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MDMA + Mesc HCl

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Mkat, I could never pass up the combo, it probably the funnest sounding thing I could think of.
That written, I think you should be appreciative of the people cautioning you, they seem to be genuine in their concern and this is a harm reduction forum. Come to think of it, they may have a point. Maybe you should save it for a month, so your brain is closer to equilibrium. It will probably make the experience much more enjoyable. Not that I could do this...
 
MagicalKat777 said:
Cactiflipping
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Oh, and it's called "love flipping", but yeah, take a break.

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Here's the deal. I hadn't done a hallucinogen since 2006... I hadn't rolled since 2008...
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Didnt you do 4-HO-MET just recently? and MDMA?
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and when I roll, ]I do energy work to try to repair the extreme damage that has been done by my various meds I've been on.
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This just makes you sound like a certifiable loon and is completely contrary to what you NEED to be doing to restore the damage that has been done to your brain.
 
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I'm going to explode with rage in a minute. Look I appreciate the concern but I've already made up my mind what I'm going to do. Starting Monday I'm probably going to be on Celexa so I have to party it up while I still can...
 
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I'm going to explode with rage in a minute. Look I appreciate the concern but I've already made up my mind what I'm going to do.
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Hey, man, do all the drugs you want, more power to you, but don't come on here and expect to be coddled and told that it's a good idea when it ain't.
 
I like the sound of this combo.

4-HO-MET is unlikely to have much more danger than psilocin, and you shouldn't worry about having taken it recently w.r.t. using MDMA. Methylone is more of a concern, and mephedrone is just a bad idea no matter how you look at it.

You're crazy if you think 5-HTP does anything beyond placebo, and doing multiple grams of MDMA in a weekend is a really terrible idea. MDMA has the worst tolerance buildup of any psych and it can take years to dissipate.

Find something else to do this weekend. GHB (which should never be used chronically), moxy, 2Cs, or ketamine, maybe.
 
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My MDMA binge was almost 3 weeks ago...

5-HTP is definitely not placebo. There are scientific studies that back it as effective an antidepressant if not MORE effective than current antidepressants with the most common side effect being nausea and sleepiness. For me, it hits like a drug... the first few days I take it, I will actually have mild serotonergic visuals and a weird dysphoric body high from it.

I haven't done much methylone lately because I've been out. I did a little bit last night to try this new batch and that's it.

People are trying to say I'm using more often than I am. I track my drug usage. Its approximately once every 3 days. Considering I used to polydrug combo 36+ hours at a time with research chemicals as dangerous as 5-MeO-AMT (eyeballed until I got a scale), ridiculous doses of 2C-I and 2C-E... I think I'm doing fine.

As for MDMA and tolerance - I pretty much laugh at that statement - I've never had MDMA tolerance build up, I've just had some ridiculously nasty fucking crashes (which is why I will never binge on molly like I did last time - that was my first time with molly, I was with a guy I really liked, and it just was too damn much fun to stop).
 
With regard to 5-HTP, I mean as neuroprotective. Its antidepressant potency is documented (though last I checked plain old L-tryptophan was more effective), its effectiveness at preventing MDMA neurotoxicity has not been shown in either rats or humans.

And like I said -- MDMA has a tolerance and it lasts. You're not going to notice it, obviously, if you're not used to MDMA, just be aware that it takes forever to go away.
 
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Stop highjacking this thread with your self-righteous nonsense, people. I want to talk about this combo that is the object of this thread, not read about a bunch of lecturing and "my addiction-dick is bigger than your addiction-dick" bullshit. You aren't MagicalKat's parents and he/she will decide what drugs s/he wants to take. All you can do as a member of this forum is supply him with objective and anecdotal information and he can make his own choices from there.

I've never tried mescaline+MDMA, I'd love to hear your experiences with it MagicalKat as to me it sounds like one of the most sublime possible combinations. The colorful/euphoric hallucinations of mescaline plus the euphoria of MDMA sounds unbeatable.
 
From what I've read you need to take 5HTP with a decarboxylase inhibitor like green tea extract if you want any to get into your brain or it'll get destroyed long before it makes it. I assume other enzymes in the brain covert it to serotonin from there (or that the inhibitor doesn't cross the BBB). It'd be nice to see some definite evidence for the approach, though.
 
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Stop highjacking this thread with your self-righteous nonsense, people. I want to talk about this combo that is the object of this thread, not read about a bunch of lecturing and "my addiction-dick is bigger than your addiction-dick" bullshit. You aren't MagicalKat's parents and he/she will decide what drugs s/he wants to take. All you can do as a member of this forum is supply him with objective and anecdotal information and he can make his own choices from there.

I've never tried mescaline+MDMA, I'd love to hear your experiences with it MagicalKat as to me it sounds like one of the most sublime possible combinations. The colorful/euphoric hallucinations of mescaline plus the euphoria of MDMA sounds unbeatable.
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what da hell you talking about homey? If you talking about me and my reference to my IV heroin habit, well I wass just sayin that to let him know Im on the same page as him about addiction...I know it sucks from personal experience.

This is a harm reduction board and moreover PD is a close community that is bound with love/care for each other (well it was at least not sure honestly if it is anymore :\).

If you want to study these drugs 'objectively' then go to pubmed. If you want to talk with real live people with real live (delicate/fragile) brains then come here and we will educate you about how to safely use psychedelic drugs.
 
Well I can tell you from personal experience that I was in a SEVERE depression (ready to kill myself) and took 100mg of the Natrol brand 5-HTP and about 15 minutes later, the depression was gone. Tells me it passes the BBB...

Anyway, as for this combo... I'm going to enjoy the mesc by itself first... then maybe combo it on another day. From what I've read, this is a combo that will literally shatter reality and I'm not up for that at the moment.
 
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No I know how to control myself.
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Don't curse yourself, but were you not juggling your job over meph and random uppers and downers like a week ago?
I'm not a stalker, just a PD'er that has noticed you posting plenty of bad and good shit. Cutting the crap in reality takes every sentient being some active and concious effort, magical child or not.
 
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Kicked out of college for daily DXM use? No definitely not me.

And as for my job, I really just don't give a shit about it... I hate my job and I'm going to milk my short term disability until I am off my benzos.
 
Matsuo Munefusa. said:
"I know my limits"

dude, this is the MOST classic addict line ever given :\ recognize yourself for what you have become with these types of drugs: an addict.

Clean yourself up and restrict your use or you will end up depressed and on strong medications just to get by and not kill yourself.

Its harsh but true my friend.
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Because he wants to combine mescaline and MDMA?
 
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Kicked out of college for daily DXM use? No definitely not me.
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Mixup! Maybe the future me lulz :D

To get on topic, I would definitely give mescaline time alone to talk first! (I actually tried LSD on MDMA my first time, but as an experienced user of psychs I would have done both alone first.... especially in this case!)
 
^Yeah, I wouldn't think so. Taking a ++ dose of mescaline and a ++ dose of MDMA wouldn't be more neurotoxic than two ++ doses of MDMA taken together. Like other phenethylamines mescaline may have mild monoamine releasing/reuptake inhibiting properties but it's far less than MDMA's.
 
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