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MDMA has ties to theology, philosophy and the Bible

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moke

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So i'm in the process of formulating a conceptual theory that ties the Manna spoken in the bible also found in ancient Hindu mythology as Soma and ancient Persian mythology as Haoma to a resurfacing substance that has been around for the last century. The irony and connections are overwhelming and I'm still in the process of putting it together. Essentially it is with my utmost discretion and belief that I have reason to believe that MDMA (3,4-methylenedioxy-N-methylamphetamine) often known as the street drug "ecstasy" or "Molly" and often referred to "moon rocks" in its purest form resembles the substance spoken in ancient mythology and in the bible in the book of Exodus. I will go ahead and share the direct source where i'm getting some of my information from. I truly believe there is a substance that has returned to this earth that is purifying the minds of the people and restoring peace. I have been seeing it with my own eyes for sometime now.

Another connection I found peculiar was if you read the excerpt from the book link it describes that this substance was ingested by the greek gods after battle to purify them from the evil they endured. Just recently an Organization named MAPS ( Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies) has been approved my the DEA to do clinical studies using MDMA for treating PTSD. Some more ties few ties I see with MDMA is the substance was first synthesized by a pharmaceutical who were trying to create an appetite suppressant. Hm, that would offer much Irony to the story in the Bible of God giving the Israelite s manna to offer them substance. If you pronounce MDMA phonetically it resembles the sound of Manna. Its physical characteristics match those of whats described in the bible. In theology there is a prophecy that speaks that mankind is in search for this missing 'Capstone' or 'cap of stone.' Funny that MDMA when distributed in purity is found in a capsule that looks like 'moon stone.' So my research is still deep in the process, but leading to justifying the relationship between the moon and mdma. My data is taking me to look closely to story of Appollo 11 and the secret ceremony that took place the first time we stepped foot on the moon. Could it have an initiated a great return? Please send anything that could be applied to this data. Thanks and hope you like.

http://experimentaltheology.blogspot.com/2011/11/new-manna.html

If you begin reading from p. 88-95 it will discuss the substance i'm talking about.
http://books.google.com/books?id=Kp...cOoLooASWwoDoDw#v=twopage&q=manna moon&f=true
(The Moon
books.google.com)
 
Well thanks and yes the syntheziation of mdma could be relative beacuse it is amongst biochemestry (alchemy old ages) this substance is supposed to return in
 
ScaredFirstTimer said:
Pretty sure there is a bunch of evidence for Soma being ephedrine (ephedra tea)
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not conclusive evidence. it might as well be fly agaric, a complex mixture of different herbs, or even something that doesn't exist anymore (just like the romans collected their most valued spice to extinction).
 
I'm not familiar with ephedrine tea, but will look into it. Go read the excerpt from the book. read page 91 it talks about this substance being, "the platonic idea of knowledge as recollection, a remembering of the original pure form of which the phenomenal world is a reflection. Ecstasy-standing Greek stasis (outside) Ek (oneself) brought about by intoxication, itself brought about by drinking of the soma plant, then reveals the world in its original dissolved state-as Soma- where it suddenly appears eternal and unified, in contrast to the secular experience of dismemberment in time." HMM, resembles an experience of MDMA to me.
 
moke said:
I'm not familiar with ephedrine tea, but will look into it. Go read the excerpt from the book. read page 91 it talks about this substance being, "the platonic idea of knowledge as recollection, a remembering of the original pure form of which the phenomenal world is a reflection. Ecstasy-standing Greek stasis (outside) Ek (oneself) brought about by intoxication, itself brought about by drinking of the soma plant, then reveals the world in its original dissolved state-as Soma- where it suddenly appears eternal and unified, in contrast to the secular experience of dismemberment in time." HMM, resembles an experience of MDMA to me.
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It could resemble a vast number of experiences. This seems more suited for your blog TBH
 
Well I go ahead and ask mods to keep this thread open because no one has taken this approach in researching MDMA until me. I believe their is enough irony in the data I have presented to take notice. And yet other substances may have been theorized none have ties to the moon like mdma and for crying out loud thatss excerpt said this substance would bring ecsstasy. MDMA has been given the slang term ecstasy!
 
Its ok if you want to have an imaginary friend who lives in the sky with all of your dead relatives, but this site is about facts and anecdotal evidence, so please take the bedtime stories to another site so we can focus on harm reduction and the sharing of researchable, well-documented empirical evidence. #shakingmyfuckinghead...violently
 
p.s. man to man, sorry for being a dick, but religious zealots have been dicks to atheists for fucking centuries. oh wait, you just exterminated them in the public square for centuries, youve just been dicks for about 80 yrs.
 
Haha wow. My above claim is purely supported by factual data found in theology, astronomy and science of a substannce. I'm purely suggesting the irony I found could support the possibility of connecting them. Sure this claim can be retained preposterous to an atheisst intellect that hhas no ddesire to apply spiriruality. However that is not my concern and you can take your beliefs or lack of eleswhere. I'm sharing this with the people who realize the power of the world is far greater than what we see. I'm not religously affialeted but yes I'm apply my studies with an openn mind. Yes Mdma is a chemical but if you study philosophy this substannce is supposedly to return in science itself . Itsknown as thhe philpssohers stone, elixir of life, manna from heaven. Your lack of knowledge and study doesn't allow you to retain my claim as I can. Go write about your meaningless life elsewhere..
 
moke said:
I'm not familiar with ephedrine tea, but will look into it. Go read the excerpt from the book. read page 91 it talks about this substance being, "the platonic idea of knowledge as recollection, a remembering of the original pure form of which the phenomenal world is a reflection. Ecstasy-standing Greek stasis (outside) Ek (oneself) brought about by intoxication, itself brought about by drinking of the soma plant, then reveals the world in its original dissolved state-as Soma- where it suddenly appears eternal and unified, in contrast to the secular experience of dismemberment in time." HMM, resembles an experience of MDMA to me.
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This sounds more like a psychedelic experience, not MDMA. I think you're reaching man... make sure you don't lose your balance while you're out there and fall.
 
Ecstasy is classified as a psychoactive psychedelic. Appreciate your input. I purely posted this theory in hopes someone could provvide data either supporting or providing evidennce juustifying the claims impossibilty . I havnnt recieved either.
 
So you are insinuating it is imposssible for biochemistry and doesn't have the possible ability to recreate or synthesize a possible once existing substance. That's all your saying. I say it could be.
 
"supported by factual data found in theology" - and therein lies the crux of the problem. you think a text written by people who thought the earth was flat back in the bronze age is "evidence" of something. well, out of respect for the site and since its your thread, i will just go lead my "meaningless life" LMFAO. tell yourself whatever you need to in order to comprehend atheism. i live a moral and extremely meaningful life....all w/o superstitious, juvenile nonsense to get me through the day.
 
facedbeyond82 said:
"supported by factual data found in theology" - and therein lies the crux of the problem. you think a text written by people who thought the earth was flat back in the bronze age is "evidence" of something. well, out of respect for the site and since its your thread, i will just go lead my "meaningless life" LMFAO. tell yourself whatever you need to in order to comprehend atheism. i live a moral and extremely meaningful life....all w/o superstitious, juvenile nonsense to get me through the day.
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Good for you my dude. I study all sorts of theology not just Christianity. I'm agnostic more specifically Astrotheologist. I study all religions and apply them to astronomy and nature. It is the above so below understanding. Juvenile and superstitious hmmm not quite just notes from the studies I've done. I haven't made any of this up. I'm just showing people connections I see, never said you had to believe it. Sorry I don't stop at the big bang, just doesn't fulfill my curiosity.
 
I can belive drugs like psilocybin, mescaline and dmt have been used since before recorded history.. but I just cannot possibly bring myself to belive that somthing like mdma could possibly be synthesized back then. They didn't even have glass untill... what, the 14th century? (Don't quote me on this but I know glass didn't exist in the bible ages)

besides, this is even assuming what's written in the bible is any degree of acurate; with analogies to be interpreted differently by any single person.
 
ChipTrippyFox said:
I can belive drugs like psilocybin, mescaline and dmt have been used since before recorded history.. but I just cannot possibly bring myself to belive that somthing like mdma could possibly be synthesized back then. They didn't even have glass untill... what, the 14th century? (Don't quote me on this but I know glass didn't exist in the bible ages)

besides, this is even assuming what's written in the bible is any degree of acurate; with analogies to be interpreted differently by any single person.
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Right dude I appreciate your logical input on the theory. But here I'll suggest a different hypothesis. Could you exclude the possibility of MDMA being a once natural reoccurring substance? I haven't found evidence saying it was, but you can't exclude the possibility. The focal point of this theory is to find out. If you study the mythology and philosophy of this mystical substance often referred to the elixir of life it was mentioned once being a natural reoccurring substance until it disappeared. Over the years a lot of alchemy was directed in attempting re-creating such.
 
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