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Ondine

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I was recently given 0.3g of a heroin/ecstasy blend (interesting, right?) from a very reputable person, and I had a few questions I was hoping could be answered.

First off, can anyone give insight into how good/bad this combo is? The obvious RoA is insufflation, so this means they'll be taken at the same time; I've read some TRs about the combo before, but it's usually oral MDMA, then IV heroin at +1:30-2:00.

The guy who gave it to me knows his stuff, so I have to wonder why he chose to mix these two substances together. Anyone have any theories about the benefits.

Also, it was given to me from this guy through a friend, so I'm unsure of the mixture ratio. I'm suspecting the amount of heroin isn't that high. I'm experienced with opiates and but my tolerance isn't the highest. I'm planning on sniffing it in 60-80mg increments, as when I sniff #4 heroin, I usually do around 20-40mg.
 
Aha its funny, I heard that years ago aswell, the second or third time I was trying molly. turned out after the fact it was just heroin, and the kid was trying to make me a dope customer. Given its possible, not probable, that your guy is telling the truth, he mixed molly with heroine. Well what other cuts were in the molly? Then in the heroin? Say its 70mg mdma, and the other 80mg is inactive cuts and speed. Your speedballing.
 
I'm personally not a fan of mixing opiates and MDMA, but others have had good results.

If you have a low opiate tolerance, and have not tried this combination before then I'd take it very slow to start with. The stimulation from the MD could mask the effects of the H, making OD possible if you're not careful.

Safest bet would be to purchase both substances separately, gauge the strength of the H first, and then combine with known safe dosages.
 
Not a safe combo at all. TBH I have serious doubts about this alleged "heroin".

Buy a marquis reagent-- It could seriously save your life. Test the "molly" and make sure an MDxx black/purple reaction is present before you even consume the stuff. Who knows what kind of weird mixture you could be getting to resemble a MDMA/heroin feeling...

Just throwing it out there... What if it's BZP + DXM or something weird like that? Not even MDMA or heroin?
 
I've used his heroin recently, so I don't doubt it's quality. As for the molly, I always test whatever MDMA I get with marquis before using. It just seemed curious to me that he planned on marketing this combo in the near future.

Disregarding any ill effects of the combo, should the effects of both drugs kick in at the same time if taken intranasally? I can't help but feel that you would feel the heroin first.
 
My advice is that if you're going to mix uppers and downers, go with known safe dosages.

Don't dose anything in an upper/downer combo until you've gauged the potency accurately beforehand.

And as severely etarded stated: you have no idea what these substances are. It'd be risky to consume separately, let alone in a combo.

If you want to try this combo, more preparation should go certainly go into it. You need to purchase both substances separately, and test both (via reagent for MDMA, as well as consumption of both to gauge potency).

There is an additional risk of OD when mixing uppers and downers (as I said, masking of effects occurs and can lead to excessive dosing), so if you're going to go with this combo, it would be irresponsible and reckless not to do so as safely as possible.
 
Darksidesam said:
my advice is don't mix uppers and downers
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Better advice - don't mix anything with opiates.

Adderall + valium is pretty safe in reasonable dosages i.e. 20 mg + 10 mg


Opiates strain on breathing is what makes them dangerous. Stimulants increase CNS activity which means more need for air. Not good to mix opiates with anything... i know people who have died from oxy/xanax and oxy/alcohol combos also.

Opiates are meant for pain management, typically. You can use them to get high but I wouldn't recommend that for anyone unless they want to become an addict. I would also recommend not mixing them with MDMA unless you are an addict and need them not to be dopesick on MDMA (i knew a guy who was addicted to opiates and cant feel MDMA properly unless he's on dope) Don't get dependent on opiates for rolling like the guy I know... just my $.02
 
I rember when it was rumored that pills with brown bits in had speckleshad smack in em lol
 
Ok so i don't chime in much, but when to heroin or opiates i an an expert. If you do heroin or any opiates before your roll, then it well be dead or very little. Especially if you are an addict. After you roll you will feel like a million bucks. Although key wordis that you are not an addict, (every day user).... In either case heroin has been safely used
in my comedowns as effectively a most downers. There.
 
Is also the risk of an heart attack which comes with most speedballs.,my advice is to quit the opiates and enjoy your life......


Houston
 
Mel22 said:
Source?

I cannot imagine the risk being any higher than that of taking the stimulant on its own.
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When you take a stimulant that increases heart rate, your breathing needs to be able to compensate, or your heart will literally suffocate from beating so fast and not breathing. Opiates depress respiratory activity, which is VERY dangerous on stimulants.

You want a source? Google it. Here, I did it for you.

http://www.google.com/search?q=speed+ball+heart+attack
 
Mel22 said:
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I cannot imagine the risk being any higher than that of taking the stimulant on its own.
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the risk as you said before is not being able to handle the individual doses. there is a common thought that "mixed messages" will lead to a heart attack, but think about it, if you go into an emergency room from taking too much of an upper they are going to give you a downer (benzo) to prevent heart attack!

If you want to eliminate harm, don't take any drugs. But if you do, I agree with you: know your doses and effects. There is no more danger of combining uppers and downers, or downers and more downers (opiates and alcohol for example) at low, manageable doses than there is of taking one alone at an unmanageable dose. But of course there are some that should be avoided at all costs like mdma and dxm.

Blanket statements of "don't do this..." are perfectly fine, since not doing something eliminates the risk. But I'm glad i didn't take the advise of many people ("just say NO to drugs! drugs are bad 'mkay?) and ventured on with knowledge and responsible TITRATION. (look at all the substances Shulgin has consumed, always starting with extremely low doses). I LOVE the combo of opiates and alcohol and that can be an extremely dangerous combo; but I have never had anything near an adverse effect because I have always and always will use controlled, responsible doses.

The old saying rings true: the dose makes the poison...
 
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The way an opioid/upper mixture is dangerous, besides masking the effects of either, is that they both lower the seizure threshold and opioids block the vagus nerve, which tells the heart to slow down. Read the vagolytic action makes a heart arrythmia SVT, or supraventricular tachycardia(heart rate over 100bpm, up to about 200bpm) worse. SVT is commonly induced by uppers or alcohol. Supraventricular tachycardia can feel unpleasant and scary but is usually not dangerous. Not sure if it turns it into another dangerous arrhythmia.

I read a study about the effects of heroin, cocaine, quinine and mixtures of them on rats. I think, if my memory is right, that low doses of cocaine actually reduced the lethality of heroin, high doses more lethal.
 
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