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took 1mg of xanax about an hour before i dropped mdma...

its really euphoric but relaxed, i dont want to get up and go crazy like when im on it.... its almost like being on a cloud.... and im so blissful:)

on another note is this dangerous?

im kinda sleepy but in a trance... its awesome

for some reason im a lot more talkative too... but only on bluelight ? ahah ... i love dropping mdma at home alone its so lovely
 
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Yeah, I love Solo rolling as well, but, get out to a party man, it's just as much fun. As for the Xanax... -___- you aren't rolling nearly as hard as you should be, I'll tell you that, Xanax is known to kill the roll.... and How much Molly you take?
 
i reckon the molly was about 180mg, this big bastards from holland i've recently acquired.. the xanax was a strange addition to the roll honestly, it really made it much more pleasureable but of course it made me lethargic and not as energetic. i noticed the xanax wearing off toward the end of my roll as well. this was about hmm 7-8 hours ago. been railing lots of dexamphetamine now and its great.
 
Lmfao nice, and you would have been E-tarded w/o the Xann tho, and take it easy on the stims there buddy.
 
yeah i would have been completely e-tarded, i rolled a few weeks ago with the same pills and i esentially walked around a shopping mall aimlessly for 4 hours having no idea what i was doing with a friend of mine, with my sunglasses on, chewing gum and ocasionally stopping in sections of the mall to dance to the music in some of the shops, was fucking brilliant but so wasnt subtle ahaha, nobody seemed to mind though and i definately didnt care. stims are my weakness im afraid, i love my dex, before anyone says anything yes i know im destroying my brain.
 
Hahah, I only love MDMA/MDA even Acid as stims, but to be honest I'd rather a nice joint and a few bumps of K =) Or some nice Hawiian shrooms... tasty. And lol Idc if your destroying your brain don't worry ahahah.
 
I took benzos before my roll and noticed a chilled relax effect in the building phase. It was not my thing i like to be shifted violently when I come up. It can be gradual but must be strong. I fast for 18 hours before hand, it is a must for me. Not one to pre/post load, but I used to do it all the time. I would rather take benzos right before I lay down coming off mdma.
 
eh, i think it depends on the setting imo. seeing as i was at home it was lovely. i can imagine it being kinda shitty if you were out partying, i also noticed that dexamphetamine was even more euphoric than normal after this combo :)
 
And lol Idc if your destroying your brain don't worry ahahah.

This quote pretty much sums up how most BL users feel about those asking for help, even after they are pretty fucked up.
I don't particularly care about this one thread or what TeOX2t said....but it is a damned good quote to illustrate the mentality of young drug users.
Keep chuckling.

Xanax increases GABA in the brain, which suppresses glutamate.
Glutamate is the brain's primary excitatory neurotransmitter and is involved in cellular toxicity if levels get high enough.
It literally destroys connects between neurons or neurons themselves.

Since our understanding of the brain is only beginning, it is possible that such a process is a tool used by the brain for a beneficial purpose.
Like re-wiring damaged circuits or limiting the activity of certain brain regions.
This may be important to the glutamate theory of schizophrenia.

But when drugs cause toxicity, glutamate is probably NOT serving any positive role.
And with MDMA, glutamate may be part of the toxic cascade that leads to serotonin axotomy.
I believe that in MDMA users that go on to develop anxiety problems, glutamate and cortisol both remain high for MONTHS.
And continue to cause cell death for some time.
And perhaps some of this is necessary for 'recovery'.

Especially since glutamate kills hypothalamus neurons, which is the relay station for serotonin nerves extending towards the frontal lobes!
Some research suggests that after glutamate-induced cell death, some hypothalamic neurons can regrow.
This is unique, because only a few regions of the brain are known to experience STEM cell proliferation and neuron growth.
After injury, some parts of the brain are actually capable of this.
Exciting stuff.

But during MDMA use, glutamate may contribute to hypothalmic damage.
Even if it doesn't, the hypothalamus is the site of MDMAs euphoric effects and eventual damage.
The hypothalamus causes the endocrine system to release the powerful prolactin/oxytocin combo that combine with dopamine to produce the incredible effects of the drug. This is AFTER the hypothalamus tells the adrenals to release MASSIVE waves of cortisol which lower brain serotonin!
And during abstinence, esp. with high or repeated doses of MDMA, the hypothalamus is seen to be hyper-innervated by serotonin...leaving the frontal lobes and PFC with sub-standard density.

Damn.

So, YES - taking xanax and MDMA together probably offers real neuroprotection.
Those experiencing acute reactions like Serotonin Syndrome are normally given a benzo in the ER.
It prevents skeletal muscle destruction, hyperthermia, and stroke!

This endorsement does not mean that the primary neurotoxic effects of MDMA can be blocked by benzos.
It is notable that many people go home from the ER and continue to experience the 're-wiring' of the brain, despite administration which prevents catastrophic consequences. The degeneration of serotonin neurons happens due to nasty metabolites of MDMA and dopamine.

But glutamate may increase the presence of these nasty metabolites.
And as a secondary toxicity it can kill neurons all on its own.
So benzos + MDMA is one combo that I approve.

Still gonna say my standard warning - NO redosing on MDMA.
Or you will only have more of this to come back to...
And lol Idc if your destroying your brain don't worry ahahah.
 
This quote pretty much sums up how most BL users feel about those asking for help, even after they are pretty fucked up.
I don't particularly care about this one thread or what TeOX2t said....but it is a damned good quote to illustrate the mentality of young drug users.
Keep chuckling.

Xanax increases GABA in the brain, which suppresses glutamate.
Glutamate is the brain's primary excitatory neurotransmitter and is involved in cellular toxicity if levels get high enough.
It literally destroys connects between neurons or neurons themselves.

Since our understanding of the brain is only beginning, it is possible that such a process is a tool used by the brain for a beneficial purpose.
Like re-wiring damaged circuits or limiting the activity of certain brain regions.
This may be important to the glutamate theory of schizophrenia.

But when drugs cause toxicity, glutamate is probably NOT serving any positive role.
And with MDMA, glutamate may be part of the toxic cascade that leads to serotonin axotomy.
I believe that in MDMA users that go on to develop anxiety problems, glutamate and cortisol both remain high for MONTHS.
And continue to cause cell death for some time.
And perhaps some of this is necessary for 'recovery'.

Especially since glutamate kills hypothalamus neurons, which is the relay station for serotonin nerves extending towards the frontal lobes!
Some research suggests that after glutamate-induced cell death, some hypothalamic neurons can regrow.
This is unique, because only a few regions of the brain are known to experience STEM cell proliferation and neuron growth.
After injury, some parts of the brain are actually capable of this.
Exciting stuff.

But during MDMA use, glutamate may contribute to hypothalmic damage.
Even if it doesn't, the hypothalamus is the site of MDMAs euphoric effects and eventual damage.
The hypothalamus causes the endocrine system to release the powerful prolactin/oxytocin combo that combine with dopamine to produce the incredible effects of the drug. This is AFTER the hypothalamus tells the adrenals to release MASSIVE waves of cortisol which lower brain serotonin!
And during abstinence, esp. with high or repeated doses of MDMA, the hypothalamus is seen to be hyper-innervated by serotonin...leaving the frontal lobes and PFC with sub-standard density.

Damn.

So, YES - taking xanax and MDMA together probably offers real neuroprotection.
Those experiencing acute reactions like Serotonin Syndrome are normally given a benzo in the ER.
It prevents skeletal muscle destruction, hyperthermia, and stroke!

This endorsement does not mean that the primary neurotoxic effects of MDMA can be blocked by benzos.
It is notable that many people go home from the ER and continue to experience the 're-wiring' of the brain, despite administration which prevents catastrophic consequences. The degeneration of serotonin neurons happens due to nasty metabolites of MDMA and dopamine.

But glutamate may increase the presence of these nasty metabolites.
And as a secondary toxicity it can kill neurons all on its own.
So benzos + MDMA is one combo that I approve.

Still gonna say my standard warning - NO redosing on MDMA.
Or you will only have more of this to come back to...

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heya first bad comedown, i really appreciate your comments on my posts and you have definately opened my eyes to the problems with mdma and redosing etc. i know my first post a few weeks ago was rather reckless and stupid, and actually since this combo of drugs (md + the xanax and the dexies after) ive actually realised that i was most definately in my honeymood period as you suggested, and that mdma isnt actually quite as psychologically addictive as i thought.

whenever i roll now i'm going to wait at least a month if not more and suggest this to everyone else as well - i really did lose my magic as you said i would and like a fool didnt believe you. im even considering waiting about a year too.
 
First, im laughing my ass off at GAD5.
That made my fucking day.
Thanks.

I try to translate pharmacology and MDMA research into pretty basic language.
Try visiting AD and figure out what they are talking about!

Synthetix - Thanks for the follow up.
It means a lot to me. I'm glad you see the truth now.
I may be a very strongly opinionated person, but even the long-term pro-MDMA voices on BL recommend 30-90 spacing in between rolls, with LONG breaks for those 'losing the magic' or experiencing psychological problems.

If I were you i would wait at LEAST 90 days.
And if it isn't the most euphoric experience like the first one, consider a CLEAR sign that 'magic' doesn't just return in three months.
90 days is your minimum wait time, not 30.
This becomes more and more true as you continue to use.

And if your next roll is still lacking, I would consider the YEAR abstinence.
Research shows that tolerance begins within 6 doses for some users, and MOST users 'lose magic' and experience negative effects before they reach 100 doses. Then there are stories like mine, and many others, where people do FAR less than 100 and get REALLY fucked up from it.

MDMA is neurotoxic, and there is no debate about this anymore.
Therefore it is more important than with other drugs to control dosage, purity, and spacing.
I'm glad you are listening.
 
yes you are indeed very wise about this topic. i'm glad that youre here on bl, honestly would have probably continued binging on mdma and permanently damaged my brain - so thank you, for saving my sanity and my mental health! (well at least saved it from mdma). i noticed i had some pretty bad brain zaps post 1 week after following your advice to cut down so yeah you were right. my cognitive abilities also seemed to deteriorate as well along with a random onset of some extremely strange depression. had i have not had the time to read through what you posted i would most likely think i was going insane.

considering you were correct about everything else i will most definately take a 90 day break from rolling and hope you are still around so i can post my experience and see how it goes!

i appreciate you taking time to write your posts to me and they do not go unread. so thank you once again and for anyone else that is reading this thread i strongly suggest you read through what fbc writes as it has all been correct in my case, and appreciate that there is a member here actively trying to reduce harm done by mdma and portray the correct facts rather than the load of shit you sometimes read.
 
Funny, I actually use xanax to get to sleep while coming down - I once made a mistake of taking one nimetazepam before an ecstasy pill... totally killed the high.
 
Clonazepam And How Long After To Not Effect The MDMA in ANYWAY!

I am MILDLY Dependent on Clonazepam right now been using for no more than 23 Days out of the last 30 days
in Dosages of normally only 1 MG but has been as much as 6 Rarely or 3MG sometimes. Anyways my Question is how Long after I Last Dose my Clonazepam should I Wait for it to Wear off so I can Take my MDMA and ROLL to the Fullest EXTENT without the Clonazepam Effects Diminishing it all including any Withdrawal Effects which from what I understand do not start for a AT LEAST 48 to 96 HOURS four Days. But it says the NOTICABLE Effects of Clonazepam Last for 6 to 8 HOURS but how Long do the UNOTICABLE but still happening Central Nervous System Depression and what not Stop happening but the Clonazepam is still in my System Stopping any withdrawal Allowing Me to Dose my MDMA.
 
I take the same and I don't take any that day if I know I'm doing molly but I will take like 2 when I start to come down and it helps to relax and go to sleep!
 
Modafinil and MDMA

Is as little as 25mg of Modafinil likely to be enough to block rolling on MDMA?
Thank you for any help :)
 
No it's unlikely to block the MDMA. It would probably cause the opposite infact, and cause higher stimulation than either alone. I'd avoid the combination personally, modafinil is not a recreational drug.
 
Thank you, I am prescribed Modafinil but personally have not been getting on with it..
I haven't seemed to feel any euphoric effects this time but my pupils are very dilated, sometimes it happens I guess.
 
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