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MDMA (12mg), Ketamine (15mg) - Inexperienced

Youkai

Youkai

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short and sweet infusion of two great combators to create a utterly beautiful experience.

~25mg of mdma was added to a shot glass with about 30mg of dried ketamine (previousely used or ketamine shots).

useing a 3/10 CC syringe I addedd to fulll loads to the shot glass and stirred arouund untill most was fully dissolved. I then filtered it through a piece of cotton and had a sot which was half of what wa originaly there o I calculate it was 12 or so mg of mdma and 15 or so mg of keatmine


when I removed the arm band I first felt teh ketamine, then I was covered with eye wigggles from the MDMA and a overalll fuzzy sensation. the whole experiences lasted about 30 min or so (slightly less of anything intesity.)


second try went as follows. (same dose, just half of the original)



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first, please add more details! Not a lot of people IV MDMA and definitely not a lot do it together with ketamine. I'm sure people would like to hear you write about it. As it stands now we will have to close this since there's really not enough information here. Which would be a shame since its a great opportunity for you to share some knowledge/your experience. Please add so I don't have to close!

Second, a warning: please do not repeatedly IV MDMA. There is good reason to believe that IV MDMA is already more neurotoxic than oral and DEFINITELY repeatedly dosing MDMA is very harmful.

Can you at least get some 5HTP and some multivitamins/anti-oxidants?

take care of yourself youkai! I'm serious!
samadhi
 
well I didnt bang 50+ mgs because of this. it was 20-25mg split into two shots with 30 or so mg of keatmine used as the solution.

I felt a wave of "roll face" coem over me within teh first min which alsted maybe 2-3min and then a 20 or so min come down of slightly amphetamine type feeling.

honestly combinded with the ketamine it was QUITE good. not over powering or anything and it felt like it would be a good rush similer to how baloons are used at raves/psych trance parties. justa balls to teh wall flash of pure euphoria.

the second shot didnt work to well because I couldnt find a vein and I kept having to pull out after injecting a slight bit. maybe one day I will try a higher dose, but Im thinkinga round 20mg of mdma would be all tahts needed for a nice rush, anything mroe and Id imagine it would be to much to fast.
 
i would like to just add my 2 cents on iv-mdma.

I have ived 100mg, it was one of the best, euphoric feelings, followed that night by one of the worst nights of my life.

The high was immediate, and a bit too strong. I has leg twiches, but felt incredible. About an hour into it it was unbelievable, and stayed that way for another good 3-4 hours.

About 6 hours or so later, i started to have convulsions, was very confused, and was over all one of the worst comedowns of my life.

I will not be doing it again.

I will say this iv was the day after doing about 400mg orally and a good amount of mdpv(maybe 60mg). That almost certainly added to the comedown and problems i had.

So I can say that iv-mdma is was one of the best feelings you can get, but also may give you one of the worst as well.
 
bhmoab1 said:
i would like to just add my 2 cents on iv-mdma.

I have ived 100mg, it was one of the best, euphoric feelings, followed that night by one of the worst nights of my life.

The high was immediate, and a bit too strong. I has leg twiches, but felt incredible. About an hour into it it was unbelievable, and stayed that way for another good 3-4 hours.

About 6 hours or so later, i started to have convulsions, was very confused, and was over all one of the worst comedowns of my life.

I will not be doing it again.

I will say this iv was the day after doing about 400mg orally and a good amount of mdpv(maybe 60mg). That almost certainly added to the comedown and problems i had.

So I can say that iv-mdma is was one of the best feelings you can get, but also may give you one of the worst as well.
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I may plan on havinga few shots pre ready for a goa show of 20-25mg and 20mg of ketamine. maybe 6 or so. I gota rsuh from just 12mg so I imagine the amount you bang only adds to the time you experience the rush.

as I am one of thsoe guys who realy just wants the rush, then a few rushes will do me better then one big rush with a platue. I would rather just aheva few rushes I can use every so offten.
 
The 100mg was a huge rush and it was almost immediate. The rush lasted a few minutes, then it just felt too strong for about 20-30 min. After that it was great for a few hours like i said than the comedown that night was horrible.

My wife wanted to bring me to the hospital, but i was pretty sure it would just pass.

I also think my horrible comedown was from using all the mdma and mdpv prior as well.

I am almost sure i wouldnt do it again, but if i did i think i would try 50 or 75.

Staying low though if that works for ya is prolly great and less of a bad comedown. Safer too obviously.

Ive searched for iv mdma here and others seem to say it is one of the worst comedowns there is.
 
As this has drifted into IV MDMA territory, I'll had my tuppence worth.

I'm one of those naughty regular IV MDMA users and one of the main reasons that I do it this way is because of the lack of comedown (and indeed come up). The same is true of others I know who use this MOA. There's simply no comparison. Perhaps it wasn't the "cleanest" batch of MDMA or, as you said, the combination with MDPV just made things icky.

I find 75-150mg or so, with the odd smaller top-up, to be the ideal amount and have never experienced any problems. I can't imagine that 12mg would feel like much of anything. 15mg of IV K on the other hand would be noticable. I suspect it was this that the OP felt - 12mg MDMA would really not add anything to the mix.

Obviously, it goes without saying that IV use of anything should not be attempted unless you really know what you are doing.
 
Youkai said:
I then filtered it through a piece of cotton and had a sot which was half of what wa originaly there o I calculate it was 12 or so mg of mdma and 15 or so mg of keatmine
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You lost half the liquid by filtering it through some cotton? You're using q-tip cotton I expect? You shouldn't be losing that much liquid (and drugs) with proper technique. Practice on some water (with no drugs) to get your technique down. If I use 30 units then I usually end up with around 27 or so (ie don't lose much at all).

You really ought to be filtering through a wheel filter though Youkai...they are free at most needle exchanges...
 
i know the mdma that i had to be of exceptional quality. im not gonna go into sources, but it is from a well respected place. orally 125 is great.

im sure the comedown was from the mix of mdpv. i think that drug is just evil now. ive done too much of it. It was also do to having so much oral mdma before.

like i said i had prolly 4-500 mg within 24 hours prior and another 200 within 48 hours.

So i cant really speak for iv-mdma alone, it just scared me with the comedown i had. Its too bad because maybe it would have been nicer alone, but it scared me off. i felt the high, and it was too much. stronger than anything else ived i have done including hydromorphone.
 
entheogenius said:
As this has drifted into IV MDMA territory, I'll had my tuppence worth.

I'm one of those naughty regular IV MDMA users and one of the main reasons that I do it this way is because of the lack of comedown (and indeed come up). The same is true of others I know who use this MOA. There's simply no comparison. Perhaps it wasn't the "cleanest" batch of MDMA or, as you said, the combination with MDPV just made things icky.

I find 75-150mg or so, with the odd smaller top-up, to be the ideal amount and have never experienced any problems. I can't imagine that 12mg would feel like much of anything. 15mg of IV K on the other hand would be noticable. I suspect it was this that the OP felt - 12mg MDMA would really not add anything to the mix.

Obviously, it goes without saying that IV use of anything should not be attempted unless you really know what you are doing.
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Note, readers, this is *highly unusual* experience and probably has a lot to do with tolerance to MDMA. 75-150mg MDMA is a HUGE IV dose (I would say a massive overdose for most people). That is pushing into the territory of cardiac danger most likely for most people.

Be VERY careful with those doses you can do some pretty horrific damage to your brain (MDMA is a proven neurotoxin to prefrontal cortex in humans as of 2006).
 
^ Apologies if it sounds like some kind of dicksizing, cos it truly wasn't meant that way. It's just what I've done for years now. 75-80% purity, for the record. I do a gram or so a month, on average. It's a hell of a rush, but it calms down pretty quickly and becomes pure inner bliss :).

In all seriousness, anyone IVing MD for the first time should probably start lower. On the couple of occasions I've shot up a friend, I gave her a small starter dose - just to raise the heart rate a little so the big one isn't such a shock to the system. I've never had/seen any problems with this, but clearly that doesn't mean that it is any way "safe" to be doing it.

Xorkoth said:
I find it hard to believe that IV MDMA would have no comedown. Is that really your experience (entheogenius)?
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Yes, it really is :). A bit lethargic the next day, but certainly no comedown as such. As I said, that is one of the reasons I prefer it that way (apart from just being a needle-whore). I am far from alone in this, I can assure you. Obviously, everybody's experience would be unique to them, but the lack of comedown from IV use applies to everyone that I know.

Same caveat applies: don't mess around with IV drug use - it can bite you.
 
samadhi_smiles said:
You lost half the liquid by filtering it through some cotton? You're using q-tip cotton I expect? You shouldn't be losing that much liquid (and drugs) with proper technique. Practice on some water (with no drugs) to get your technique down. If I use 30 units then I usually end up with around 27 or so (ie don't lose much at all).

You really ought to be filtering through a wheel filter though Youkai...they are free at most needle exchanges...
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No, I wrote/you read it wrong.

basicly I ahd a shot a ketamine, not alot but ~30mg or so in (no idea amount of water, not to much) and I desided sense there was realyc lean MDMA around to throw 25mg or so in there. I ahd some dust and stuff in the shot glass so I desided to filter it using q-tip cotton. I got cold feet on shooting 25mg for my first time so I pulled half and shot that (simi responsible I guess... right?) well I had another shot but I was to k-tarded to hit a wein so I got like alil bit in the vein and desided to just push the rest in my mouth.


as I said, it was a pretty good rush, felt like an immediate roll face if you get what Im saying. alil bit of eye flutter and nice MDMA rushing for a few mins then it subsided with no real come down. Id try it again just not right now. next time I will prob do 15mg then bump it up to 25-30mg. Id except tolerance to build rather quickly so I would stop the trials right there for a few days then continue three later or so till I found the "sweet" spot.


I think I did a good job on being responsible with this, starting at such a low dose when I COULD have went alot higher.
 
entheogenius said:
As this has drifted into IV MDMA territory, I'll had my tuppence worth.

I'm one of those naughty regular IV MDMA users and one of the main reasons that I do it this way is because of the lack of comedown (and indeed come up). The same is true of others I know who use this MOA. There's simply no comparison. Perhaps it wasn't the "cleanest" batch of MDMA or, as you said, the combination with MDPV just made things icky.

I find 75-150mg or so, with the odd smaller top-up, to be the ideal amount and have never experienced any problems. I can't imagine that 12mg would feel like much of anything. 15mg of IV K on the other hand would be noticable. I suspect it was this that the OP felt - 12mg MDMA would really not add anything to the mix.

Obviously, it goes without saying that IV use of anything should not be attempted unless you really know what you are doing.
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Id been shooting K for hours prior to this, and I DEFFINATELY felt teh difference. now it wasnt shockingly strong, in fact justa hint, a small sparkle.


I will try it agianb at higher doses, but like how people should not try the crazy high doses of ketamine I go into Im not just jumping into a tenth of MDMA, 25mg should be fine next time.


whata bout tolerance, can I shoot 25mg, find its not all there and then shoot 55-60 and still get the same as if I shot that amount from the get go?
 
samadhi_smiles said:
Be VERY careful with those doses you can do some pretty horrific damage to your brain (MDMA is a proven neurotoxin to prefrontal cortex in humans as of 2006).
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Have you got a source for the prefrontal neurotoxicity?

Ta :)
 
^^ I'll preface this by saying that I have no idea what effects doses have on anybody other than myself or those that I share the experience with. It's really something that you can only discover for yourself.

With a new batch of MD, I always take a small initial shot (25-50mg or so) to check it's strength. What I find is that even a small amount will produce the "sparkle" but it's just a threshold thing and doesn't last. I find that anything up to 100mg feels pretty similar - physical effects, but little in the way of dreamy euphoria. 100-150mg is my comfort zone. Anything much over that and you'll get very confused, to say the least.

Don't take my word for it though - stick to your plan and go in stages.

Assuming all is well, I top up to a total of the aforementioned 100-150mg. Obviously the rush is reduced, but the end product is the same: loveliness. On subsequent occasions with the same batch, I'll just go straight for the big one and enjoy the ride.

Tolerance builds reasonably quickly. I try to never top up more than two or three times in any one night as it's just wasteful and pretty pointless. It takes a few days for tolerance to drop again.

It sounds like you're being pretty sensible. It may take longer and cost more, but going up in gradual stages is definitely the way to go. High IV doses can be a tad overwhelming for some with no preparation.
 
Hey entheogenius, do you get a comedown from oral MDMA?

Your experiences sound very unusual. Be careful 'topping up' (proven to increase neurotoxicity in at least methamphetamine and probably carries over to MDMA) and also dosing 3-4 days later (also very unhealthy for body and mind).

Just take care, dude. It sounds like a practice that can bite you in the ass.

As for references, here are some that Mad Scientist posted in ADD forum:
mad scientist said:
Medina KL, Shear PK. Anxiety, depression, and behavioral symptoms of executive dysfunction in ecstasy users: contributions of polydrug use. Drug Alcohol Depend. 2007 Mar 16;87(2-3):303-11.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17074449

Quinton MS, Yamamoto BK. Causes and consequences of methamphetamine and MDMA toxicity. AAPS J. 2006 May 12;2):E337-47.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16796384

Quednow BB, Jessen F, Kuhn KU, Maier W, Daum I, Wagner M. Memory deficits in abstinent MDMA (ecstasy) users: neuropsychological evidence of frontal dysfunction. J Psychopharmacol. 2006 May;20(3):373-84.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16574711

Zakzanis KK, Campbell Z. Memory impairment in now abstinent MDMA users and continued users: a longitudinal follow-up. Neurology. 2006 Mar 14;66(5):740-1.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16534114

Thomasius R, Zapletalova P, Petersen K, Buchert R, Andresen B, Wartberg L, Nebeling B, Schmoldt A. Mood, cognition and serotonin transporter availability in current and former ecstasy (MDMA) users: the longitudinal perspective. J Psychopharmacol. 2006 Mar;20(2):211-25.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16510479
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samadhi_smiles said:
Hey entheogenius, do you get a comedown from oral MDMA?

Your experiences sound very unusual. Be careful 'topping up' (proven to increase neurotoxicity in at least methamphetamine and probably carries over to MDMA) and also dosing 3-4 days later (also very unhealthy for body and mind).

Just take care, dude. It sounds like a practice that can bite you in the ass.
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More of a comedown than with IV, but nothing too horrific. I find this to be the case with IV anything - comedowns are harsher but over with quicker. With MDMA it is really quite noticable. I've assisted a friend with this MOA a couple of times. She has always gone the oral route (never IV'ed anything) but was very keen to try it with MDMA (my fault - never good to let people see quite how much fun IV MD can be :\). She reported a marked reduction in comedown the next day. She is also quite a bit older than I am (in her early 50s) so her comedowns tend to be a lot worse than mine - I've never seen her so perky the morning after. Given the choice, she says she'd choose IV everytime now, if it were feasible.

I do top-up several times on a night of use, but I use MDMA once a month at most, frequently less. I doubt that it's doing me much more damage than the kiddies out necking 20 pills a night over the weekend. The 3-4 day thing is just for reference - it's not something that I tend to do often - just to point out that there's no need to keep chasing that buzz, cos you won't catch it again unless you give yourself a reasonable recovery time.

I genuinely thank you for your concern and the interesting research links (always good to have an idea what you may or may not be doing to yourself), but I have been injecting MDMA for at least ten years now, off and on, and have learnt most of the lessons the hard way. I'm sure that it is far from safe, but what is safe? It works for me, but clearly it is not for everyone. I also smoke it on the foil sometimes, which is probably even more unusual. Maybe I'm just a freak ;).

I'm not that unusual in my little world. Truly :D.
 
hey how does that foil work for you?

Thats something im interested in.

I wish i didnt have such a bad iv experience, it made me promise the wife i wouldnt touch the needles again.
 
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