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yippydoo said:
Sounds exactly what I'm looking for. Only small problem is that most likely no one I know will be able to get it :laughing:
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read your opening post, 6-APB is not what you seem to be lookin for.

"a mild euphoric buzz but not blow the head off me",
6-APB unlike MDMA at the recommend dose 100 mg.
In that scenario MDMA is a mild euphoric buzz,
but not blow your head off. Maybe halving the dose would help.

But imo the 5-MAPB is equal to less speedy/ slightly milder MDMA.
As the come up is slower and duration more balaced,
its also ime more relaxing/ less scattering.
edit: 5-EAPB is vs 5-MAPB more mellow.

6-APB is a beast, akin to probably a solid MDA experience.
No idea if its dose dependent, but i never found a equavalent dose.
It was to different.

For some Serotonin release akin to MDMA more to maybe bk-MDMA.
3-FEA felt Serotenergic with some Dopamine/ NorEpinephrine.
Milder then Methylone, so a little bit akin to MDMA.
 
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F.U.B.A.R. said:
6-apb. It's actually better than a lot of the MDMA I've come across this century..

You'll need to do a bit of digging online to access it though.
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Just here to 2nd this! 6-APB is absolutely superb. Euphoric, minor visuals, music appreciation, empathy and nice duration. Not much stimulation but makes you very sociable. Can be a little rough on the guts the next day......but highly recommend it. Admittedly not had it for many years but agree its better than the modern flavour/recipe of MDMA these days.

Used to come as a tan powder and have a very distinct circuit boards smell.
 
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6-APB, the Benzofury one. Which said 100 mg.
Floored me 8/10 hours, Serotonin flood had me moaning.
Only happened on MDAI before, which was even worse.

Probably a bit to much for my body weight.
Could only do the essential: Pee, music, get a drink and moan.
But what a bliss, glad i was at home alone.
Couldn t have made a dance move on it.
Or act soberish.

i was a slobbering sweaty ecstatic brain mesh.
But very nice drug, but at that dose.
Way stronger/ incapacitating then a reasonable MDMA dose.

edit : 5-MAPB seems somewhere in between effect wise.
Though its stronger 40/ 50 mg about 100/ 120 MDMA, wild guess !
And also then 6-APB i think, so do your math.
 
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emkee_reinvented said:
Qat/ Khat

Also illegal, not in Israel, Somalia and Ethiopia.
Even growing it is legal in NL, but the fresh Qat was a nice whip.
To illegalize, a nice blow for the Ethiopian/ Somalian remains of their life,
a soft drug imo. Not anything like Coke, Speed or Ephedra.

But in eyes of the governement they were no mere then lazy junks.
A nuisance ? They were not causing trouble.
Nice excuse right, culd have also said we look down on you and your culture.
And we gonna fuck it up. Against drug experts advise.

Kinda akin to a sloppy social lubricating euphoric 'stimulant'
Does not energise you really or keep you awake after.
But it had a social vibe, and was relaxing.

A couch drug.

And what happened to the refugees after. family s fell apart,
social structures broke down, many got addicted to more dangerous drugs [Alcohol].
The lucky ones escaped to England before Brexit.

It ime is also a good substitute not really a emphatogen.
But more that then a stimulant, the fresh twigs.

Got me sitting in a room with 30 people talking to me Gibberish.
Inviting me to stay a while, some talked English.
Not like the ambience the average Dutch dealer creates
Their music playing got tea the Banana wrap, and a good explanation.

How to use, how much/ how many times. What not to combine with.
they where practising harm reduction. Before Bluelight excisted.
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I'd love to travel to a country in which Kath is around.
Maybe next winter!
Where did you take it?

Only time I tried it was in a lower dose. I stole some leaves from a plant thar was in a botanical garden in Holland.
Wasn't able to take that much, but got a slight, good feeling buzz.
 
CavernsoftheMind said:
I'd love to travel to a country in which Kath is around.
Maybe next winter!
Where did you take it?

Only time I tried it was in a lower dose. I stole some leaves from a plant thar was in a botanical garden in Holland.
Wasn't able to take that much, but got a slight, good feeling buzz.
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It was legal in NL. But you had to have the guts to go searching.
Ethiopians/ Somalians, approaching them and politely asking about Qat.
The places where to start i knew by the news, dirt cheap too.
Illegalized just to fuck them, a group fled to UK pre-Brexit.
And those who stayed saw there social structure & family s fell apart.
Rise in more dangerous addictions.

More troubles, thank you gouvernement NL. Politicians why are they there ?

It was dis advised by experts illegalizing.
As its basickly a soft drug. And a culturel part of there lives.
Also sold on African markets/ shops I read in the US ?,
fresh is key, wrapped in a Banana leaf.
Still legal in Israel afaik, fresh qat smoothies sold on most corners town s.
 
CavernsoftheMind said:
Only time I tried it was in a lower dose. I stole some leaves from a plant thar was in a botanical garden in Holland.
Wasn't able to take that much, but got a slight, good feeling buzz.
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Did it grew in or outside ? Assumed it wasn t winterhard.
Maybe i was wrong, the Tree seeds were sold, not any more.
Used to sell cuttings too. Normal seed shop. Not psychoactive aimed.
 
CavernsoftheMind said:
It was inside a tropical greenhouse.
So it's completely illegal in NL now?
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2012 it became scheduled II. Making production, dealing and owning illegal.

But just to irritate the refugees, that is well known.
It was dis advised by experts, and the results where not positive.
The gouvernement used a false excuse to make it illegal.

War on drugs, used as way to fuck a certain group. NL = 🚫
How many Dutch natives will have tried beside me ? 100 ?
a very few i think. My friend s didn t even take but one.
Who didn t really take drugs normally, and didn t look like he had fun.

I did. btw, besides worrying bout him.
 
Honestly, I'm not sure there really is a good tit for tat substitute. I'm sure people have mentioned the APBs and MAPBs which are imo the closest you'll get. They're all very nice and unique as is MDMA...

(I personally would rather take racemic mdma over 5-mapb any day though some people prefer the 5-mapb.

But no.

after years of exploring, nothing hits home quite like MDMA.

I did like BK-MDE. It was like mdma, except alot more functional with less regrets in the morning lol.

I also liked 5-apb...

Funny sorta sad that people try and recreate mdma experience using multitude of other substances.

The 4FEA + ho-met combo sounds fun.. I suspect it's nothing like a real good roll.
 
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