On Sat just past I had a first MDMA experience, however it was underwhelming. I have some theories as to why but would also appreciate insight and feedback on the plausibility of my thoughts in additional to any suggestions.
The MDMA itself was in pill form, tested with Marquis and Mandelin (accurate to testing positive for MD** as far as testing kits go), this particular pill was also found on pill reports and tested by other more experienced users with excellent results, so I can be pretty certain the pill itself was MDMA containing; by pill reports analysis it should contain around 80mg MDMA.
My last meal that day was around 5:00pm with nothing eaten after 5:30-6:00pm. I would say this was a medium - heavy meal in terms of digestion rate, however I did drop the first pill at 10:00pm that night so stomach content should have been fairly light and closer to empty.
So as stated around 10pm I dropped the first pill, taken orally and swallowed whole with water; the pill itself was very well binded, almost impossible to break apart by hand.
The setting was in my house and music was playing loudly, with plenty of water nearby and warm comfortable atmosphere.
Around 10:15 there seemed to be a little of the first come up effects, music sounding better, just a general feeling of a shift in consciousness. This continued until 10:30, things getting more apparent as time went on with an increase in visual clarity and music appreciation.
At around this same time I found myself feeling very heavy and lethargic standing up (I had been walking around until this time), so I decided to to take a seat. I was surrounded by a very light pleasurable body high, and a little eye movement.
The way I would describe it is it really did feel I was on the very verge of a full explosive come up, one that never fully materialized. This continued until around 10:45 pm when effects really hadn't seemed to full evolve past slightly as before, I would say I was still very much at a ++. At 11:30-45 pm as things were still weak I decided to take a second half of a pill. This was dropped orally swallowed with water. It seemed after this point the effects appeared to dissipate, only returning after around 10-15 mins after the second pill half. Effects then continued like as before, perhaps very slightly less intense until I decided to call it a night at around 12:00am or so.
So for me this experience felt very much like the feeling of coming up but without the breakthrough.
A first thought is I simply didn't take enough to full reach what would by my breakthrough dose. I stand at 6.4 tall but have a slim build. My closest comparison point to MDMA is methylone and generally a breakthrough dose for me on that is 180-200mg followed by a 100-150mg redose after 60-90 mins following the first dose.
The second half pill then may have not been enough, or taken too late, to add to the original 80mg MDMA (assuming there was indeed 80mg in that pill) to allow me to fully breakthrough. I have heard of this many times were someone on a first time MDMA experience (where one pill contains an average 70-90mg MDMA gets very little from one pill and has a beautiful experience off 2 pills taken together or 1.5 pills as a first dose. Perhaps on my next experience I should take 2 pills or 1.5, ideally I think 2 pills would be a better option with an average 140-160mg said to be a very nice dose and closer to Shulgin's recommended dose.
A second theory is my mind overpowered the experience from fully breaking through. I have read experiences were people had very weak experiences when coming up from thinking too much about how the experience was going to be, got too excited on what was said to follow, too high a level of anticipation, only never quite get there. In my case before dropping the pills I was very excited about the experience, and I would say pumped up about it to a good level. After dropping I was very much thinking how incredible it would be and what amazing an experience would follow. I should have gone into the experience expecting nothing, my mindset in this case could have overpowered the experience (set).
A third theory I had is the binding of the pill was too much for my stomach to effectively break apart fast enough for the MDMA to be absorbed (these pills were rock hard and even breaking them apart with a knife required a lot of pressure). Next time I think I will crush the pill up and take it dissolved with water, similar to how Methylone would be taken.
The best comparison I had in my mind, from listening to others and reading about different experiences was similar to Methylone but more more empathy and euphoria driven; the 'magic' Methylone lacks so to speak. Perhaps going into the experience with the expectations of a more more profound Methylone experience could again have been overpowered by the mind.
I think in this case the more likely is I simply did not take enough and reach that all important breakthrough dose. I know it was affecting me by the pleasurable body high and other feelings of visual clarity, enhanced music appreciation and even very slight eye rolls I experienced. Regarding the eye rolls I had never experienced these before, always hearing people talking fondly of them on MDMA but never quite understanding it.
What do others think, have people any similar experiences they can relate with this, dose recommended for the next time, or any advice you can offer for my next experience? I appreciate any and all comments and insight!
The MDMA itself was in pill form, tested with Marquis and Mandelin (accurate to testing positive for MD** as far as testing kits go), this particular pill was also found on pill reports and tested by other more experienced users with excellent results, so I can be pretty certain the pill itself was MDMA containing; by pill reports analysis it should contain around 80mg MDMA.
My last meal that day was around 5:00pm with nothing eaten after 5:30-6:00pm. I would say this was a medium - heavy meal in terms of digestion rate, however I did drop the first pill at 10:00pm that night so stomach content should have been fairly light and closer to empty.
So as stated around 10pm I dropped the first pill, taken orally and swallowed whole with water; the pill itself was very well binded, almost impossible to break apart by hand.
The setting was in my house and music was playing loudly, with plenty of water nearby and warm comfortable atmosphere.
Around 10:15 there seemed to be a little of the first come up effects, music sounding better, just a general feeling of a shift in consciousness. This continued until 10:30, things getting more apparent as time went on with an increase in visual clarity and music appreciation.
At around this same time I found myself feeling very heavy and lethargic standing up (I had been walking around until this time), so I decided to to take a seat. I was surrounded by a very light pleasurable body high, and a little eye movement.
The way I would describe it is it really did feel I was on the very verge of a full explosive come up, one that never fully materialized. This continued until around 10:45 pm when effects really hadn't seemed to full evolve past slightly as before, I would say I was still very much at a ++. At 11:30-45 pm as things were still weak I decided to take a second half of a pill. This was dropped orally swallowed with water. It seemed after this point the effects appeared to dissipate, only returning after around 10-15 mins after the second pill half. Effects then continued like as before, perhaps very slightly less intense until I decided to call it a night at around 12:00am or so.
So for me this experience felt very much like the feeling of coming up but without the breakthrough.
A first thought is I simply didn't take enough to full reach what would by my breakthrough dose. I stand at 6.4 tall but have a slim build. My closest comparison point to MDMA is methylone and generally a breakthrough dose for me on that is 180-200mg followed by a 100-150mg redose after 60-90 mins following the first dose.
The second half pill then may have not been enough, or taken too late, to add to the original 80mg MDMA (assuming there was indeed 80mg in that pill) to allow me to fully breakthrough. I have heard of this many times were someone on a first time MDMA experience (where one pill contains an average 70-90mg MDMA gets very little from one pill and has a beautiful experience off 2 pills taken together or 1.5 pills as a first dose. Perhaps on my next experience I should take 2 pills or 1.5, ideally I think 2 pills would be a better option with an average 140-160mg said to be a very nice dose and closer to Shulgin's recommended dose.
A second theory is my mind overpowered the experience from fully breaking through. I have read experiences were people had very weak experiences when coming up from thinking too much about how the experience was going to be, got too excited on what was said to follow, too high a level of anticipation, only never quite get there. In my case before dropping the pills I was very excited about the experience, and I would say pumped up about it to a good level. After dropping I was very much thinking how incredible it would be and what amazing an experience would follow. I should have gone into the experience expecting nothing, my mindset in this case could have overpowered the experience (set).
A third theory I had is the binding of the pill was too much for my stomach to effectively break apart fast enough for the MDMA to be absorbed (these pills were rock hard and even breaking them apart with a knife required a lot of pressure). Next time I think I will crush the pill up and take it dissolved with water, similar to how Methylone would be taken.
The best comparison I had in my mind, from listening to others and reading about different experiences was similar to Methylone but more more empathy and euphoria driven; the 'magic' Methylone lacks so to speak. Perhaps going into the experience with the expectations of a more more profound Methylone experience could again have been overpowered by the mind.
I think in this case the more likely is I simply did not take enough and reach that all important breakthrough dose. I know it was affecting me by the pleasurable body high and other feelings of visual clarity, enhanced music appreciation and even very slight eye rolls I experienced. Regarding the eye rolls I had never experienced these before, always hearing people talking fondly of them on MDMA but never quite understanding it.
What do others think, have people any similar experiences they can relate with this, dose recommended for the next time, or any advice you can offer for my next experience? I appreciate any and all comments and insight!
