futura2012
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No you have to order it online from outside of USA. Its approx $60 per month. Ill send you a link if you need a source.
I have just started on Valdoxan today so I will keep you posted on how that goes.
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No you have to order it online from outside of USA. Its approx $60 per month. Ill send you a link if you need a source.
I have just started on Valdoxan today so I will keep you posted on how that goes.
The positive is...your feeling better. Ignore everything else including reading anything depressing on bluelight. Move onward and upwards, exercise more so than you would normally and eat and live healthily Fuck me folks give this approach a good try before thinking your fucked for life........99.9% of you are NOT. Comedowns can be brutal and long lasting.......more so if you think about them. :D
and controversially:-
SSRIs are utter bullshit. Just fucking google it. I'll take the placebo and the exercise. DO NOT BELIEVE STUDIES FUNDED BY DRUG COMPANIES ON THE EFFECTIVENESS OF SSRI'S
There is huge money to made by prescribing these products...........the rest is obvious.
SSRIs are utter bullshit. Just fucking google it. I'll take the placebo and the exercise. DO NOT BELIEVE STUDIES FUNDED BY DRUG COMPANIES ON THE EFFECTIVENESS OF SSRI'S
There is huge money to made by prescribing these products...........the rest is obvious.
Let it heal up naturally. I've healed my serotonin naturally (best route) , and was also prescribed celexa. Keep in mind, a lot of people that are prescribed these SSRI medications drink alcohol while being medicated. That will defeat the purpose of the SSRI.
magniloquentcunt
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sorry to disagree but tianeptine has helped and is helping me quite a bit
just not to the extent i hoped
still, an extremely benign (allthou mild, compared to prozac at least) medication which helps one see the beauty of the world, with simply NO side effects.
I am aware it is the wonder-pill of online forums, but theres nothing to say against it, just maybe it is better to resizes ones expectations
I must ask the OP (HarrytheHead), how much xtc did you do to get this comedown? Was it a large dose on a single night/consecutive days, or just an overuse over a period of time?
I ask because I too am going through a similar comedown (I'm on night 10 since last dose today) from a silly MDMA binge in Ibiza, 4 consecutive nights I consumed around 2.5.g MDMA crystals + 10 pills to myself.
I ask because I too am going through a similar comedown (I'm on night 10 since last dose today) from a silly MDMA binge in Ibiza, 4 consecutive nights I consumed around 2.5.g MDMA crystals + 10 pills to myself.
MDMA-induced depression feels almost EXACTLY like "normal" depression, but it is not the same thing. This is only short term, while other people who have to deal with this their whole lives may really need that medication to deal with their symptoms, you really just need to learn to overcome them and get back to your life before the abuse. I know it seems hard.. I've been there. But really, you just need to soldier through this on your own. You got yourself into this mess, the sooner you get yourself out of it the sooner you can go back to living
MDMA induced Depression ???? what kind of actual evidence do you have that that even exists, the amount of pseudo science about this place is shameful.
The medical profession don't even fully understand the role of Serotonin in the bodylet alone attribute even temporary mood changes to its lack there of.
To follow on from a post I made early I used MDMA heavily for 8 years, almost every weekend, in more recent years I have suffered depression quite badly, in my view I've always had issues with depression but used drugs to mask them.
But either way many here seem to be of the view that long term MDMA use will cause problems with your Serotonin system and ultimately lead to depression, not a view I hold or have seen any evidence of.
I tried SSRIs :-
Citalproam - made me suicidal and physically very ill
Sertraline - gave me internal bleeding and made my mood much worse
Prozac - caused almost instant violent vomiting
None helped at all, in fact all made things worse.
Trycyclics and SNRIs have been much more useful.
Once again I will point to the massive unofficial experiment in the UK during the 90s, millions taking MDXX every weekend, sure a few got ill btu very few indeed given both the number and the uncertain contents and dosage of the pills.
If MDMA caused depression or any other significant health issue in anything other than a vefry small percentage of users the UK would have seen an epidemic.
I'm all for moderation and sensible drug use, MDMA it best enjoyed in sensible doses anyhow, but seom of you guys take this far to seriously....but don't let facts stand in the way of a good bit of hysteria.
I'd imagine that it would cause the opposite. The science: MAOI = reduced breakdown of the monoamine trasmitters (such as serotonin) = Increase serotonin circulating the synapses = upregulatory response from receptors to manage the new increase in serotonin. But like Allein quite rightly points out - the monoamine hypothesis of depression doesn't hold much strength. The more I begin to delve into the literature, the more I err toward the Neurotrophic theories of which serotonin still plays a role, but isn't completely pivotal.
The problem with depression is that the pathophysiology is really not that well known. Alot of articles even suggest that it can occur idiopathically I.E. Different individual causes for different people. This makes it really hard to prescribe the correct drugs to people, especially considering the lack of strong support for the serotonin deficiency theory. It's kind of shocking how SSRI's are so widely prescribed really.
Unfortunately, like most things, it all boils down to money money money.
To be honest, use SSRI's. Zoloft worked for me, I tried MDMA for the first time and took to much, and ended up having a really bad comedown. I was probably one and a half months into it when I got Zoloft prescribed and that day all my anxiety and depression from the MDMA went away. In 2 weeks everything was completely gone. I've had an anxiety problem for about 3 years and after getting on the Zoloft, 2 months later I started getting on a sleep schedule and that's starting to go away now. There hasn't been any negative effects of getting on them, just the first week or so I felt groggy, and I couldn't cum for some reason lol. Give them some time they'll start working, and if they don't try something else. Anything's better than a bad come down.
Also, don't drink alcohol or do any drugs for awhile, or else it'll bring back your symptoms. I drank a few times and the next few days were complete shit.
Also, don't drink alcohol or do any drugs for awhile, or else it'll bring back your symptoms. I drank a few times and the next few days were complete shit.
Flailing_Gypsy
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I think it's all very personal. I've personally never experienced what you're going through, so I can only say so much, but if you can't seem to get out of the funk you're in afterwards, and you've tried more natural approaches, than I would say definitely try an SSRI, especially if you already feel its working (whether or not it might be the pills or just you, doesn't really matter as long as you're getting results). I don't recommend staying on an SSRI for a long time, especially if you aren't a person who usually struggles with depression/anxiety, but sometimes your brain just needs a boost and then you can wean yourself off of the SSRIs. Some people have excellent results with SSRIs, some people have no results at all and a smaller percentage of people have negative results (worsening depression, brain zaps, suicidal thoughts, etc).
Side note: SSRIs can also interact with certain drugs. It usually completely blocks the MDMA high and can increase your risk of serotonin syndrome, but it doesn't sound like you'll be using M again anytime soon anyhow haha, but be aware of that.
Also, for anyone who does choose the SSRI route, be careful not to become dependant on it, as if your happiness depends on you being on the SSRI. That's an easy trap to fall into. The vast majority of people, other than, maybe, those with a long term history of severe and chronic depression, can wean themselves off SSRIs after a period of time and generally lead the same happy life they lead before.
Side note: SSRIs can also interact with certain drugs. It usually completely blocks the MDMA high and can increase your risk of serotonin syndrome, but it doesn't sound like you'll be using M again anytime soon anyhow haha, but be aware of that.
Also, for anyone who does choose the SSRI route, be careful not to become dependant on it, as if your happiness depends on you being on the SSRI. That's an easy trap to fall into. The vast majority of people, other than, maybe, those with a long term history of severe and chronic depression, can wean themselves off SSRIs after a period of time and generally lead the same happy life they lead before.
HarrytheHead
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So just to let you guys know where I am at..
It has been about 7 months since I took a single dose of molly crystals (about 250mg). It was my third experience with MDMA and the past two times before that went fine. I overheated on this dose, had the first and worst panic attack of my life and almost passed out. It passed and after a good nights rest, I felt perfectly fine. 48 hours later, I had trouble breathing and my heart rate would randomly spike upwards of 160. I know this because I went to the ER 4 times with panic attacks. As the days progressed, life was a constant panic attack and I developed insomnia and agoraphobia. My whole life I slept like a log no problem and all of a sudden, I was waking up in the dark with extreme panic attacks. This lasted a few weeks and I stayed out of work saying I had pneumonia.
When I returned to work, every day crawled by. I had constant anxiety, random panic attacks, hot flashes, cold flashes, deep severe depression, emptiness, I couldn't concentrate at all. It eventually got to the point that I simply walked out the door and claimed to my job that I was sick and could no longer work. With my new found time, I saw a therapist and a psychiatrist. I was prescribed 10mg of Paxil (SSRI). I took this for 3 weeks and started to feel a little better. Then my doc increased my dose to 20mg I know doctors are supposed to gradually increase... but I said.. "Hey I'm feeling a little better, why should I increase my dose?" I was terrified of becoming dependent on this stuff. So after arguing with my doctor for several days, I bought a pill cutter and kept the dose at 10mg. Then with a great deal of courage, I cut the pills down to 5mg and noticed no changes. Then I stopped all together. I still had anxiety and depression. But it was manageable. And I made a deal with myself that unless the symptoms were completely unbearable, I would stay away from SSRIs. I was happy and proud of this accomplishment.
2 months later I made great headway. I saw a therapist weekly to talk through my problems and deal with them. I was feeling intense head pressure and rapid heartbeats almost constantly. But the depression was fading. And the panic attacks were sparse. I decided while being off work, I would take my first SOLO trip to Europe. It was really difficult, and I had a panic attack there my second day... but through my therapy and meditation I was able to overcome my anxiety and had an unforgettable time. I made great memories and friends.
Now its about 7 months since that stupid high dose of MDMA, which was more likely than not dirty. My depression is basically gone, I just still have this head pressure. Like a tight feeling in my forehead, around the eyes and down into my jaw. My heart beat is sometimes quick and sometimes I get anxiety. But I am so much better than before. I am interviewing for jobs. So if I can handle being grilled by an interviewer, I can say I am basically better. I am just waiting for this head pressure to go away. I never had this before the initial incident, ever. Has anyone had the head pressure for a long time and did it go away?
Anyways long story short, I didn't go the SSRI route and the depression and anxiety faded on their own through therapy, exercise and hard work. I wish everyone the best of luck and please contact me anytime if you're having trouble.
It has been about 7 months since I took a single dose of molly crystals (about 250mg). It was my third experience with MDMA and the past two times before that went fine. I overheated on this dose, had the first and worst panic attack of my life and almost passed out. It passed and after a good nights rest, I felt perfectly fine. 48 hours later, I had trouble breathing and my heart rate would randomly spike upwards of 160. I know this because I went to the ER 4 times with panic attacks. As the days progressed, life was a constant panic attack and I developed insomnia and agoraphobia. My whole life I slept like a log no problem and all of a sudden, I was waking up in the dark with extreme panic attacks. This lasted a few weeks and I stayed out of work saying I had pneumonia.
When I returned to work, every day crawled by. I had constant anxiety, random panic attacks, hot flashes, cold flashes, deep severe depression, emptiness, I couldn't concentrate at all. It eventually got to the point that I simply walked out the door and claimed to my job that I was sick and could no longer work. With my new found time, I saw a therapist and a psychiatrist. I was prescribed 10mg of Paxil (SSRI). I took this for 3 weeks and started to feel a little better. Then my doc increased my dose to 20mg I know doctors are supposed to gradually increase... but I said.. "Hey I'm feeling a little better, why should I increase my dose?" I was terrified of becoming dependent on this stuff. So after arguing with my doctor for several days, I bought a pill cutter and kept the dose at 10mg. Then with a great deal of courage, I cut the pills down to 5mg and noticed no changes. Then I stopped all together. I still had anxiety and depression. But it was manageable. And I made a deal with myself that unless the symptoms were completely unbearable, I would stay away from SSRIs. I was happy and proud of this accomplishment.
2 months later I made great headway. I saw a therapist weekly to talk through my problems and deal with them. I was feeling intense head pressure and rapid heartbeats almost constantly. But the depression was fading. And the panic attacks were sparse. I decided while being off work, I would take my first SOLO trip to Europe. It was really difficult, and I had a panic attack there my second day... but through my therapy and meditation I was able to overcome my anxiety and had an unforgettable time. I made great memories and friends.
Now its about 7 months since that stupid high dose of MDMA, which was more likely than not dirty. My depression is basically gone, I just still have this head pressure. Like a tight feeling in my forehead, around the eyes and down into my jaw. My heart beat is sometimes quick and sometimes I get anxiety. But I am so much better than before. I am interviewing for jobs. So if I can handle being grilled by an interviewer, I can say I am basically better. I am just waiting for this head pressure to go away. I never had this before the initial incident, ever. Has anyone had the head pressure for a long time and did it go away?
Anyways long story short, I didn't go the SSRI route and the depression and anxiety faded on their own through therapy, exercise and hard work. I wish everyone the best of luck and please contact me anytime if you're having trouble.
Hi Harry,
I took a rather large dose back in May 2011. I had no terrible comedown effects but I did experience the head pressure almost constantly for about 20 months. I definitely know firsthand how miserable it can be. I was pretty uncomfortable/miserable for the first 12 months of head pressure. I became convinced that what I was experiencing wasn't ecstasy related and had something to do with some ulterior illness or perhaps mere stress. At about the one year mark, I was pretty used to the constant tingling/pressure and it became less and less bothersome. By December 2012/January 2013, the symptoms suddenly vanished.
I bought supplements, exercised, went to neurologists, acupuncturists, etc. Nothing did a damn thing nor was there ever any real indication as to why the symptoms suddenly disappeared. The one thing that did give me temporary relief was hot yoga. I can tell you though that from my experience, I did reach 100% recovery.
I can also tell you that if you're situation is anything like mine, then you should never touch E again IMO. I believe that once people like us go through these long term comedowns, we are more susceptible to the adverse side effects.
I say this because two months ago I tried E again in my "cured" state. I took a single cap of molly, somewhere around 90mg. Since then I have experienced heightened side effects and am now in my second long term comedown. This one is much worse. First time I thought I knew misery with the 24/7 head pressure. Now I realize how lucky I was even then as I am now suffering from stuttering speech, constant brain fog, blurry vision, anxiety, and depression. Hopefully these symptoms will wane with time. Trying to stay mindful/hopeful. Definitely not touching molly again. Not worth it. Praying for better times.
I took a rather large dose back in May 2011. I had no terrible comedown effects but I did experience the head pressure almost constantly for about 20 months. I definitely know firsthand how miserable it can be. I was pretty uncomfortable/miserable for the first 12 months of head pressure. I became convinced that what I was experiencing wasn't ecstasy related and had something to do with some ulterior illness or perhaps mere stress. At about the one year mark, I was pretty used to the constant tingling/pressure and it became less and less bothersome. By December 2012/January 2013, the symptoms suddenly vanished.
I bought supplements, exercised, went to neurologists, acupuncturists, etc. Nothing did a damn thing nor was there ever any real indication as to why the symptoms suddenly disappeared. The one thing that did give me temporary relief was hot yoga. I can tell you though that from my experience, I did reach 100% recovery.
I can also tell you that if you're situation is anything like mine, then you should never touch E again IMO. I believe that once people like us go through these long term comedowns, we are more susceptible to the adverse side effects.
I say this because two months ago I tried E again in my "cured" state. I took a single cap of molly, somewhere around 90mg. Since then I have experienced heightened side effects and am now in my second long term comedown. This one is much worse. First time I thought I knew misery with the 24/7 head pressure. Now I realize how lucky I was even then as I am now suffering from stuttering speech, constant brain fog, blurry vision, anxiety, and depression. Hopefully these symptoms will wane with time. Trying to stay mindful/hopeful. Definitely not touching molly again. Not worth it. Praying for better times.
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All natural, I am a strong believer that in 95% of scenarios SSRI's do more harm than good
I have seen only a handful of people who have had positive reactions to SSRI's, and they have all beyond very severe depression.
My mother has very strong bipolar, and SSRI's have caused her to be hospitalized on multiple occasions, and has only been doing better since she was taken off of them
I have seen only a handful of people who have had positive reactions to SSRI's, and they have all beyond very severe depression.
My mother has very strong bipolar, and SSRI's have caused her to be hospitalized on multiple occasions, and has only been doing better since she was taken off of them
magniloquentcunt
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a good herbal option is Bacopa i believe. stabilizes mood and gives that little extra cognitive boost
HarrytheHead
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Just letting you guys know that I made the right decision coming off SSRIs for my mdma induced panic disorder. Anxiety and depression are hugely diminished 8 months in. IME.. unless it is completely unbearable or you're feeling suicidal, it is not worth it to get hooked on SSRIs for mdma induced panic/depression which naturally heals itself.
angeleyes
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Good to hear you're doing well Harry, keep your chin up bud
just as i said before, the ssri withdrawal is so similar to mdma, i think it desensitize the same receptors 5ht in reseach,the symptoms are almost THE SAME, you can take mads, but talk with your doc if you can swicht to a no ssri as the new egomelatine or an old tricyclic.