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NoxNoctum

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I'm probably going to acquire a gram of pure MDMA powder sometime in the future and was wandering what the best way to go about using it in reference to possibly curing my social anxiety.

Drugs I've done up till now have been weed, LSD twice, and 2c-e once.

On both the LSD and 2c-e I learned a lot about myself, and saw through my bullshit low self-esteem delusions, but unfortunately it didn't "stick" when I sobered up.

That's where the MDMA comes in. What's the best way to use it to possibly cause permanent change? Like I said I've come into contact with my "real", anxiety-less self a few times, both on drugs and without and I'm just trying to make it permanent.

Should I binge on it over a few days? Or spread it out?

Should I take it alone and meditate (like I did with the LSD and 2c-e)? Or take it and go to a party/rave and meet people?

Thanks!

BTW, I'm not really concerned about the "risks" as things can only get better IMO (i.e. they couldn't get worse).
 
Personally, I wouldn't use any recreational drug for self-medication purposes. It might work in the short term, but over time it's just likely to make matters worse. I started using meth for similar reasons, but now I'm a complete addict, and my original problems haven't gone away. MDMA will probably make you feel more confident for a short time, but it certainly won't cure social anxiety disorder. My advise would be to see a doctor and get some proper anti-anxiety or anti-depressant medication.
 
NoxNoctum said:
I'm probably going to acquire a gram of pure MDMA powder sometime in the future and was wandering what the best way to go about using it in reference to possibly curing my social anxiety.

Drugs I've done up till now have been weed, LSD twice, and 2c-e once.

On both the LSD and 2c-e I learned a lot about myself, and saw through my bullshit low self-esteem delusions, but unfortunately it didn't "stick" when I sobered up.

That's where the MDMA comes in. What's the best way to use it to possibly cause permanent change? Like I said I've come into contact with my "real", anxiety-less self a few times, both on drugs and without and I'm just trying to make it permanent.

Should I binge on it over a few days? Or spread it out?

Should I take it alone and meditate (like I did with the LSD and 2c-e)? Or take it and go to a party/rave and meet people?

Thanks!

BTW, I'm not really concerned about the "risks" as things can only get better IMO (i.e. they couldn't get worse).
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I thought I'd first talk about the most concerning thing in your post.... The question on whether or not to binge on it for a few days. Absolutely positively not. I'm not sure how much you know about the neurotoxic effects of MDMA, and it's side effects in general, but in people who binge on MDMA or do it too often, they end up having extreme social anxiety and panic attacks among other things. So this is a definite no. MDMA is not to be used often, only once every 4-8 weeks at most, or it can cause quite a bit of damage to your brain.

Now that that is out of the way, I will say that I do think MDMA can be used to help social anxiety. Not cure it, but help it. I know that mine has gotten better since I started rolling every couple of months. Generally, I roll alone or with one or two other people, I've never done it at a party because most of my friends would disapprove if they knew of my drug use, and we don't have raves here. Of course, everybody is different, so you may find it more helpful to roll alone and think about why you have social anxiety, and help yourself to realize why you may have low self esteem issues. MDMA can really help you there, if you can keep yourself focused, you can get inside your brain and realize why you think the way you do, and generally you'll realize that it was ridiculous to think that way, and form a more positive mindset.

Alternatively, perhaps your social anxiety is not caused by a low self esteem, but rather just your own protective walls that you've put up over your life, and using MDMA in a rave or party setting can help you to connect to people while you have those walls down, and then you can gain familiarity with those social interactions while you're partying/raving while on MDMA, and they may stick with you when you're sober. This is what happened with at least one case that I've read about anyway.

So really, it could go either way. However, don't expect the drug to fix everything for you, I'm sure you already know that the drug only opens the door, you have to walk through it.
 
What's the best way to use it to possibly cause permanent change?This is called being outcome dependent. Ecstacy may be able to help you overcome your anxiety, but it certainly not cure it like magic. I think approaching MDMA in this way can be very dangerous, especially if you've never used it before. The feeling is very alluring, do not abuse it.

Should I binge on it over a few days? Or spread it out?
Spread it out. Like once a month, at the very most.

Should I take it alone and meditate (like I did with the LSD and 2c-e)? Or take it and go to a party/rave and meet people?
Push yourself out of your comfort zone, meet new people. That is what you want, isn't it? E will give you that, it will show yourself, uninhibited by fear. Conversation flows, and connecting with people comes natural. My first rave blew me away, and I'll be saving my next few rolls to do just that. It was like a religious ceremony, of sorts.

But the effects are not permanent, and you are going to learn how to be who you want to be without drugs. E can be a guide, but don't expect it to carry you through life. Ideally, I think you should go to the party and hang out for a few hours or so before you dose.

I would say trying it alone can be very beneficial/therapeutic as well. But just remember to space out your usage. If you don't you will probably feel more anxiety than ever.
 
I wouldn't use MDMA to make yourself get rid of anxiety. I have a friend who suffers from depression and uses MDMA to get away from his problems and he ended up using it too much and things got worse. LSD is different because it opens up your mind to different ways of thinking and can clarify things. MDMA does not really have that effect. It is mind opening but the only thing you are noticing if how good you feel. IMO I would you MDMA for a good time because it makes you appreciate it more. I would not use it to try to get rid of anxiety because the come down can be harsh. I have gotten really depressed after a night of using it. I would be careful
 
^Familiarize yourself with the effects of ecstasy alone before combining with other things. You don't know how you're body will react yet.

LSD is different because it opens up your mind to different ways of thinking and can clarify things. MDMA does not really have that effect. It is mind opening but the only thing you are noticing if how good you feel.
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I disagree.
 
well it depends on the person.... i use to see a shrink and i decided one day to go rolling... but i didnt tell him til after the session. he was simply amazed. i was seeing him for a month b4 that. And to tell you the truth after that i maybe saw him one more time. i was depressed for a few yrs b4 that. My opinion and ideals on my life in general changed forever after that session. That was 8 years ago. I still roll once in a while.( 3 times a year about). But i dont roll to escape like some people i know... i respect mdma too much and i wont ever abuse something that changed my life for the better forever...
 
In My Humble Opinion.... lol


I dont think ANY drug [ex, meth, coke, dxm, lsd] will solve your personal problems.

YOU yourself gotta understand that YOU are YOU, and the ONLY one in the world. So, make the best of your daily life, enjoy it, dont be shy. Learn to be laughed at, picked at, and made fun of. And learn to ignore it. Because YOU are YOU, and ... fuck everyone else. People will like you, and dislike you, so what?!

anyway... lol im rolling.. and that was my opion...
 
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It's true that no drug will wholly solve your problems (doctor-prescribed or otherwise), but I think we can all attest that drugs like MDMA and psychedelics give you a fresh perspective. I believe that the reason that people feel like MDMA eventually makes them more depressed (aside from the temporary chemical imbalance) is because it's so tempting to rely on it for your happiness. Just like most things in life, relying solely on one thing for happiness will ultimately leave you feeling empty.

As others have said, you have to use that perspective for what it's worth and not come to depend on the drug to reproduce it every time you need it. It will be a struggle, no doubt, but MDMA may change the struggle from being impossible to simply being very difficult.
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I agree with you. With an extent.

You cant rely on drugs to keep you happy. IF that is so, I THINK, that you got a problem.

NO drug [non perscription] will solve your problems. WHILE on a drug, problems might seem to be gone. But .. in reality, they are not. BUT what i think is drugs can SHOW YOU WHAT can you BE even WITHOUT drugs. I THINK drug might open you up, and grow some "balls" on you. BUT if you pick up chick while you on drugs, you can ALWAYS go out and pick up a chick WITHOUT drugs.


Thats just my 2.5 cents... lol
 
Heh, my apologies. I deleted my post after rethinking it, Rizzen, and we ended up with a phantom quote situation. :)

But yes, I agree with you; that's essentially what I was trying to say, which you stated more succinctly. You need to internalize the lessons that you learn on drugs, because they experience during is necessarily hollow (as a result of being on a drug), and because you'll eventually be off the drug and will have to figure out how to live without it.
 
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I mean seriously.

years of mdma, and other drugs. had tought me MANY things about myself. Which now helped me out a whole lot. I mean, I have never had any disorders or anything, but come on.... if you can do it drugged, you can do it sober. Just gotta know WHAT and WHY are you doing it. lol like a glowstick show wont make you so happy while sober, but you always can depend on [im gonna use this again] picking up chicks. heck.... wtf all she can say is no right? and its not like you gonna die if she said no, you just gonna move on, and find another girl to pick up. [girl is just an example... i hope you get it.]
 
MDMA by itself won't solve your issues. You'll understand this once you do it more regularly and it will feel less novel. I think the only option is to sort your shit out on your own(very hard to do, I know).
 
NoxNoctum said:
BTW, I'm not really concerned about the "risks" as things can only get better IMO (i.e. they couldn't get worse).
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...no >.<

Mdma gives you anxiety, not WHILE you're rolling but the rest of the days after...even after not doing it for months.
So you might feel confident and social for 3hrs, but depressed and anxious the rest of the month :p
 
skeettls said:
...no >.<

Mdma gives you anxiety, not WHILE you're rolling but the rest of the days after...even after not doing it for months.
So you might feel confident and social for 3hrs, but depressed and anxious the rest of the month :p
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mdma gives you anxiety prior droping popping it.

rest of the days?

you will either feel like SHIT, or normal.

i dont know about feeling like shit for rest of the month. really depends, on how many you normally take... and how long you BEEN taking them.
 
It worked for me, perhaps not everyone...

Just to add something to the spectrum. I had a stutter from the day I was born and had some serious social anxiety. However, I have always been a friendly and open person, totally throwing myself into social situations, but this not change the fact that I was extremely socially anxious and always had this terrible stutter, as well as being generally very depressed and kind of manic/depressive.

For me, taking mdma (e) for the first few times was like having what felt like the weight of the world off my shoulders, and like I could finally (at 24 years old at the time) 'EXHALE' and feel better. I had tried every drug as well as much alcohol and partying, and nothing worked (luckily I did not become addicted to anything).

After taking mdma a few times (something like once every 3 months or so at the start), I became able to communicated freely, first anxiety-wise, and then eventually (after about a year of use) started losing my stutter completely. I'm stutter-free now, have been somewhat skyrocketing career-wise, and am socially somewhere where I never thought I could be. This drug certainly does open you up for the time you take it, and in my experience if you want more from it than just a good time, it can be VERY educational and spiritual.

The caveat is that from time to time now I and some friends feel the need to binge and so do a few sessions at raves, clubs or houses, with like 2 week separations and at worse 1 week separations, which we all know is very bad. There is an addiction for sure, and I believe it is different for everyone.

If none of us hits a rave of clubbing for like a month, I will generally find an excuse or event to get a pill or 2 in to 'reset' myself. At this time I know I don't 'need it' like it did, since things are well and I'm HAPPY, but I still do it. So draw your conclusions if you will.

Always be safe, read up on all drugs before you jump into them, and hope this helps you find happiness as I have.
 
1 thing to add...

I'm the kind of person who, when I did all different drugs or drank, etc, would stand there for minutes at a time and think of my life to try to understand why all the bad things were the way they were, and how I could deal with the inequities of life. This didn't have much effect with most substances.

As such, I would take the mdma and talk with people--lots, but also would have some quiet time to really think hard. It allowed me to get through some roadblocks, bitterness, anger, hopelessness, and I thought about all the negative things in more of a 'non-feeling' light I guess. This was different than lots of people who just partied it up and enjoyed the high for the majority of the time. So just saying, this may have made a difference and so you have to know yourself to have the correct result.


But yeah let me reiterate, I think I'm doing it a bit too much nowadays as we have a huge network her in Cali, so be careful and keep this in mind.
 
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