MDMA + Methylone + 4-FA Combo question

[TheWikkidOne]

I would like to get some general opinions on what would be the best amounts of these to take simultaneously. I have a very high tolerance and was thinking that 60-80mg MDMA, 40-50mg M1, and 30mg 4-FA would be a great combination together (if taken orally) as they all seem to act on the same receptor sites in a similar manner, and would work well synergistically for an overall long, non-neurotoxic, pleasurable stim/euphoric experience. Similar proportions but smaller amounts if insufflated.

Can anyone with experience with this combo offer any insight into how they would operate together care to share their thoughts?

 

[Venrak]

I'm worried about you combining three SRI/SRA. You'd have to get the doses right.

Wait before dosing for someone with more experience in combining seretonergic drugs to comment.

 

[Crashing]

Generally these combos are experimented with to give an experience akin to the MDMA roll, not sure why you'd want to mix things with the mother drug. If you have a high tolerance to MDMA, then you probably shouldn't be taking any serotonin releasers, at least for a while.

 

[TheWikkidOne]

Generally these combos are experimented with to give an experience akin to the MDMA roll, not sure why you'd want to mix things with the mother drug. If you have a high tolerance to MDMA, then you probably shouldn't be taking any serotonin releasers, at least for a while.

This is not necessarily for me, but friends as well. The mother drug (which will be in pure crystal form aka 'moonrock') is quite expensive and was thinking that the right proportions might create a similar, if not more pleasurable effect (and be more cost effective), while making use of these analogs which a friend has had for a while and done nothing with.

I'm worried about you combining three SRI/SRA. You'd have to get the doses right.

Wait before dosing for someone with more experience in combining seretonergic drugs to comment.

yes, would definitely like to avoid any chance of serotonin syndrome, although I don't really see the possibility of this happening with such low amounts. I eagerly await one of the serotonergic pros to chime in.

 

[hatrix]

This is not necessarily for me, but friends as well. The mother drug (which will be in pure crystal form aka 'moonrock') is quite expensive and was thinking that the right proportions might create a similar, if not more pleasurable effect (and be more cost effective), while making use of these analogs which a friend has had for a while and done nothing with.



yes, would definitely like to avoid any chance of serotonin syndrome, although I don't really see the possibility of this happening with such low amounts. I eagerly await one of the serotonergic pros to chime in.

They might very well potentate each others serotonogenic effects.

It just seems very risky to me. 1+1 combos still hold risk, no reason to add another chemical to it. If you must do more than one, try to stick with two.

 

[TheWikkidOne]

or what about MDMA + MDPPP + 4-FA in the right proportions? he has those as well, and has often started with the former while insufflating small amounts of latter over the course of an evening with much success - but with a different ROA and them all being simultaneously delivered at once, could it create an even better experience? seems like it would, lowering the dose of MDMA and peppering in the others would all potentiate each others seroternergic effects perhaps. this is why I come to all you guys, after all.

 

[B.mans]

I don't think it adds anything to combine all 3. My favorite combo between those 3 substances is taking the 4-FA, and after 3 hours or so when it's almost worn out take the MDMA. In my experience that leads to a much stronger "roll", and you can be relatively clearheaded in the beginning and get into the space more when the party continues. You could also take both together if you don't want to wait with taking MDMA, I've done so in the past and that went well.

My dosage would be 150- 200mg of 4-fa and something like 140mg MDMA, but as dosage requirements differ greatly from person to person I wouldn't take that as a recommendation. Think about what your usual dosages would be with those substances and if you take them at the same time go a bit lower.

Methylone and 4-FA is also a nice combo, but different.

BTW if you're set on doing all 3 it doesn't sounds too dangerous, you've kept the dosages pretty low. I just believe it wouldn't add anything. Using more substances concurrently doesn't automatically lead to a better experience, especially when they're similar in effects.

 

[TheWikkidOne]

BTW if you're set on doing all 3 it doesn't sounds too dangerous, you've kept the dosages pretty low. I just believe it wouldn't add anything. Using more substances concurrently doesn't automatically lead to a better experience, especially when they're similar in effects.

as long as it doesn't take away anything, except the high cost of MDMA in such a pure form. He is hoping that keeping the MDMA in there helps to retain some of the 'magic', while making for a more cost-effective 'roll'.

I don't think it adds anything to combine all 3. My favorite combo between those 3 substances is taking the 4-FA, and after 3 hours or so when it's almost worn out take the MDMA. In my experience that leads to a much stronger "roll", and you can be relatively clearheaded in the beginning and get into the space more when the party continues. You could also take both together if you don't want to wait with taking MDMA, I've done so in the past and that went well.

My dosage would be 150- 200mg of 4-fa and something like 140mg MDMA, but as dosage requirements differ greatly from person to person I wouldn't take that as a recommendation. Think about what your usual dosages would be with those substances and if you take them at the same time go a bit lower.

Methylone and 4-FA is also a nice combo, but different.

That sounds about right for my dosage as well, although we are not like most people it sounds like. 200mg of 4-FA is a reasonably high dose to take all at once, yea? Your dosage of the normal MDMA sounds good enough, especially since it's moonrock (apparently you need to do less to 'feel' it, according to most people who have tried it). Will experiment with the M1/4-FA and see where it takes me, thanks.

 

[Venrak]

BTW if you're set on doing all 3 it doesn't sounds too dangerous, you've kept the dosages pretty low. I just believe it wouldn't add anything. Using more substances concurrently doesn't automatically lead to a better experience, especially when they're similar in effects.

That is bullshit, it is not worth the risk.

 

[hangyourhead]

Id just take the MDMA by itself. The effects are sufficient by themselves. Like Venrak said, not worth risking. Be safe

 

[bronson]

Moving this BDD --> ED