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After much discussion on http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/631070-How-we-rolled-in-the-90s-when-the-pills-were-super-strong

I am concluding that the hit I'm looking for to replicate the early crazy pills of Europe 1990-1995 are MDMA with MDA and a solid wack of amp.

I've seen a few threads on MDMA + MDA and you get messier. To me my recollection of circa 90s Doves were a solid come up then a real jaw hanging dancey vibe that lasted way longer than todays straight MDMA pills. I hear MDA lasts longer which would ring true as to why the older pills lasted longer, and also was just really off your faceness.

I am thinking of getting some MDA, although I'm not sure if it will be true MDA as I can only test MDxx.

I wondered who has tried MDMA + MDA and could describe the experience in terms of duration and high.
 
You can test MDMA from MDA, get the simons reagent kit. It tests primary amines (MDA, amphetamine) from secondary amines (MDMA, MDEA, methamphetamine)


You get a lot more of the E Tard effect on the combo, forgetting who you're talking to, etc lol. Great combo though, I'd keep speed out of it. It would just take away from the empathy
 
Thank you Folley, great advice as usual. I really want to create the old skool mix - and if I have MDMA + MDA and amp I don't see why not.

I'd like to drop the amp too, it's too heavy on the body.

I will get the Simons kit. And from what I hear about MDA, in that you are not so into talking to people, this sounds like a good chunk of it was in the old skool pills.

New pills, I seem to want to talk to people, and I'm not as out of it as I used to be. Plus duration, am I right in saying MDA has better duration?
 
As far as I know about MDA, there's a lot of speculation.

I hear it is far more visual than MDMA with a weaker body high, but the duration is longer.

I would say, I hear it is a fantastic combination. I would not ruin the body high and empathy with something as pedestrian as amphetamine.
 
Renz Envy said:
I would say, I hear it is a fantastic combination. I would not ruin the body high and empathy with something as pedestrian as amphetamine.
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Well I'm telling you, those old skool pills were amped up defo. But not ridiculous, saying that I would be soaking wet with sweat t-shirt and jeans. I used to take a spare tshirt with me and I'll never forget the cold air hitting soaking wet jeans leaving the club. I still could get to sleep though ok.

With even the best Defcon pills, they last only 2 hours. I always got 3-4 from the old pills, this I am thinking is down to the MDA in them. From everything I am analysing and comparing, MDA seems to be the vital ingredient of the older gear. Well I won't know till I combo it.

Nowadays I see combos of MDMA and MDE. Seems to be the new thing.
 
mark881 said:
Nowadays I see combos of MDMA and MDE. Seems to be the new thing.
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Uhh... not really.. in fact, not at all lol.

MDE is rare as FUCK worldwide. Rarer than most research chemicals. People just don't make it anymore...

the pills you're referring to, the Rockstars, did contain MDE, but only in trace amounts. They were tested 3 times, one was 60mg MDMA + trace amounts (under 5mg) of MDE and caffeine. The next batch contained MDA in trace amounts, and the last ones were MDMA only.


Other than that though, there haven't been any reports of MDE.



and as for the duration thing... I'm sure that has MUCH more to do with the amp content, not the MDA. If you're going to mix amp with your pills, make sure it's a very small amount. Like, 25mg tops for speed paste. 5-10mg for pharmacuitical speed
 
Folley should be a pillreport mod, lol.

It really depends on the quantity of the AMP and if its methamphetamine or Dextroamphetamine

because you will crash off dextroamphetamine pretty quick and it'll ruin the smoothness of a roll.
Meth's crash is at least nice enough to let you off slow enough so that your roll will be ending when you crash.

That's just my opinion though.
 
Renz Envy said:
Folley should be a pillreport mod, lol.
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Right?

Personally, I've taken a TON of meth with MDMA and I've always found it to make the comedown extremely worse. I would expect normal amphetamine to have less of a comedown, but I've never tried anything other than meth. Serotonin, dopamine and norepinephrine downregulation at the same time is NOT a fun thing.

He's in the UK though, no meth to be had up there anyways
 
I have taken adderall with a roll and I started coming down off adderall before my roll ended, but it essentially ruined the body high and the fun for me.

Yes, m-amp with mdma is fun. Incredibly fun. But you do it knowing that the comedown is going to suck and the recovery time is going to be a lot longer. I refuse to do that combination without an ample amount of GHB or benzos in case of anxiety and to put myself to sleep.

Of course, GHB takes like any come down and makes it fun. While everyone is quiet and irritable, you're giggling and texting every member of the opposite sex you have on your phone.
 
Last night my raver friend said the old skool pills were a combo of MDMA, MDEA and amp.

MDEA isn't very prevalent nowadays, comments on this?
 
^ I'd guess that it's due to the precursors being used that it isn't made anymore. Can't really talk about synthesis though.


I'd love to try MDE, I've never been able to even hear about it going around in these areas :\ I'd have a better chance of finding crystal LSD or extracted mescaline
 
Just did this combo last night with my lady friend. 100mg of crystal (licorice smelling) MDMA, mixed with a little over 100mg of powdered white MDA. After the first time I tried the two together, I told myself it would be hard to ever do the 2 separately again. They 'fill each other in' so to speak. MDA provides the trippyness, eye candy, and psychedelic headspace that MDMA lacks, while MDMA provides the intense rush, feelings of love and empathy, and pure euphoria that MDA lacks.

In my opinion, it feels like the two chemicals were twins separated at birth, truly meant to be taken together. It makes the experience feel like one complete drug has been taken. It's like what I am looking for when I candyflip, but still hadn't quite found. The visuals on MDA are so incredibly pleasurable, and the body high second to none. My girlfriend and I talked through some real issues that has been making us put barriers up against each other.

We also did some nitrous throughout the night, and each time it would blast us into psychedelic space, I was able to fully see both of our auras with eyes closed, and I could actually SEE the blockage in her channels, ie the repressed emotions about previous problems that she had been squeezing down into her soul, causing her to ultimately be sick. Once we talked through the issues, her aura was completely vibrant and colorful, and we could again meld into one person.

Aniracetam was also taken prior to the experience, to provide lubrication for the mind so to speak, along with a magnesium/mineral blend for the jaw clenching. If proper care is taken of one's body, there is no reason to experience any sort of 'etard' effect. This used to happen in my younger days of dosing, before I knew how to provide my body and mind the nutrition it needs, and most importantly, never redose.
 
Folley - what different precursors are required for MDEA vs MDMA?

Cryptix - wow, great info thank you. I will defo need to get hold of this MDA. Can I ask what magnesium supplement you use because grindy jaw is doing my head in.

Also Aniracetam - you think better than Piracetam?

I am with you on NOT redosing. The problem is todays MDMA pills fizzle out in 2hours at most, usually 90 minutes. Vs the old skool pills which I suspect are MDMA/MDEA/MDA/Amp combo they lasted 3-4 hours and NO WAY would you even want to redose on those things, the club would be shutting time you were coming down.

I've tried uping my dose to 180mg, and I got 2hour trip but doing that I found I was gaga at the peak which was a bit overwhelming/like I was gonna have a weed whitey.
 
Nah man, I don't see the MDMA 'fizzling out' after 2 hours. I was up for a good 3-4 hours, and let down nice and slow due to MDA's slightly longer duration. We took the MDA first and the MDMA about an hour later. Just gotta find a better source for MDMA. If it is high quality, it will smell vaguely like licorice.

Yes, I feel aniracetam is more worthwhile than piracetam. To each his own though. I also took a tiny dose of noopept today to jumpstart the healing process.

I use something called concentrace mineral blend.
 
Great combination, MDA is mildly hallucinogenic and my DOI. Shame it's hard to come by! A small redose is fine to prolong duration just don't go mad. Whatever size bomb you do follow up with a 50% to 75% topup half an hour or hour after you first drop.
 
^ I think it is highly irresponsible to advise people to redose. This is the number one thing that will make the neurotoxicity much, much worse.

The logic here is 'space your rolls'...so do you really want to space them by 30 minutes to an hour when the recommended wait time is 3 months? Think about it.
 
mark881 said:
Folley - what different precursors are required for MDEA vs MDMA?
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We aren't allowed to discuss synthesis here on Bluelight... we were a little lax on the rules before, but they're wanting to clamp down on that.


^ Shulgin recommended people to redose... but you're right. I still do it occasionally, but only once and I keep it around 50% of the first dose. The rules for redosing are to never take more after an hour... after then you're missing out on that initial serotonin release just going to get those nasty side effects no one wants.

I say it's always best not to redose, but since I can only roll every 3 months, I want to get as much out of that roll as I possibly can... if I do a little extra damage, I'm always sure to take a longer break after
 
^ Shulgin is not the end all be all. He is simply a man, and a drug addict, like many of us here. The facts are that redosing greatly ramps up the damage you do to your 5-ht network, while producing almost unnoticeable extensions in duration and intensity of your roll. Is that extra hour of norepinephrine coursing through your blood really worth 2-4 weeks of added shitty feelings? In my opinion it is not.

I also only roll 3-4 times a year, but I do not feel compelled to redose in order to get the most out of my rolls. It is all set and setting my friend. Try it with a close girl friend in a comfortable setting perhaps.

Of course preaching is pointless to some extent, I also used to redose, until I learned how much greater the afterglow and entire experience is when only taking a single dose. Often time people must learn the hard way.
 
Taking a half dose between the 30min and 60min mark leaves me feeling the same afterwards as if I only took one bomb, but extends the roll by about an hour.
 
Definitely re-dose dilema. I usually drop 120mg pill then 1hour later drop another.

I have newer stronger pills, I might do 3/4, although I saw someone on a whole one and they were out of it. I don't want to end up that way.

I'll do some TUMS to neutralise the acid in my stomach, someone said 1 pill = 1.5pills if you do this. Would prolong the need to redose I guess.
 
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