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MDMA psychosis or just a bad comedown?

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mckenxie

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Hey guys,

On saturday night me and friend went out to a rave and the majority of my friends took some MDMA in various doses and had consumed a moderate amount of alcohol. It was high quality MDMA, the reagent test fizzled straight to a dark purple. One particular friend (who shall be called Gary) had acquired 700mg of MDMA, I don't know the exact dose he took but he did not have a lot left by the end of the night (probably should of weighed what was left but I did not think of that at the time).

Anyway everything was fine until we came back to my house. Everyone was winding down, smoking some cannabis etc. Then things took a turn for the worst. Gary started to become very distant, he wasn't speaking much and he started to look very.... for lack of a better phrase "cracked out". We all noticed this but no one said anything at first because we assumed he would eventually snap out of it and we didn't want to scare him. He didn't snap out of it. We tried to speak to him to see what was wrong, but he couldn't even reply back, and when he did his words were very mumbled or what he was saying simply did not make sense or was at all relevant to the questions he was being asked.

At this point I suggested to his best friend that perhaps he should take him outside for some fresh air. Then arose the next problem, he could not walk. We stood him up, but every step he took somewhat resembled someone who is suffering from Parkinson's Disease.
We decided it was best if he went into a room with a bed and try to sleep it off, under the supervision of his best friend. For a while he just sat on the bed, curled into a ball and was rocking back and forward with a towel over his head. He eventually got to sleep and in the morning he was a lot better, although was suffering from a VERY bad comedown. His speech and movement was pretty much back to normal.

Gary isn't exactly experienced when it comes to MDMA and although i know he didnt take the full 700mg (a ridiculously high dose) I do know he clearly took a substantial amount.

I was wondering what you guys think this was as I am curious? Was it an acute form of psychosis as a result of taking too much MDMA or was it just a very bad comedown that he was not prepared for. If you want to know any further details don't hesitate to ask and ill see if i can answer your questions. Also if you have any suggestions on how to deal with situations like this, that would be very much appreciated.

mckenxie

Edit: Just saw the sticky about prefixes, don't see how i can change the prefix to "tested". If a mod can do this that would be helpful! My bad!
 
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I have little advice to offer and have never witnessed such a reaction but this definately doesn't sound like psychosis, something I've had on really long nights on MDA with no sleep. Psychosis usually consists of seeing things and people that aren't there, wild and absurd conspiracies, and a feeling that people are out to get you. What I can say which is an obvious is that your friend took way too much MDMA. There's alot of people making posts on BL of adverse reactions and there's almost always a common occurence, REDICULOUS doses! You should never have to go above 200-250mgs of MDMA per session with only one redose.

After a certain point your doses are doing nothing but increasing neurotoxicity and side-effects, there's no point in burning through near grams as there's very little pleasure that can come from redoses when your already depleted of serotonin. If you want a long lasting roll look into something like 6-apb which lasts a good 7-8 hours and leaves little urge to redose. The parkinsons like symptoms are worrying, make sure you tell your friend to take plenty of magnesium as way too many people are deficient in this mineral and since I've begun a magnesium regimine my body movement feels more fluid, I'm less tense, and the side-effects from my rolls are reduced. Your friend should make a full recovery soon, take this as a lesson learned.
 
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It sounds to me like it was probably MDA or possibly an APB variant. Marquis will go straight to purple/black with all three which is why you should run simons reagent on it next to determine if its a primary or secondary amphetamine.

With that said, high doses of MDA have left me pretty much in that state. I couldn't imagine what such a high amount of MDA would do to me, I've never made it past 300mg to be perfectly honest. Even in my heavy abuse days, I would say that my MDA pill usage never went over 350mg in a 24 hour period.

I've had much the same of what you describe there (except for the Parkison-esque effect, that is worrying) from MDA but never from MDMA. I'd imagine that the APBs could cause it as well.
 
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It sounds to me like it was probably MDA or possibly an APB variant. Marquis will go straight to purple/black with all three which is why you should run simons reagent on it next to determine if its a primary or secondary amphetamine.

With that said, high doses of MDA have left me pretty much in that state. I couldn't imagine what such a high amount of MDA would do to me, I've never made it past 300mg to be perfectly honest. Even in my heavy abuse days, I would say that my MDA pill usage never went over 350mg in a 24 hour period.

I've had much the same of what you describe there (except for the Parkison-esque effect, that is worrying) from MDA but never from MDMA. I'd imagine that the APBs could cause it as well.
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In regards to the possibility that this was MDA or APB, the substance in question came in very big, cola coloured crystals/rocks. I have come across MDA which is similar to this appearance before so this could probably be the answer, especially as peoples reactions to MDA seem to be a lot more volatile and unpredictable than they are with MDMA. However I was wondering whether APB variants would come in this sort of form (big, dark rocks/crystals). I have only even come across APB as a crystalline powder.

I have some of the subtance left so I will take your advice and run a simons reagents test.
 
Unfortunately you can't tell anything by the color or crystal structure. It only takes a small impurity to make a large discoloration. Look at methylone for example - there was a huge batch of crystal that came out that was pink due to a synthesis impurity.

Definitely report back what you discover with Simons reagent. Like I said, sounds like MDA or something related to MDA to me especially at that dose.
 
High doses of MDMA and marijuana have left me nearly unable to talk, although this was during the peak not the comedown.
Some MDMA comedowns can be unbelievably brutal and I'm not entirely surprised that a very high dose to an inexperienced user could have adverse side effects, although I've never heard of something so severe.
 
.7g of MDMA + alcohol + dancing. Then all of a sudden you stop dancing and the focus that your own adrenaline brings fades and you realize how fucked up you actually are. I know I have been in this state a few times and have seen a lot of people in the same state also - less drugs usually helps, or being able to come down slowly.
 
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