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I suffer chronic depression and social anxiety which brings the occasional influence of paranoia.
i was prescribed and SSRI for my depression and anxiety although i wasnt game enough to let the doc know i had
a past history with meth-amphetimines.

could the meth be the result of my depression and anxiety, even though i stopped a year ago and I've had the symptons for a solid 3 years. is the SSRI still safe to take for the general sense of depression and anxiety. Or should i consult my doctor for other help and let him know it could have something to do with drugs.
 
I'm here tonight to say hi to all my fellow BL members.
I'm sorry for my continued absence from this forum - i know my story offers both hope and concern for many who find themselves lost.

I remember the feeling well. I was alone in the midst of the greatest suffering I had ever experienced, perhaps the greatest suffering that any human could experience. My 'ltc' taught me that the network of nerves connecting the intestines to the brain is responsible for the greatest parts of being human.

It burns a road through the mind, inhibiting various pathways, until at its destination it activates the highest pathways evolved in our history. These high brain functions of empathy and love are the consequence of a great inhibition, like a dam holding back a river. We inherit this wonderful gift, yet it is fragile. Damaging this system can unleash a relentless flow of suffering, in a way that cannot be successfully communicated to others.

Family members, doctors, fellow drug users, even the most well-intentioned harm reduction advocates on BL - they all fall short of understanding. I felt so alone.

It was my goal to create a path, to light the way for future victims.
I wanted to offer the most detailed posts, describing the basic understanding of research that I gained.
I knew that details were critical to an early sufferer - knowledge is empowering, even for the weakest and most destroyed among us.

I want all of the current victims to feel a message of love.
I truly understand the prison you find yourself in now. I wrap my arms around all of you.
Please do not feel alone - part of me is always on this forum. I really feel like I pounded out a part of my spirit from my keyboard into Bluelight.

You must forgive your families and doctors.
You must forgive other members of this community who strive to understand or some who outright dismiss you.
They cannot understand, and it is to your benefit to forgive and accept. The best you can hope to do is educate and prevent another victim.

My posts were almost always capped off with a statement about minimizing re-dosing.
In research, re-dosing is the primary and guaranteed way to induce neurotoxic changes that would be apparent for years.
Repeated doses always lead to brain damage in rodents and primates, and there is evidence that humans require fewer and smaller doses to induce damage than animals. For me, redosing at least once per session was guaranteed.

My greatest wish is to prevent this agony among other young people who are led into a confident and even arrogant stance about this most amazing and powerful chemical. Serotonin contracts the smooth muscles of the intestines and it also forms a pathway of empathy, joy, love, and sexuality in the brain. How can anyone know just how critical this connection is unless they are told?

Here is another important message - the brain damages itself during 'recovery'.
I believe this is true for many types of drug recovery - only after the offending agent is withdrawn does the brain have to begin re-wiring pathways. It certainly felt this way to me - 'recovery' was a laughable term, no the brain burns new pathways literally dismantling part of your identity.

I described it as follows - my intestines were raping my brain and destroying my soul.

Constantly. Without end.

For others, visceral complaints are not always as severe as mine, but they are still common.
Now after almost FOUR years of 'recovery' I still suffer from digestive complaints that could be described as IBS.
As well as ongoing intolerance to heavy alcohol or cannabis use.

I find that opiates and benzos are well-tolerated, but only in careful moderation.
Work is still more difficult than it used to be, but I work a stressful 55 hours per week and live a reasonable life in north Texas.
Just tonight I experienced a severe spike in blood pressure because I drank heavily two nights ago (6 beers).
I was naseaus and felt like a stroke was imminent.

Before tonight, I have been stable for months.
My depression is long gone, although I seem unable to gain weight back that I lost a year ago after a major anxiety attack.
I have had TIAs before and I fear a real stroke awaits me in the future. Honestly, I am shocked that tonight didn't kill me!

Great news: I fear death.

For much of the first year, death held little meaning.
In many ways, I had already died. In such a real way, I was forever gone.
I thought I would never fear leaving this life again.
Even physical pain would have been easily tolerated.
It became easy to understand why kids on SSRIs have commited suicide or mass murder.

But now after a long 'recovery', my brain has regained a sense of fear, regret, even guilt over the idea of leaving my family.
I would leave behind a beautiful wife and five year old daughter, both have watched me struggle for four years.
What tragedy it would be for me to finally pass after all this time!
I am in tears just writing this.

But this sense of fear, is a good sign of higher brain function.
And I should repeat - depression is LONG GONE.
Sexual function is consistent and satisfactory with occasional improvements.
Sleep is adequate and work is tolerable.

My vision will never fully recover, but I no longer consider it bothersome.
HPPD was terrible in the beginning, but this is a mild loss of acuity. Visual memory is also less sharp.
Overall, I just feel like an older man. I am 33 years old, but I feel 45.

This all started when I was 29, and I felt 25!
What a hard and enduring process this has been.

To those reading during a time of suffering, please do not regard my story as a bad sign.
No - I am evidence that the brain will continue to re-wire and change for years to come.
There are other stories of people 5 or 10 years into recovery that have little or no response to sex, drugs, or even interaction with other people. The bad stories are tales of permanent emptiness.

Mine is a story of pain and fullness of life.
I can enjoy so much more than I ever thought I would.
Music is one of them. Exercise. Sex. Laughter. Occasional light drug use.

I am glad BL was there for me when I needed it, and I'm saddened that I lack the time and desire to contribute the way I used to. I hope to continue leaving a path of recovery. Perhaps another four years will reveal a whole new me.

I nearly died tonight, or so it felt to me.
I was genuinely afraid and I thought about this community.
I want to be remembered as someone that really cared and tried to help others.
To my friend Tyller - I am so sorry you didn't make it.
I hope I'm not destined to join you anytime soon!

No matter what, we are all going to die one day.
Consider it a blessing that you have learned more about the value of life and health than most of those you will ever meet.
Love yourself and the time you have been given. And believe me - it gets much better.

There is hope for even the most severe case.
You are much stronger than anyone in your life could understand. Be proud of yourself, when you can manage it.
Never stop trying. Time and good decisions will see you to a new fate.
I promise.

First Bad Comedown
 
FBC the poetry of your post gives the most accurate feeling about the prison break of your own body that this experience could become.
 
Sometimes it feels like this compleet emptiness some people experience is just a defense against the anxiety. In that respect I even think I'm glad I'm still full panic mode; maybe I can get out of this without going in that defense mode cause I'm just not wired like that or something. Lexapro is in the building by the way; just leaving it for 2 more weeks till after exams. Cant wait to start to be honest. Its time now.
 
Sometimes it feels like this compleet emptiness some people experience is just a defense against the anxiety. In that respect I even think I'm glad I'm still full panic mode; maybe I can get out of this without going in that defense mode cause I'm just not wired like that or something. Lexapro is in the building by the way; just leaving it for 2 more weeks till after exams. Cant wait to start to be honest. Its time now.

I hope it'll be worth it in the end. But please remember: the start-up is no joke. Every time you feel yourself questioning the med when you're not even a month on your target dose you should keep pushing through. It really made my life a lot easier but it wasn't until I pushed through to the therapeutic dose. Id hate to see you stop prematurely. You can't judge a recovery method without fully commiting to the method. Good luck!
 
I hope it'll be worth it in the end. But please remember: the start-up is no joke. Every time you feel yourself questioning the med when you're not even a month on your target dose you should keep pushing through. It really made my life a lot easier but it wasn't until I pushed through to the therapeutic dose. Id hate to see you stop prematurely. You can't judge a recovery method without fully commiting to the method. Good luck!

What coderbrah said is - in my opinion - of absolutely vital / fundamental importance in relation to achieving long term (therapeutic) success down this common avenue of possible treatment options.

This is why I highly recommend that - if possible - you take a couple of months off of work and/or school, because your LTC symptoms + the first few weeks spent adjusting to the medication will require just about all your energy, focus, patience, etc. And if you require a doctor's note to be excused from work and/or school for 8 weeks, I'm sure (s)he would have no qualms with helping you out.

Also, I think I may have said this already, but I'll say it again: It may be prudent to ask for a small amount of Xanax (Alprazolam) or another suitable Benzodiazepine in order to help you deal with any side effects related to insomnia, anxiety, panic attacks, muscle tenseness/rigidity, tremors, intrusive thoughts, vivid dreams, etc. This doesn't mean you'll experience all the aforementioned side effects, but most likely some of them you may.

Good luck from me as well there imabicycle, and if you ever need to talk; if you're having a particularly tough time due to side effects and perhaps I can help provide some peace of mind since I was on 100mg of Zoloft (Sertraline) for ~8 months, please don't hesitate to message me because I really wanna see you succeed - you can beat this buddy, I have no doubt about it.
 
@FBC

Still feeling goosebumps over my entire body after reading your post, you are a true inspiration to me. I still remember as if it was yesterday, how you provided me with so much relieve and comfort during the darkest days of my life, for that ill be forever grateful.
 
The first month ain't no thing I can handle anything, as long as I know it isn't chronic. And I should've mentioned; benzo's are in the building too. 2 per day for the first month. I'll still be going to school though. I'm sure I'll manage. I don't stress about school anyways and sitting alone at home doesn't help me. Thanks for offering help; Im sure I'll be in need of it soon enough. I'll push through coder don't worry about me. They wanne keep me at 10 mg. How do you feel about that. Did you only notice anything at 20? Cheers
 
The first month ain't no thing I can handle anything, as long as I know it isn't chronic. And I should've mentioned; benzo's are in the building too. 2 per day for the first month. I'll still be going to school though. I'm sure I'll manage. I don't stress about school anyways and sitting alone at home doesn't help me. Thanks for offering help; Im sure I'll be in need of it soon enough. I'll push through coder don't worry about me. They wanne keep me at 10 mg. How do you feel about that. Did you only notice anything at 20? Cheers

I did notice some changes but they were nowhere near the relief I feel at 20mg. Everyone responds differently to meds ofcourse but 10mg is the low end therapeutic dose for depression whereas anxiety disorders often require 20mg. But if you do fine at 10mg then there's no point in going any higher.

Also you say "the first month" which gets me to the point at how you are going to start? I hope you're starting at 5mg and then going up to 10mg? Please don't start with the 10mg right away I don't think that's safe given your condition. Also take as long as you need to on any dose. The first 5mg was the hardest for me and took the longest for me to adjust to, I think a total of three weeks. Then every increase rocked my boat for about two weeks.

Also about the benzos: this is very powerful stuff. You'll know once you take your first one how much they help. What kind are you prescribed? You say benzos for the first month, but I think daily benzo use for a month is really pushing it when it comes to dependance. 2 weeks really seems like the max safe spot, after that it gets risky; some people get withdrawals after 3 weeks and some can use daily for a month with no issues afterwards. I'd try to sit the ride out without benzos and only take when you really need it. I used Klonopin sporadically for three weeks (about 3 times a week) and when I stopped I had very strong anxiety for five days.

Now it might seem like you're venturing into dangerous territory here, but really as long as you use these drugs responsibly they are a really a great help and there's nothing to fear. They are just very powerful that is all. With great power comes great responsibility ;)

If you have any further questions you can always ask

PS: I think you're really brave starting medication after all you've been through and your previous stance on medication. You'll learn to understand and appreciate psychiatric medicine a lot more after this. Four months into my LTC I was still very anti-meds but now I just think it's amazing how we as humans have been able to create these medicines.
 
I certainly understand that not being afraid of death thing you say FBC, I feel more afraid of life if anything. Even though everything looks the same now (derealization gone) I still feel like I'm trapped in some sort of nightmare existence, I feel claustrophobic about the reality around me even in the most open surroundings, it's as if my surroundings don't elicit any sort of mental response or feeling.

I am also in chronic muscle pain all the time along with twitching rippling and vibrating in every muscle. Bad headaches are a new symptom as of a few weeks ago along with intense pressure on the right side of my head behind the nose which I thought was a sinus problem but doc has cleared me on that.

I don't know if it's hypochondria but I worry that I have a brain tumor or something serious (doc insists its anxiety and won't refer me). I find it hard to gauge how bad I feel against other peoples posts though. Yes anxiety causes muscle twitching but does anyone here have twitching of the same level, I'm talking at least one muscle is rippling or twitching at any given time somewhere in your body 24/7?

Ugh I'm happy to go back on an SSRI and accept that this is my life and recovery will be slow but I am going insane from having this doubt hanging over me that something else is actually wrong. Somedays I even think ughh I should just roll again and see what happens I'm already at the bottom of the barrel...
 
Ty man im glad ur doing better cause were alike a bit ltc wise. First five for a week than ten was the plan. We'll see how that works out. Do you now have the feeling ur going towards full recovery (no matter how slow)?
 
Ty man im glad ur doing better cause were alike a bit ltc wise. First five for a week than ten was the plan. We'll see how that works out. Do you now have the feeling ur going towards full recovery (no matter how slow)?

Alright my psychiatrist wanted to do the same but I wasn't ready to increase yet after 5 days.

Yeah I do actually. Lexapro has definitely given me more 'perspective'. It's like I can now see/feel and accept where all my symptoms come from and how a good therapy plan and lots of relaxation will bring peace to my mind, calm it down and then when the anxiety is under control the rest of the symptoms will take care of themselves.
 
What a nice lost fbc. Maybe your age is a factor here, maybe your brain is a little plastic that younger sufferers like me because I can't wrap my head around the fact that you still feel these symptoms at such a degree.

I feel like visual disturbance CAN go away. But floaters will stay it seems, I accept that. Some will persist and some will fade. I think that's why we keep seeing "99%" recovery individuals. Past 5 days havr been pure bliss for me. Everything is gone. I don't know who to thank or whatever, but the progresss is there and I cant help myself but to encourage the 0% progress people here that it WILL happen. DP/DR WILL GO AWAY.

Ive said this already, and it seems like you people dont accept this; some people ended RIGHT where we are, WITHOUT THE USE OF DRUGS. Stress can cause this, a panic attack, and other drugs. Its not mdma only. Because we are tied around the idea that its drug-induced we immediatly think BRAIN DAMMAGE. People who got this without drugs dont consider brain wreckage, so they recovery faster. Just take a look at anxiety forums, youll see BL-like sufferers.

PS: It seems like every day of this ltc, after seeing on BL that memory was affected by ltc, I kept tryint to fight it off by reminding myself more often stuff, repeating numbers in my head, doing everything to fight it off. If someone told me the name of a character I would let the name run in my head 5-10 times. Now that my memory issues faded away, im left with absolutelly incredible memory. After 6 months of hardcore short memory training, my "back-to-normal" memory turned into some rainman shit. I saw in the CORNER OF MY EYE, someone do his password on his galaxy phone. I was talking to someone else. He handed the phone and I opened it, he thought I was some kind of autistic genius LOL.
 
So Im at a cross roads here. Last night I realized Im not sure if smoking pot is helping me or not. Its been helping me escape and feel my self again (at least the high self again) Sober, there are still alot that needs to get resolved. DP and anxiety is still there. Today was a very off day for me. Very unmotivated and depressed with anxious thoughts for really no reason than "fuck im still feeling this way". Im not sure if the pot only pushes things aside for now. I dont know if pot could just postpone full recovery. Though, I feel fine when I smoke, I dont know if its actually good for recovery. One thing It does do, it stops any anxious or depressive thoughts. Like last night, I was all bummed out and smoked and it turned my night around. So Im just not sure what to do.
 
I don't know if it's hypochondria but I worry that I have a brain tumor or something serious (doc insists its anxiety and won't refer me). I find it hard to gauge how bad I feel against other peoples posts though. Yes anxiety causes muscle twitching but does anyone here have twitching of the same level, I'm talking at least one muscle is rippling or twitching at any given time somewhere in your body 24/7?
I had the muscle twitching 24/7 for the first 2-3 months of my comedown, after that it started to become less frequent and right now im at a point where I don't experience any unwanted twitching at all unless I drink high doses of cafeïne. I know how discomforting the twitching is, it kept me awake at night and as I am also hyponchondric I really convinced myself that I had ms/parkinson which made my anxiety a lot worse than it already was. Just stay strong man.
 
B the pot only pushes things aside for now. I dont know if pot could just postpone full recovery. Though, I feel fine when I smoke, I dont know if its actually good for recovery. One thing It does do, it stops any anxious or depressive thoughts. Like last night, I was all bummed out and smoked and it turned my night around. So Im just not sure what to do.[/QUOTE]


Luckily pmz sounds to me like you found a natural way to medicate yourself. Be happy about this. That's what bud is supposed to do. It's legal where you live recreationally so even better. Don't get stoned off your ass but just go this route instead of the ssri route. If I felt like how you did when I smoked three I wouldn't have a problem sparking up when things seemed off. IF it's not making you anxious then it's definitely not making your ltc worse.
 
B the pot only pushes things aside for now. I dont know if pot could just postpone full recovery. Though, I feel fine when I smoke, I dont know if its actually good for recovery. One thing It does do, it stops any anxious or depressive thoughts. Like last night, I was all bummed out and smoked and it turned my night around. So Im just not sure what to do.


Luckily pmz sounds to me like you found a natural way to medicate yourself. Be happy about this. That's what bud is supposed to do. It's legal where you live recreationally so even better. Don't get stoned off your ass but just go this route instead of the ssri route. If I felt like how you did when I smoked three I wouldn't have a problem sparking up when things seemed off. IF it's not making you anxious then it's definitely not making your ltc worse.[/QUOTE]

See you have a really good point. If the pot stops the negative thought loops then it could be a really good thing.
 
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