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MDMA Crystallization

Dragynfyr

Dragynfyr

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Ok guys, just a quick question. Someone on another board is trying to say is it IMPOSSIBLE to get MDMA to form crystals, which as far as I know, is a total crock of shit, seeing as I've seen nice rock salt lookin chunks that reagent tested and passed my personal test as real MDMA.

Anyone with a bit of science knowledge know wtf he might be talking about?
 
is the dude saying the chemical structure of MDMA isnt crystalline or wut? Iv seen pure MDMA in a white powder and also shards.
 
sounds like he's just talking out of his ass pretending to be cool

here's the post, I don't know, it took me like two minutes to find a recipe that called for heavy washing and drying in a 0 moisture environment to help form larger crystals. I'm not sure though, there could be something to what he's saying, but I'm leaning towards no just from what I've seen and read so far.

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im sorry to dissapoint you guys, but REAL mdma cannot make crystals it is NOT possible chemically.

Youre talking to someone who has made it, it is impossible because it is biracemic, it is d,l Methylenedioxymethamphetamine. The l-mdma version makes it unsuitable for crystal formation..

So if you are getting crystals, be sure that it is at least somewhat cut with something, probably msm
 
Dragynfyr said:
Youre talking to someone who has made it, it is impossible because it is biracemic, it is d,l Methylenedioxymethamphetamine. The l-mdma version makes it unsuitable for crystal formation..
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this is bullshit. the first method to seperate enantiomers was to pick the "right-handed" crystals from the "left handed" ones manually.

but isn't mdma freebase an oil? maybe they are confusing the freebase with the hcl?
 
I can guarantee that MDMA HCl are crystals when produced correctly. And I'm not really sure what he means by 'biracemic' since racemic already means a mixture of dextro- and levo- forms. MDMA freebase is an oil, and also hard to work with, which is why most chemists go through the trouble to turn it into its stable, easy to administer crystalline form.
 
*sigh of relief* good to know I'm not loosing my mind boys, thank you kindly =)
 
Carsick said:
If it is MDMA, then it certainly looks very pure.
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If it had been browny/off-white, as some crystal often is, is there an easy way to purify it, or does it need a sophisticated set up?
 
im sorry to dissapoint you guys, but REAL mdma cannot make crystals it is NOT possible chemically.

Youre talking to someone who has made it, it is impossible because it is biracemic, it is d,l Methylenedioxymethamphetamine. The l-mdma version makes it unsuitable for crystal formation..

So if you are getting crystals, be sure that it is at least somewhat cut with something, probably msm
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Total twaddle - I can smell the stench of bullshit from here.

What is it that prompts sad little bastards like that to publically open themselves to ridicule - are they so dense that they don't think someone will see it for what it is, a steamoing pile of shite?
 
yeah...the same guys keeps trying to give directions on how to convert a 100mg morphine pill into heroin with acetic anhydride (?) and an oven. Of course it's the same guy who also 'has a friend who grows poppies, he's seen him scape em'. He's trying to push opium on another board, lol I'm sure he has time to harvest and process opium (in the US no less), in between synthing batches of MDMA that don't form crystals and easy-baking his own smack :p
 
Vecktor said:
Pure racemic MDMA hydrochloride can form either powder or crystals depending on how it is made, if it is precipitated by adding acetone or ether to a solution of the hydrochloride in an alcohol it almost always forms a powder, though under the microscope the powder is often micro crystalline, if it is formed by concentrating an alcohol solution of the hydrochloride and slowly cooling it then it forms bigger crystals.
the powder can often be turned into big crystals by recrystallization and slow cooling, and it makes no difference at all whether it is the pure dextro or laevo form or even the racemate as far as I am aware unlike some racemic chiral compounds like tartaric acid MDMA.HCl is not dimorphic. Though seeding with one enantiomer might cause selective precipitation of only that enantiomer.
It does have various crystalline habits containing different amounts of water of crystallization.
pure MDMA freebase is an oil at room temperature but this is never seen outside of production areas.
as for street MDMA who knows what is in it!!
hope this answers your question.
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QFT
 
Carsick said:
Perhaps he means anhydrous acetone.
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Because acetone is used to acetylate things? No- Acetic Anhydride is the chem of most importance in acetylating morphine.
 
As we all know, acetylation of morphine is very simple and easy to do at home (i think it yeilds 3-MAM, DAM and probably some unreacted morphine). Far more difficult is obtaining or making the AA (probably via acetaldehyde, or dehydration of CH3COOH with P2O5 maybe?)
 
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