Report on Combination of
MDMA (sold as "Molly" - light tan color, like beach sand)
4-HO-MET (Fumurate Salt)
Date: August 11, 2011
===Previous Experience===
2C-C, 4-HO-MET, 2C-E, 5-MeO-DALT, bk-MDMA, MDAI
===Participants/Dosage===
Self: 157mg MDMA (at t+0) + 15mg 4-HO-MET (at t+1:20) oral solutions
Er: 180mg MDMA (at t+0) + 32mg 4-HO-MET (at t+1:20) oral solutions
Ch: 75mg MDMA oral solution
Mi: 118mg MDMA oral solution
K: 27mg 2C-C oral solution
P: 35mg 2C-C (at t+0) + 25mg 2C-C (at t+0:45) oral solutions
===The Roll===
MDMA was taken at 10:40pm. It seemed to reach a plateau by around T+40 and didn't seem to be increasing in intensity. I was surprised to find that the roll wasn't as strong or profound as my previous roll of 167mg methylone. No apparent MDMA "rush" or bodyload - only an unquenchable thirst, which became more notable during the flip part of the trip. There was also some very pleasant audial enhancement; everything sounded more crisp, as if background noise was quieted and voices/music were amplified. It was very pleasant, and I remember I found it easily distinguishable from methylone. We were all very talkative, but I expected (and hoped for) more of the cuddly empathy that I got from my previous methylone roll.
===The Flip===
4-HO-MET was taken around 12:00am. This is where things got very interesting. The comeup was mentally very easy compared to previous psychedelic comeups as of lately, though there was still a very brief moment of nausea/dry-heaving. This has become a common symptom I have during psychedelic comeups, so it was of no concern, especially while under the influence of MDMA. The trip was pushed in a strong positive direction which lasted throughout all of the most intense parts of the trip. For the first time, I experienced "3D" close-eyed-visuals and a notable degree of ego loss. I suspect both of these elements would increase with a higher dosage of 4-HO-MET. Open-eyed-visuals were absent for the most part, except for a couple instances where I imagined seeing a person that wasn't there. Throughout the entire flip, I found myself wanting to move around - lot's of singing and dancing.
To ellaborate on the CEVs...
The 3D CEVs weren't what would necessarily come to mind when someone says "3D visuals" - although something about this visual experience felt familiar. Upon closing my eyes during the peak, I would describe it as being in a planetarium - a dark gray dome that extended out from with with a radius of 2 or 3 feet and served as a canvas for very interesting visuals. The visuals were notably wonderful - nothing scary or dark, as was the case on previous 4-HO-MET trips (even during very positive moments). I would see faces and figures of entities, as opposed to the very colorful and abstract 2D imagery seen on high doses of 2C-C. The radius of my close-eyed "dome" seemed to shrink and get dimmer as the trip went on, gradually resembling a more typical (and less magical) 4-HO-MET trip. I remember commenting on being somewhat annoyed at the uninteresting and predictable trip-mania after the MDMA had begun to wear off. However, the rest of the trip was still unlike a typical 4-HO-MET trip. I felt as if the roll extended to some extent - as if serotonin was still being released throughout the entire duration of the 4-HO-MET's effect.
A note on the matter of taste...
No other trip or roll has so strongly affected my taste sense. I tried some Digiorno cheese pizza around T+5:30 and found the taste to be overpowering. Initially, it tasted like the sharpest cheese imaginable - as if the entire pizza was covered in something sharper than parmesan. As I continued to chew, I began to taste pure salt - it was unbearable after a point and I spit it out. To get the taste out, I ate some cellery (what appeared to be the only fresh thing in the house). The taste of this was also amplified and somewhat unpleasant, but overall much better. There were also shells and cheese available (which I normally love), but they appeared so unappetizing and plastic-looking; I didn't dare try. I am guessing my altered sense of taste was a result of the flip specifically; Mi and Ch both enjoyed the pizza, and I have had no such occurrences of taste alteration/amplification on my rolls with MDAI and Methylone - (in those cases, my sense of taste was dulled and everything tasted bland).
===The Comedown===
The comedown gave me my first experience of utter depression. I can't imagine this was from the MDMA alone, at least judging by my ability to handle methylone comedowns with great ease. I wasn't experiencing a bad trip either; there was no anxiety or real fear - only depression. And yet, I was simultaneously in good spirits. I would have never thought someone could be happy and depressed at the same time. I had some very dark thoughts, detesting aspects about myself. Just as I had earlier, I came to some very thoughtful conclusions about the nature of consciousness, but I colored these conclusions with an entirely negative perspective. However, I found I was able to distract myself with music and other tasks to counter the depression and remain tapped into the happy feelings. I think the worst part of it all was the long duration of stimulation and thirst. I wanted to go to sleep and be sober again, but this was not possible. I worried over how much water I should be drinking - it was such a bother. Aside from the prospect of dehydration, I was never worried about bodyload. The entire experience felt easy on the body, but rough on the brain. It seems the addition of 4-HO-MET succeeded in increasing the duration of the roll, but this was not entirely desirable in retrospect. I wanted my brain to stop releasing serotonin and stop dehydrating me. Finally around T+10:30 I was able to get some fruit from 7-11. This seemed to quench my thirst better than water alone, and I finally fall asleep around T+11:00.
===Conclusion===
The flip was incredible, though I will wait a long time before flipping again, when/if I do. My decision to flip again will also depend on how long it takes me to fully recover and feel normal in my head again. A future flip would most likely involve 2C-C + methylone.
The peak of the experience felt unlike any trip/roll thus far. I appreciate the MDMA's ability to "guarantee" a good trip (that felt like the case for me at least, though Er seemed to have some difficulty during the peak). Despite experiencing such impressive visuals and more ego loss than ever before, the entire peak of the trip didn't feel as "intense" as other trips. (ie. 17mg of 2C-E or 100mg of 2C-C). It was so easy and graceful. I would feel less afraid to experiment at higher doses of psychedelics if they were all like this. Unfortunately, I know for the sake of my mental health that I can't keep these MDMA "training wheels" on; the whole thing felt too neurotoxic. I hope to experience such wonderful visuals again on a psychedelic alone.
===After Effects===
This flip took way more out of me than any other trip/roll. By Day 2, I am still recovering. I have had a minor headache throughout this recovery period, but it wasn't a migraine (as is the case after 2C-C). For my eating habits during this time, I relied on the concept that the body will crave what it needs most - hence my insistence for fruit during the comedown. I suspect it is best to eat as much as one cares to eat during this time and not worry about calorie intake - more is probably better, so long as one opts for foods with high nutritional value and minimal processing.
Aside from a couple short naps on my friends couch, I arrived home and slept for about 12 hours starting at T+20hr to T+32hr
I woke up and took a multivitamin and ester-C around T+32hr.
I took 100mg 5-HTP around T+44hr which seemed to relieve the headache, but I still feel a bit weak. Standing for an extended period of time while chopping potatoes was unpleasant and caused me to feel slightly dizzy.
I noticed an unusual increase in resting heartbeat around T+48hr. I think this was attributable to either the 5-HTP or the caffeine/sugar-laden raspberry tea I was drinking. (or perhaps both)
By T+51hr I am feeling much closer to normal again. My mood is good.
MDMA (sold as "Molly" - light tan color, like beach sand)
4-HO-MET (Fumurate Salt)
Date: August 11, 2011
===Previous Experience===
2C-C, 4-HO-MET, 2C-E, 5-MeO-DALT, bk-MDMA, MDAI
===Participants/Dosage===
Self: 157mg MDMA (at t+0) + 15mg 4-HO-MET (at t+1:20) oral solutions
Er: 180mg MDMA (at t+0) + 32mg 4-HO-MET (at t+1:20) oral solutions
Ch: 75mg MDMA oral solution
Mi: 118mg MDMA oral solution
K: 27mg 2C-C oral solution
P: 35mg 2C-C (at t+0) + 25mg 2C-C (at t+0:45) oral solutions
===The Roll===
MDMA was taken at 10:40pm. It seemed to reach a plateau by around T+40 and didn't seem to be increasing in intensity. I was surprised to find that the roll wasn't as strong or profound as my previous roll of 167mg methylone. No apparent MDMA "rush" or bodyload - only an unquenchable thirst, which became more notable during the flip part of the trip. There was also some very pleasant audial enhancement; everything sounded more crisp, as if background noise was quieted and voices/music were amplified. It was very pleasant, and I remember I found it easily distinguishable from methylone. We were all very talkative, but I expected (and hoped for) more of the cuddly empathy that I got from my previous methylone roll.
===The Flip===
4-HO-MET was taken around 12:00am. This is where things got very interesting. The comeup was mentally very easy compared to previous psychedelic comeups as of lately, though there was still a very brief moment of nausea/dry-heaving. This has become a common symptom I have during psychedelic comeups, so it was of no concern, especially while under the influence of MDMA. The trip was pushed in a strong positive direction which lasted throughout all of the most intense parts of the trip. For the first time, I experienced "3D" close-eyed-visuals and a notable degree of ego loss. I suspect both of these elements would increase with a higher dosage of 4-HO-MET. Open-eyed-visuals were absent for the most part, except for a couple instances where I imagined seeing a person that wasn't there. Throughout the entire flip, I found myself wanting to move around - lot's of singing and dancing.
To ellaborate on the CEVs...
The 3D CEVs weren't what would necessarily come to mind when someone says "3D visuals" - although something about this visual experience felt familiar. Upon closing my eyes during the peak, I would describe it as being in a planetarium - a dark gray dome that extended out from with with a radius of 2 or 3 feet and served as a canvas for very interesting visuals. The visuals were notably wonderful - nothing scary or dark, as was the case on previous 4-HO-MET trips (even during very positive moments). I would see faces and figures of entities, as opposed to the very colorful and abstract 2D imagery seen on high doses of 2C-C. The radius of my close-eyed "dome" seemed to shrink and get dimmer as the trip went on, gradually resembling a more typical (and less magical) 4-HO-MET trip. I remember commenting on being somewhat annoyed at the uninteresting and predictable trip-mania after the MDMA had begun to wear off. However, the rest of the trip was still unlike a typical 4-HO-MET trip. I felt as if the roll extended to some extent - as if serotonin was still being released throughout the entire duration of the 4-HO-MET's effect.
A note on the matter of taste...
No other trip or roll has so strongly affected my taste sense. I tried some Digiorno cheese pizza around T+5:30 and found the taste to be overpowering. Initially, it tasted like the sharpest cheese imaginable - as if the entire pizza was covered in something sharper than parmesan. As I continued to chew, I began to taste pure salt - it was unbearable after a point and I spit it out. To get the taste out, I ate some cellery (what appeared to be the only fresh thing in the house). The taste of this was also amplified and somewhat unpleasant, but overall much better. There were also shells and cheese available (which I normally love), but they appeared so unappetizing and plastic-looking; I didn't dare try. I am guessing my altered sense of taste was a result of the flip specifically; Mi and Ch both enjoyed the pizza, and I have had no such occurrences of taste alteration/amplification on my rolls with MDAI and Methylone - (in those cases, my sense of taste was dulled and everything tasted bland).
===The Comedown===
The comedown gave me my first experience of utter depression. I can't imagine this was from the MDMA alone, at least judging by my ability to handle methylone comedowns with great ease. I wasn't experiencing a bad trip either; there was no anxiety or real fear - only depression. And yet, I was simultaneously in good spirits. I would have never thought someone could be happy and depressed at the same time. I had some very dark thoughts, detesting aspects about myself. Just as I had earlier, I came to some very thoughtful conclusions about the nature of consciousness, but I colored these conclusions with an entirely negative perspective. However, I found I was able to distract myself with music and other tasks to counter the depression and remain tapped into the happy feelings. I think the worst part of it all was the long duration of stimulation and thirst. I wanted to go to sleep and be sober again, but this was not possible. I worried over how much water I should be drinking - it was such a bother. Aside from the prospect of dehydration, I was never worried about bodyload. The entire experience felt easy on the body, but rough on the brain. It seems the addition of 4-HO-MET succeeded in increasing the duration of the roll, but this was not entirely desirable in retrospect. I wanted my brain to stop releasing serotonin and stop dehydrating me. Finally around T+10:30 I was able to get some fruit from 7-11. This seemed to quench my thirst better than water alone, and I finally fall asleep around T+11:00.
===Conclusion===
The flip was incredible, though I will wait a long time before flipping again, when/if I do. My decision to flip again will also depend on how long it takes me to fully recover and feel normal in my head again. A future flip would most likely involve 2C-C + methylone.
The peak of the experience felt unlike any trip/roll thus far. I appreciate the MDMA's ability to "guarantee" a good trip (that felt like the case for me at least, though Er seemed to have some difficulty during the peak). Despite experiencing such impressive visuals and more ego loss than ever before, the entire peak of the trip didn't feel as "intense" as other trips. (ie. 17mg of 2C-E or 100mg of 2C-C). It was so easy and graceful. I would feel less afraid to experiment at higher doses of psychedelics if they were all like this. Unfortunately, I know for the sake of my mental health that I can't keep these MDMA "training wheels" on; the whole thing felt too neurotoxic. I hope to experience such wonderful visuals again on a psychedelic alone.
===After Effects===
This flip took way more out of me than any other trip/roll. By Day 2, I am still recovering. I have had a minor headache throughout this recovery period, but it wasn't a migraine (as is the case after 2C-C). For my eating habits during this time, I relied on the concept that the body will crave what it needs most - hence my insistence for fruit during the comedown. I suspect it is best to eat as much as one cares to eat during this time and not worry about calorie intake - more is probably better, so long as one opts for foods with high nutritional value and minimal processing.
Aside from a couple short naps on my friends couch, I arrived home and slept for about 12 hours starting at T+20hr to T+32hr
I woke up and took a multivitamin and ester-C around T+32hr.
I took 100mg 5-HTP around T+44hr which seemed to relieve the headache, but I still feel a bit weak. Standing for an extended period of time while chopping potatoes was unpleasant and caused me to feel slightly dizzy.
I noticed an unusual increase in resting heartbeat around T+48hr. I think this was attributable to either the 5-HTP or the caffeine/sugar-laden raspberry tea I was drinking. (or perhaps both)
By T+51hr I am feeling much closer to normal again. My mood is good.
