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MDMA overuse (high doses), and a significant worsening of sleep problems

When I was taking MDMA I was only using quetapine quetiapine in relatively low dosage as sleeping pill.
Oh, so you were not on any of the other medication then?

As in last answer. I was told by psychiatrists that maybe so many antidepressants didn't work for me because I can have fast metabolism. Maybe it also applies for drugs 🤔
That could definitely be a factor. I also have a very fast metabolism and many drugs do not work for me or I need higher doses. Many drugs also do not last as long as they should. Hyperactive cell pumps are pretty common in people who struggle with OCD.

That’s pretty young! Although you’re going through your Saturn return now which is often a difficult time (and last a few years). It’s a transformative period in which we typically undergo large structural changes to our lifestyle. If you’re interested in astrology, I can take a look at your chart in PMs.

I try to focus on eating healthy. Some days I eat mediterrean diet because there are studies that it helps with depression.

I walk quiet a lot but I plan to add cycling to it. When I'm gonna be after inguinal hernia operation it will be easier to do more sports - Acro yoga, gym.

I don't have a work. Last months I was focused on getting better from depression. Now I try to aim to have meaningful work/activities.

I feel valued. I was valued also when I was depressed but I was unable to feel it even that I have so many episodes and I knew that outside of episodes especially I felt valued. I have close friends.
That all sounds great! Do you get much animal protein? Some people with treatment resistant depression benefit from the carnivore diet. It’s something to consider, at least. And eating a lot of fatty fish or high-quality fish oil is very therapeutic for all types of mental illness. Getting the right type types of fats in the right ratio is crucial for brain health. A new essential fatty acid was also recently discovered, C15. Goat cheese is a great way to get it.

Maybe what I'm doing is worse than what you suggest but I'm gonna stick to my antidepressants until I'm gonna feel bad or until longer time of feeling good. This is also I think what would suggest my doctor. I have no year for 15 years without months being taken by depression. It affected a lot my jobs, businesses, relationships.
How long have you been on them? If your medications are helping you that much and you can’t function without them then I agree that going completely off them is probably not the best idea. Do you know exactly which medications are helping you and which are not? Often doctors prescribe multiple medication together which makes it difficult to know which medications are actually necessary. If you’re not sure that a medication is helping you or you suspect that it is definitely not helping you, you might at least discuss switching to a less toxic alternative.

Yes, I'm in one now. Under certified psychotherapists
Are you finding it helpful?
 
Oh, so you were not on any of the other medication then?
Yep
Are you finding it helpful?
Partly. When I'm not too depressed I can engage and see progress. When I'm too depressed it's hard to work with me and it's hard for me to work. I was never lifted with meds.
How long have you been on them?
Just one month
Do you know exactly which medications are helping you and which are not?
I don't even know if they help me. Almost at the same time started Vortioxetine, Bupropione and TMS. 3 weeks later started dating a girl who I really like and it looks promising.

Link what TMS is:
you might at least discuss switching to a less toxic alternative.
I don't feel like they do anything bad to me. I rarely had side effects of what was given to me by psychiatrists and if I had side effects they were not severe.

 
Why take such high doses of MDMA? Your problems do make sense given you’re prescribed is a serotonergic (among other things) drug. My guess would be that you’ve done some hopefully only short term damage to your serotonin and possibly other receptors which only time can heal. I think you’d be better off switching to another sleeping med that doesn’t impact serotonin receptors, at least temporarily. If you tell your doctor it’s not working and you need high doses which you can’t tolerate, hopefully he will give you something else, at least a z-drug. Have you ever tried going a few days without taking any quetiapine at all? Given its complex mechanisms of action I’m concerned that it might be inhibiting your healing. If you could be on nothing at all for several months while you focus on optimising your health that would likely be ideal. If that’s not an option because of severe insomnia, then I would use a GABAergic drug, as minimally as possible - if possible, no more than every third night, for a few months. But I really need to know more about why you’re taking it to begin with and how bad your insomnia is.
Quetiapines sedative properties are attributed to the H1 receptor though, not the serotonergic activity. In fact there shouldn't be serotonergic receptor activity at low doses usually given for sleep.
 
Quetiapines sedative properties are attributed to the H1 receptor though, not the serotonergic activity. In fact there shouldn't be serotonergic receptor activity at low doses usually given for sleep.
I use 200mg for sleep. It's not that small dosage, some use 25mg as sleeping pill
 
Hmm. Okay, then I think it was just a combination of a dampening effect from quetiapine and your need for high doses.

Yeah, I don’t think I would’ve been able to do CBT while depressed. You may just need to find the right med or meds first.

Glad you’re not getting side-effects. How do you like the TMS? Is it helping do you think?
 
How do you like the TMS? Is it helping do you think?
It's better now but it's a mix of factors and I don't know how much every of them affected me. I asked lady who is with me during the treatment, I think she is honest, and she said that she had only 2 cases for whom TMS was not helpful, in years.
 
It's better now but it's a mix of factors and I don't know how much every of them affected me. I asked lady who is with me during the treatment, I think she is honest, and she said that she had only 2 cases for whom TMS was not helpful, in years.
That’s promising. But yeah, it’s difficult when you’re on multiple medications and also doing CBT. Are there any side-effects from TMS for you?
 
Happened many times that I've taken up to 4/5x 200mg of quetiapinum per day after last MDMA incident to sedate myself when I was deeply depressed. Haven't done this in weeks.
Considering that quetiapine has a half life of roughly 6 hours 4x200 is roughly twice as much as the usual max dose meant for sleep. Quetiapine acts in a dose dependent manner. Small doses around (25-100mg) are targeting the receptors for sleep. Larger doses are meant for mood disorders (around 300-600mg) or schizophrenia (>800mg). Also a higher dose doesn't automatically mean you will sleep better. I would indeed consider getting a different sleep med considering you doubled the max dose.
 
Considering that quetiapine has a half life of roughly 6 hours 4x200 is roughly twice as much as the usual max dose meant for sleep. Quetiapine acts in a dose dependent manner. Small doses around (25-100mg) are targeting the receptors for sleep. Larger doses are meant for mood disorders (around 300-600mg) or schizophrenia (>800mg). Also a higher dose doesn't automatically mean you will sleep better. I would indeed consider getting a different sleep med considering you doubled the max dose.
Up to 200 is for sleep
 
I see. Seems Poland does it differently. Do you experience any additional side effects since the dose increase?

I really want to emphasize how damaging high dosed MDMA can be btw. The doses you took are massive overdoses and MDMA is strongly suspected to be neurotoxic. This could cause all kinds of long lasting changes in the person you will be. You might have a really bad memory or trouble finding/pronouncing words. You might become markedly dumber than before. You might develope a serious case of depression that requires medication, etc. IMHO its really easy to considerably damage yourself with MDMA, often within only a few excessive sessions. It would be highly advisable that you stick to doses below 200mg in order to avoid bigger damage. If you don't feel such doses then thats because you massively overdid it in the past and need a break. Another important rule is to space out MDMA usage as far as possible. Ideally 3 months.
 
This could cause all kinds of long lasting changes in the person you will be. You might have a really bad memory or trouble finding/pronouncing words. You might become markedly dumber than before. You might develope a serious case of depression that requires medication
What are these words based on?
 
These specific symptoms? Reports and personal experience. I'm sure if you use the forum search you will find many references to people suffering long term symptoms related to MDMA overuse.
Thanks!

Personal experience - you also overused or are you talking about what you have read?
 
Thanks!

Personal experience - you also overused or are you talking about what you have read?
I also overused, yes. I once went through 30 pills. That one session damaged me considerably. It took me a good decade of abstinence to start feeling somewhat better again (though my memory and finding words is still shit). It also took over a decade for MDMA to work again at doses under 200mg, so I suspect those factors might be related to brain damage. Brain damage can heal over time but very slowly. Years and years.
 
I also overused, yes. I once went through 30 pills. That one session damaged me considerably. It took me a good decade of abstinence to start feeling somewhat better again (though my memory and finding words is still shit). It also took over a decade for MDMA to work again at doses under 200mg, so I suspect those factors might be related to brain damage. Brain damage can heal over time but very slowly. Years and years.
So sorry to hear that. Congratulations for trying to get better
 
I also overused, yes. I once went through 30 pills. That one session damaged me considerably. It took me a good decade of abstinence to start feeling somewhat better again (though my memory and finding words is still shit). It also took over a decade for MDMA to work again at doses under 200mg, so I suspect those factors might be related to brain damage. Brain damage can heal over time but very slowly. Years and years.
My sad part of the story is that I've overused in in deep depression and after it I haven't felt that high. I just wanted to feel better.

Not to enhance party, sex
 
I also overused, yes. I once went through 30 pills. That one session damaged me considerably. It took me a good decade of abstinence to start feeling somewhat better again (though my memory and finding words is still shit). It also took over a decade for MDMA to work again at doses under 200mg, so I suspect those factors might be related to brain damage. Brain damage can heal over time but very slowly. Years and years.
The best that came to my mind, to help with memory, is to do EEG Biofeedback. It's confirmed that it helps with memory, focus and not only
 
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