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MDMA, Amphetamines, Nitrous Oxide - experienced - Paranoid Roll from Hell

Xenoc

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Washington, DC
- Amphetamines : unknown (large) amount over 4 days prior to experience.
- MDMA ~19 pills over ~5 hours.
- Nitrous Oxide : whippets, quantity unknown.
- Zopiclone (sleeping pill) : 1 tablet

To begin the story, my work is very intense at times. During some phases, I have often had to work 85-100 hour weeks in order to meet deadlines. As I’m sure many could guess, amphetamine abuse to achieve these superhuman hours was common. At the time of this experience, I had been up for what I estimate to be approximately 4 days. However, I will say that my knowledge of the event is very spotty.. much of what I will say in the following paragraphs is pieced together from the information I have received from others.

Anyway, this experience occurred while I was out of town visiting a friend… at his apartment. The timeline of what happened is very mismatched in my head, but I will point out that the most noticeable negative symptom that I recall were basically mini schizophrenic episodes, something I’d describe as being in two places at once, or more accurately flipping between two or more realities involuntarily, which, from what I’m told, resulted in me saying some very strange stuff to my friends at inappropriate times. Often I would ramble about “rows” and “columns”, and then pop back into reality and demand to know how long I had been “gone.” In actuality, these were a few seconds at a time, but they felt like individual eternities.

Despite the fact that there were many different substances playing a part in this disaster, all my research leads me to believe the substance at fault is MDMA. I know I took a much higher dose than I ever have before, although I do not remember doing so. What my friends and I deduced is that I was taking it and then forgetting I took it, taking more, forgetting I took it, taking it… ad infinitum. It was very common at this point for me to completely lose track of short-term memory. At some point I took a sleeping pill, Zopiclone, which is chemically similar to Ambien (Zolpidem)… I would say this did nothing but worsen the situation if anything.

This was nothing, however, compared to what was about to happen… I was pretty much worthless, at least from a judgment standpoint, at this time. I should have gone to sleep, I’m sure, but I don’t even remember considering sleep an option.

It seemed like a 15 minute window, but who knows… I was okay, albeit rolling and stupid and exhibiting distinctly schizophrenic behavior, but otherwise okay… Periodically I noticed distinct, bizarre hallucinations of a nature that I have never experienced before… scrambling text on a computer monitor is what I most distinctly remember… almost as if I had become dyslexic. I was somewhat disturbed by this, merely because I was still lucid enough to realize that MDMA did not usually have this effect on me. Otherwise, I was relatively calm… and then suddenly, I was seeing bugs everywhere. First a few under the table, scurrying around, then I noticed they were all over the place, all distinctly looking and behaving differently. There were hundreds of them, around every corner, on every surface… every object morphed into some sort of potentially malicious insect. This was something I managed to endure for several hours before really freaking out… I knew it wasn’t real, but it was so visually terrifying that it was hard to keep my cool. The turning point was upon doing a whippet (nitrous oxide)… like I said, my judgment was gone. I had felt my sanity slipping and for some reason I thought nitrous would help… who knows why.

I recall watching the spiders on the bed nearby as I inhaled the gas… and as soon as I felt the whippet, I watched them begin to multiply and spawn and grow larger and move faster. I ripped the balloon out of my mouth and started smacking the bed with it, I’m told… it was at this point was when my sense of reality started to slip. Side note: In retrospect I should’ve realized that disassociatives substances, like Nitrous Oxide, have a tendency to rapidly exacerbate already aberrational brain chemistry.

On a side note, I have had other hallucinogenic experiences… I think anyone who has knows the dream-like quality of most drug-induced trips… each substance is distinct, but as far as memories go, this is one often clear way to distinguish drug-induced experiences from reality. The noteworthy element of this experience was its *utter lack* of the dreamlike feeling. There was literally no deviation from reality that could provide any sort of indication that what I was seeing was not real. It looked real, it felt real, and my mind regards it as real, despite the fact that I know it wasn’t. I have never experienced such interactive hallucinations, for I could pick up these bugs, throw them, rip them in half, watch them squirm as I stepped on them, even communicate with them to an extent. This was a psychotic episode, probably most characteristic of a case of amphetamine psychosis. This type of psychosis is often clinically described as short-term paranoid schizophrenia, which basically describes my experience perfectly.

Anyway, it was clear from this point forward that the frightening nature of my surroundings was directly correlated with how frightened I was. It got progressively worse as I got more and more terrified… at a certain point I would actually say I went into shock, for I had come to terms with watching spiders grow out of my skin as something I could not do anything about, and was “beyond fear” if that makes any sense. I had not become desensitized, but the opposite, activating the body’s natural defense mechanisms, which turned off my sensation of acute terror, and almost defaulted to instinctual behavior, which was, to say the least, not a good thing at all.

The experience continued to intensify. I know there are many incidents that my mind has suppressed. I have learned of these from those who were following me around the apartment as I sprayed clear coat paint all over the place (thinking I was killing bugs with bug spray) and yelled nonsensical things about “them” choosing me, and why “they’ wouldn’t leave me alone, etc.. Presumably I was referring to the spiders, but I am unsure, for I have little memory of this. I recall that I started to see ghost-like figures, stationary, watching me, some menacing, some not.

The general theme of the experience was basically as such: No matter what I did or where I hid… there was something terrifying right there with me, and these things became increasingly awful. There was no safety, not even in my girlfriend’s arms, who I apparently pushed forcefully into a wall because I saw a bug with wings on her back. I have literally no memory of this at all, but she was scared to be around me after that, from what she told me, and who can blame her, really.

This is not to say that there wasn’t an element of fascination to all of this. No drug I’ve taken could ever rival this sort of trip… if one could harness the contents of my subconscious and make them into a movie, they’d have an instant blockbuster. I saw horrors that made Aliens seem like a movie for children..

Eventually, I was taken to the hospital… It had been approximately eight hours of pure terror. I no longer could make the distinction between reality and psychosis-induced visuals. I spent several minutes trying to convince the doctor there was a worm growing out of my leg. Oddly enough, I calmed down in the hospital and the visions started to disappear. Upon regaining a bit of my sanity, I realized that I had thought these delusions were real, but I couldn’t figure out how I had convinced myself of this. It was a very peculiar and disturbing feeling.

Sleep was all I needed, I guess. I slept for 3 hours in the hospital bed, and upon waking up the visuals were basically gone.

This experience will never leave me, however. It’s been almost a year and I still harbor paranoid fears of insects and spiders. From what I understand, this may be with me my whole life… but it really isn’t bad enough to inhibit my ability to live… just enough to never let me forget. The experience wasn't quite *far* enough from reality to be easily left behind, cognitively. I would have rather experienced a total reality-destruction, because that would be easier to subconsciously percieve as drug-induced. Regardless of the fact that logically I know this was not reality, my subconscious *clearly* regards it that way. I’m wary of ever touching E again... no euphoria could ever be worth repeating this kind of waking nightmare.
 
That sounds a lot like like sleep deprivation and amphetamine psychosis to me..!
 
That was basically my conclusion, yeah :) Definitely my own damn fault. Although E seems to be a whole lot more able to push me in the direction of amphetamine psychosis than straight up amphetamines.. which makes me wonder if there's a little more to it.

I've also read about similar reactions with people mixing Ambien (Zolpidem, not Zopiclone, but similar) with E... perhaps coincidental. Not sure.

Regardless, I certainly learned my lesson :)
 
Too much

Dude, I take 1 pill sometimes and if its a good mda one, I will flash in and out of reality, as if drifting off to a dreamworld. Why take 19? :|
 
If you read, I didn't take 19 on purpose. I have no recollection of taking more than a couple. This is a deduction based on counting the number of pills missing and presuming that if I was forgetting everything else I did 15 minutes after I did it, why would taking pills be any different? :) I definitely know the flash in and out of reality feeling you speak of. What disturbs me about it, is that it borders on the textbook definition of mild disassociative schizophrenic behavior. It is indeed interesting to find out that other people get this result as well.
 
^ ^
Isn't it though? I'd love to get to the bottom of all of this for various reasons (psychological closure included)... but these effects of MDMA are simply virtually undocumented...
 
There are some things there is no "bottom" of. And maybe this is one of them. I've had simular experiences (and yes, from MDMA/Amphetamine abuse comedowns with no sleep for few days..), and it's just your brain malfunctioning... nothing to fidn out, no matter how hard it makes you believe there is. Its what made me abuse comedowns (by staying up taking more etc... smoking pot and doing heaps of n2o bulbs while coming down and no sleep.....).. because I seriously felt myself drift fof to this other dimension. Sleep deprivation + abuse of amphetamines and MDMA is enuff to make you fucking trip.. and have a pretty.. fucken weird and paranoid experience... the N2O though... geeez... N2O is the most hardcore drug on earth to mix with another drug. Its way out there, and comedowns are no exce[ption.. In fact! I find bulbs fuck me up MORE when you're on the comedown and not the peak. Its PURE SCATTEREDNESS!

Thanks heaps for writing up this report, shows even amphetamines aren't toys :p
 
Well sleep deprivation induced psychosis caused by Amphetamine abuse combined with something you say is chemically similar to Ambien?... sounds like the trip from hell.
 
Yeah, the trip from hell would basically describe it accurately. Although actually, it had no "trippy" qualities, really. The visuals were completely geared toward looking as if they were truly there, rather than in my head.. No swirling, or patterning, or breathing walls or morphing objects... No color shifts or increased contrast... everything truly looked normal... except that there were thousands of horrifying nightmarish things all around me, all of which seemed strategically placed to be most frightening for any given situation. Also, I was able to interact with them, I could pick up the "spiders", rip them out of my arms and throw them, watch them shrivel under the effect of the "bug spray", and crush them with my feet. I've definitely had amphetamine + sleep deprivation experiences that got a little weird in the past, but nothing like this.

Based on everything I've read and learned and experienced since the episode, I'd say the major factors are (in decreasing significance):

- Way too much MDMA: It's known to be "trippy" in really high doses by itself, and generally in a delerium sort of way.

- Nitrous Oxide: As splatt said above, N20 + other drugs = completely different, and often very unpredictable experience. This is something I knew ahead of time, but as I said, I had lost every bit of judgement and most of the short term memory that I had. The intensifying effect this had on the experience was STRIKING. I didn't even fully utilize that bulb, and the effects were very lasting. It is probably worth noting that there was a period of time during which the experience was far more a "museum effect" than anything else. I was decidedly anxious and confused and increasingly so, but all things considered, keeping my cool. I suspect the moment that I did the whippet was the moment that cognitively I lost the notion that what I was seeing was not real. Or, at least, I was no longer able to convince myself. I don't think I saw any insects emerging FROM my body until after the whippet, either, which was was i believe initially pushed me into a state of shock-like behavior.

- Sleep Deprivation/Amphetamine Abuse: In the final analysis I believe this had only a moderate stake in the chemical reasons for the visual intensity of the experience, but probably was the full cause for the dysphoric mood and intense paranoia. Anyone who's been through amphetamine-induced paranoia knows that it can be highly potent. There's even the possibility that the experience would not have been dysphoric/paranoid in mood at all were it not for for this factor (although undoubtedly would have still been intense).

- Zopiclone: Very, very similar to Ambien, which is known to be a deleriant in even moderate doses. I suspect that an isolated high-dose ambien experience could be terrifying or at least highly disorienting/intense.

- Set / Setting: Extremely high stress levels from work. Unfamiliar surroundings, in a state where i knew nobody but the friend I was staying with, in a dirty, somewhat spartan in places apartment.

- Indexperienced with psychadelics: This was well over a year ago, and at the time I had only a few psychadelic/hallucinogenic experiences under my belt, and they were all mediocre with varying degrees of unpleasant anxiety. I had decided at the time that I was going to avoid hallucinogens for the forseeable future and was very disturbed with the prospect of being forced into a hallucinogenic experience. Since I have had planned, controlled experiences and actually eliminated much of the traumatic results of this experience that way, through convincing myself that my mind was not my own enemy.

Yes, amphetamines are NOT toys. Definitely not. Take one step into the realm of psychosis and you'll agree. :D
 
How do you feel now? Do you think you've fully recovered or is there any lasting "flashbacks"/PTSD or alike?
 
I'm definitely more "afraid of bugs" than I've ever been in my life, and I'm sure i'll never lose that completely, because I could hold a tarantula and not break a sweat before this and i certainly wouldn't be comfortable doing it now.

I've had a couple minor and brief flashbacks, which usually occur either as i'm starting to fall asleep or have just woken up... not lucid dreams, for i am conscious and moving during these occasions... i just seem to be prone to hallucinating briefly before and after sleep.

There was mild HPPD in the form of a "breathing" spot in the center of my vision for months afterwards, which has mostly gone away... and increased likelihood for mild amphetamine-psychosis symptoms if i'm awake for 36+ hours... around 48 hours or so dots will start "growing legs" on the carpet.. it seems the insect thing was somewhat ingrained in me, for prior to the experience i'd never known anything like this happen.

Needless to say, after this whole deal I limit myself to being up no more than one night at a time.. religiously.


All things considered, I'm mostly recovered.
 
Wow, a night like that would be a nightmare. I couldn't even imagine seeing so many bugs. I've only seen one bug in my whole tripping history and I was on 2.5 hits of really strong mdma and I was trying to pee and I looked down on my knee and it looked like a grasshopper he was sitting on my knee staring at me....wiggling his antenas. I knew it wasn't real and decided it was time to go to bed, but still...yikes. Another time I also took way to much mdma (the most i took ever) which was 5.5 hit's of pure caps. And the reason it happened is because It was right infront of me and I kept forgetting everytime I did a line. I only intended to do 3max over an 8hr period. Now I put the drugs in a separete part of the house and only take a hit when absolutly needed, and I write it down everytime I do so. This actually works...cause sometimes it's like "hey it's time for a line" oh it's only been 8minutes8o better wait. Sorry that happened to you.;)
later
 
It certainly was.. :D ...but a learning experience, on so many different levels. I feel both priviledged and punished to have some insight into what it is like to be completely psychotic... i feel like i understand mental illness far better now. ...that being said, what good does that do me REALLY. :D

yeah, that's precisely how it happened for me... "oh, i'm not rolling yet.. hm its been a while, i'd better take another"... I know that the E I took was not pure, it had been lab tested to be part acetaminophen part MDMA (i really think the ratio varied so significantly that it isn't even worth speculating what it was) ...so in terms of actual quantitative dose analysis its very hard to say how much i took. But in general 2.5 of these pills would give me a strong roll... so it was far, far, far more than any other dose i'd ever taken or ever would want to take.

If you search, there's all kinds of reports of people at least moderately enjoying the high-dose deleriant MDMA effects... so I suspect that by nature they aren't necessarily malicious in nature, but highly susceptible to other factors, of which there were many in my case.
 
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