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Hey everyone.. When i first joined this board i was astonished by all the information on MDMA/ecstasy.. Its awesome and soon as i saw the bits proving that if you have MDMA in moderation there is minimal harm done to the body.. Well i actually disagree with this now.. I have never abused ecstasy i did it once a month for a year then took a 4month break then started again for once a month and i have to say i have noticed a problem with my memory.. i find it harder to study, remember things etc compared to before i had taken ecstasy.. I don't smoke weed, never even tried it.. I've used speed, base and ritalin too (in the break from ecstasy that i had for 4months) and i have healthy lifestyle i exercise pretty much everyday and drink occasionally some weekends. 90% of the times i rolled i preloaded/postloaded with antioxidants and 5-htp too.

Anyway i just thought i would share this with people, i love mdma and i have educated others who talk crap about all the myths about MDMA but it feels like it has come back and kicked me in the ass even though i have been careful :P

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EDIT: hehe my posts are 123 hahaha :P
 
yeah i know what u mean, i took 5 months off and just at the end of the 4rth month did i find a better difference with thinking and stuff, i think its deservign as a "middle ground" drug....

mroe dangerous if abused then some drugs and addictive to some, but not so bad for others. but it can kill if not used wisely via dehydration or what have u..
 
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Hey everyone.. When i first joined this board i was astonished by all the information on MDMA/ecstasy.. Its awesome and soon as i saw the bits proving that if you have MDMA in moderation there is minimal harm done to the body.. Well i actually disagree with this now.. I have never abused ecstasy i did it once a month for a year then took a 4month break then started again for once a month and i have to say i have noticed a problem with my memory.. i find it harder to study, remember things etc compared to before i had taken ecstasy.. I don't smoke weed, never even tried it.. I've used speed, base and ritalin too (in the break from ecstasy that i had for 4months) and i have healthy lifestyle i exercise pretty much everyday and drink occasionally some weekends. 90% of the times i rolled i preloaded/postloaded with antioxidants and 5-htp too.

Anyway i just thought i would share this with people, i love mdma and i have educated others who talk crap about all the myths about MDMA but it feels like it has come back and kicked me in the ass even though i have been careful :P

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EDIT: hehe my posts are 123 hahaha :P
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The literature that I have found referring to the one month recovery time also refers to a single, moderate dosage of MDMA.

While I don't know your usage pattern and don't want to knock the fact that E can mess a guy up, I don't think many people here who experience problems with MDMA are single, moderate dosage users using clean MDMA no more than once a month.

My own problems with E started when I got into the habit of taking large or repeated dosages over several hours to try to maintain the high on a monthly basis. Prior to that when I was taking one pill and waiting three to four months between using, I never had any recovery or problems at all.

After starting to experience some memory problems and emotional instability, I also started to think like you did that E was not as harmless as people would like to think. Then I realized that it was my own abuse patterns, not the E, that were causing the problems.

Also, speed is known to be neurotoxic, so that might be your problem right there.
 
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Well i never used more than 2 pills in one night.. BUT i live in Sydney and it is close to imposible of getting pure mdma powder or a pill with JUST mdma in it (if any at all lol.) So 2 pills is probably equivalent to one pill you guys get MDMA wise. And with the use of speed, base and ritalin they weren't really abused just a substitute for ecstasy when i was going clubbing etc.. And i used the ritalin for a whole week when i was studying for exams once too
 
I don't think there are too many people (if any) on this board who make the claim that mdma is completely harmless. No one knows what the long term effects of this drug are and no one knows the extent to which mdma is neurotoxic.

I think the opinion of the majority is that mdma is not as bad as the media makes it out to be. I think that a lot of people on this board also try to inform people about the facts that are associated with mdma usage (ie mdma does NOT drain your spinal fluid for example)

There are definitely risks associated with mdma usage and using often does not come without a price. I have definitely experienced memory problems along with depression and anxiety. I think that safe and moderate usage can keep these problems to a minimum.
 
Yeah i just wanted to share my part of the story because till now i actually thought i had been using ecstasy without any big problems and was quite confident that ecstasy was one of the drugs with least side effects but now that iam really finding it hard to study things and remember things it shows otherwise :(

And another thing.. Will this memory problem go away if i just stay away from all drugs? I have a fairly healthy lifestyle at the moment and exercise regularly (which has been scientifically proven to improve memory and concentration).. I hope its not permanent.
 
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There are definitely risks associated with mdma usage and using often does not come without a price. I have definitely experienced memory problems along with depression and anxiety. I think that safe and moderate usage can keep these problems to a minimum.
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Do you find this a function of volume and/or frequency of usage? I too have experienced depression and anxiety as a result of using MDMA, but for me it seems to be linked to how much or how often I use.

I'm not normally an anxious person, and one of the biggest indicators for me that it's time to quit for a while is when I start feeling non-specific anxiety on a regular basis.

I've never used more than once a month, but whenever I've started having these problems they almost always spontaneously disappear right around the one month mark after the last dosage.
 
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And another thing.. Will this memory problem go away if i just stay away from all drugs?
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I seem to remember studies that showed memory deficits even in people who had stopped using MDMA a year earlier - whether it lasts longer than that, I don't know.

From personal experience: my memory/cognitive ability seems a lot better now (having been basically abstinent for years) than it was when I was taking MDMA multiple times per month. So yes, I think it does recover - but whether it recovers completely, I don't know.
 
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Do you find this a function of volume and/or frequency of usage? I too have experienced depression and anxiety as a result of using MDMA, but for me it seems to be linked to how much or how often I use.

I'm not normally an anxious person, and one of the biggest indicators for me that it's time to quit for a while is when I start feeling non-specific anxiety on a regular basis.

I've never used more than once a month, but whenever I've started having these problems they almost always spontaneously disappear right around the one month mark after the last dosage.
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When I first began using I would only use every few months at the most. I may have experienced some very mild depression but it would usually go away within a few days.

Within the last year I have began using on a monthly basis and the negative effects have definitely been more pronounced. The negative effects only last around a week or so but they definitely tend to feel more severe.

Like you I am also not typically a depressed or anxious person so it's quite easy to tell the source when I begin to feel these effects.
 
I used to take a pill, have a blast, and then comedown thinking "what goes up must come down"

But now i just think pills are really bad news. The reason you feel so bad post roll is just that these things are bad for you

My reasoning for this was that if you could empirically measure the HIGH versus the LOW im sure you would find the LOW greatly out weighs the HIGH. A good analogy would be like drinking 600ml of water and then finding you have to pour 2 litres back in to fill the container back to where it was.

For a couple of hours of fun, i am literally on my ass for the next week, the difference (delta) is empiricall proof pills are bad. And notice how i am using the word pills and not MDMA

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Pills are not bad news necessarily as long as they contain only mdma. I personally think that the mdma high is completely worth the hangover it has the potential to produce. If I have an exceptionally bad crash I was probably in a bad mindset to begin with and shouldn't have even indulged in the first place. People should know the risks and use accordingly.

Pills (and powder for that matter) should always be tested if you do not personally know and trust the chemist that synthesized them.
 
time traveler said:
I used to take a pill, have a blast, and then comedown thinking "what goes up must come down"

But now i just think pills are really bad news. The reason you feel so bad post roll is just that these things are bad for you

My reasoning for this was that if you could empirically measure the HIGH versus the LOW im sure you would find the LOW greatly out weighs the HIGH. A good analogy would be like drinking 600ml of water and then finding you have to pour 2 litres back in to fill the container back to where it was.

For a couple of hours of fun, i am literally on my ass for the next week, the difference (delta) is empiricall proof pills are bad. And notice how i am using the word pills and not MDMA

my .02
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Definitely well said, for a lot of the bunk pills sold as "ecstasy" these days definitely twist the body and mind on the comedown especially if theres amphetamines or not even a trace of MDMA. Try and locate some good pills man, it should brighten your spirits up :). Also, theres good ways of battling harsh comedowns.... alcohol, cannabis, K (though never tried that myself so not sure how it would drag out the body). I think if its a really harsh comedown that lasts for a week, you should avoid that dealer/source.
 
I feel the comedown for only a couple of days, the second day usually just being the dryness of throat............certainly never a week.

I also wouldnt call it a hangover..........

Time traveller discussed the comedown not being worth the high and if thats the case then you really should stop using.

It is exactly that reason why I dont drink more than a few drinks..........I hate with a passion the hangover or come down from alcohol.

I wouldnt say I hate the come down from E at all.

So for me the high is definitely worth it. However everyonje is different and usage patterns play a role as well.

There however can be no doubt that mdma is not 100% safe to use..........in years to come it may well be proven that at certain dosages and spaced apart that it is completely safe however until that day comes its best to assume that its not completely safe.
 
Yeah i actually wasn't saying anything about the fact that i didn't think taking pills is worth it or whatever.. i love ecstasy and think every minute is worth it but yeah after attempting to study for my exams and seeing how badly i can write down what i learned there is some significant difference and no i have to work around it till it recovers
 
Wish I could pawn my problems off on my drug use.I'm not trying to be an asshole here but you have to understand the point I'm trying to get across.As an adult I accept changes made from my drug usage and expect them.Instead of blaming MDMA why not try exercises to make your memory better or at least that seems like a much more productive approach to me.A bit more effort may be necessary don't cheap out on yourself.
 
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i find it harder to study, remember things etc compared to before i had taken ecstasy..
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Can you tell us how you're quantifying the performance of your memory? Did you take a memory test before you started E, then take the same memory test after you had taken E?

Or is this just a vague feeling you have?

Have you considered the exams that you're doing now might be harder than the exams you were doing 2 years ago and that's why your "memory" seems worse?

Will this memory problem go away if i just stay away from all drugs?

No. The older you get the worse your memory gets - it's a fundamental feature of human physiology. However you can exercise your memory and improve it at any age.
 
I mean, I found it a thousand times harder revising for my A-levels than for my O-levels and at that time I'd never taken E. No mysterious aftereffects of E are needed to find exams harder to prepare for as you get older - that's simply how exams have been designed to work :)
 
trip.more said:
Wish I could pawn my problems off on my drug use.I'm not trying to be an asshole here but you have to understand the point I'm trying to get across.As an adult I accept changes made from my drug usage and expect them.Instead of blaming MDMA why not try exercises to make your memory better or at least that seems like a much more productive approach to me.A bit more effort may be necessary don't cheap out on yourself.
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Wow what made you think i was just looking for attention or whatever i was just trying to make a thread to show other users about my experience.. just like a warning.. of course i'm going to try my best to improve it.. I've ordered piracetam and borrowed a book from my friend called "How to develop a super power memory By Harry Lorayne" which so far has been fairly interesting. So please don't assume and judge :) Can i also remind you i have done all this when i only found out about my memory issues about 14hours ago.. And had to attend a class today. I'm not boasting but you make it seem like iam some idiot that wants a shoulder to cry on, which kind of annoys me since my only intention is to firstly find out how bad the damage is to my self and if its permanent and secondly to warn/help other people.. after all this forum is for harm reduction
 
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