, or somebody's face, or whatever. It feels good, actually, but you know, in public it might seem a little strange. But appearing after 8 days, like in your case, is a bit odd. Maybe MDMA unearthed some kind of discontent and you should work things out now. Don't attribute everything to drug use. Often drugs are just a catalyst.

If it persists and keeps bothering you, you can consider replenishing your serotonin levels through supplements.

Also, don't mix substances, especially when inexperienced. Now it's practically impossible to pinpoint any cause of your troubles. Plus it's not safe. I mean, I've done it too and will do it again, but like... I should tell you it's not safe, you know...
 
Thanks for the reply guys, but I am still concerned.

I have been off weed for almost three months now, I don't want to dismiss it as a factor, but I think what I am experiencing is mostly due to MDMA. I think I haven't described the symptoms I am still experiencing accurately enough.

I am experiencing brain fog and learning difficulties. I am usually quite intelligent and creative, but I now struggle to understand and come up with good responses to things I hear, for example arguments. Merely understanding and keeping in my head what was said is sometimes hard. I also have occasional stuttering, which I did not have previously.

Recalling information from my memory is difficult. For example, I went to a movie last week. When I came out I knew that it was funny, but it is difficult to impossible to recall certain scenes. When somebody mentioned something I'd remember.
Everything feels sluggish when I search for something specific.

Being straightforward and organized when I go shopping is exhausting, I need to concentrate hard to get everything together. Uni restarts soon and still have to finish a term paper, but I fear that I am not up to it with my greatly diminished capabilities. I feel bad a lot of the time when I am alone with my thoughts, I am always trying to remind myself that this condition is temporary and should get better soon.

Now that I have passed the three month mark 2 weeks ago, I start to fear that this could be one of those 6 month+ LTCs I have been reading about on here. (I know it is stupid to freak myself out, but I hoped to see major improvements at the 3 month mark). I mean... I could be lucky, but if I don't see clear improvement soon, I think I need to take a break from studying. The thing about the improvements I think have happened, is that I am not really sure about them and sometimes think "have I been tricking myself into believing I have improved, or am I doing it the other way round right now?"


And yeah, you're totally right about the personality change, it was a fucking stupid thought. I thought that MDMA had released something in me, because I felt great earlier this year, but I think that it was the other way round, and I had been feeling this way because other things in my life had happened. Just that in the brain fog from weed and maybe the first trip in may I mixed those events around in my memory. But this is merely speculation.

Cheers
 
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Thanks for the info buddy , appreciate it !
Exactly , what got me into tears was related to someone's face , thats really weird though ... I dont think the drug unearthed some kind of discontent like you're saying , i would have felt it . I was basically very happy every time i took it , felt a little more confident that the usual , but really nothing bad or psychologically disturbing . I think it all just hit me at once , being sick , the comedown , first day of work , etc ...

Im going to order some 5-HTP but dont even know how much to take .. They come in different milligrams like 40 - 60 - 100mg pills .

I just wanted to know if taking what ive took during those 3 days is considered dangerous ? Specially that i read most people only take 120mg and wait about 4 weeks between every time . I took almost 8 times that quantity in an interval of 3 days . Lol the things we get ourself into ...
 
@XTCChet

Are you sure you're not messing with yourself? I think anxiety, and being preoccupied with symptoms, can perpetuate and worsen your condition. I think it partly explains why I had such a hard time recovering. E.g., when you start doubting your cognitive abilities, suddenly there's evidence everywhere. And chronic stress can lead to chronic fatigue, which can explain a lot, if not all of your symptoms.

I especially recognize the brain fog. Often I'd just forget where I was. Like, I'd walk around and think: what city is this? Took me a few seconds to recall. And I still have it on occasion. I now think it's harmless. Just me daydreaming or being tired or aging or whatever.

Spending too much time alone is probably not a good idea. You should take your mind off things, you know? I guess physical exercise is the perfect remedy in that case.

There's also certain circumstances that to this day provoke the brain fog for me. Like entering a store that has lots of fluorescent lamps. Don't ask me why. Maybe it's just conditioning. But it proves to me it's self-inflicted and merely psychological.

It's not stupid to think MDMA can unlock some kind of personality. It's very sane. It just doesn't work. You'll learn when you take it more often. Everybody goes through that.
 
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