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MDMA – First Time on Anything.

Moderate you're use, in terms of dosage and time between trips, and it will remain a rewarding experience with a relatively small impact on your body.
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Yup, I've read that just about everywhere on here :P Though I can understand why it's hard to moderate it, as I said, I really wanted to do it again after and I kept thinking about what I could do on in next time, like who would I talk to, what songs to listen to or even what things would feel like on MDMA! But I haven't yet, and now just waiting until the time is right, doesn't matter if that ends up being never.

Like others have suggested, try doing MDMA with close friends, it'll blow you mind even more. I don't know if you like electronic music, but it sounds unbelievable on MDMA. Try to find a good rave and some close friends for your next rolling experience. You could also just chill at home with your buddies, but do try going to rave at least once. It's quite the experience, and it feels awesome to see hundreds of people all dancing together to the music. You can literally see how the music is 'controlling the crowd', so to speak.
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I tried listening to some electronic music on youtube (from the list of rolling songs or whatever from ecstasy discussion) and I didn't find I liked it any better than the rest, except for the trance songs I already liked. Of course all the songs were 'the best song ever!!'

I do plan to do my 'proper' roll (1-2 pills) with others, but I don't know anyone who's into raves. I barely know anyone who does MDMA in the first place! And I bet you I'll get crap pills next time around lol.

Who knows what was in the pill? Everyone reacts differently to drugs and without a test kit we really can not say with any certainty. Some people do not even get euphoria from MDMA.
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Of course, I forgot to mention what I took >.> I adapted this report from a much longer livejournal entry where I did mention it, but forgot to here. I used the Madelin reagent (from Chemical Generation) and got blue, then black (though it looked more like really dark blue to me) so I assumed MDMA might be in the pill. But who knows how much and what else was in there (eg meth). I only did half in case something went wrong, so the low dose is correct.

As a side note, I also decided to use the reagent on the MDMA at uni as a standard. It turned light blue, then green with bits of dark blue and I was like wtf? Don't tell me they gave us speed instead of MDMA! Or this reagent probably reacts to some filler in the pill and it's a huge scam! So I tested our speed (dextroamphetamine) which just went red/yellow. Ketamine was the closest thing and I know it's not ketamine for sure, rats go nuts on the stuff. Then I read 'do not add water' on the instructions. Durrr. The drugs at uni are dissolved in saline because they're injected. Testing just saline made the reagent just go clear. There was my answer. For obvious reasons, the pure powdered form is locked away, so I don't have access to it. The concentration I tested was 6mg/ml of MDMA-CL in physiological saline.

OP, in the future test your pills. Someone of your credentials could make the reagents yourself for little to no money depending on access to university labs.
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Already got a Madelin. Hmm, I wonder if there is instructions on how to make the different types of reagents around. I'd try it out just for the fun of it :P Though I'd feel suss hunting around for different chemicals that I don't normally use, like sulfuric acid. "Yes, sulfuric acid is the vehicle of the new antagonist. Yes, I am going to inject it into rats. Will that be a problem?" I do mainly behaviour testing, so I'm not around the wet lab much.
 
mdma sometimes slowly builds rather than producing insanely quick coming up rushes. i had 150mg recently followed by 70mg and the come up was very gradual and when i did come up it was more an orgasmic feeling of falling in love.

this trip report does not sound like meth bombs as some clowns on here have jealously stated. everyone reacts differently and not all experiences with mdma are the same depending on dosage, eating a big meal before, presense of mda combo's in some pills (which cause you to come up harder and quicker ala early 90's pills), etc.
 
The first time I tried MDMA, it came up slowly on me. I just remember thinking, "Am I high? Am I rolling yet? I guess I am." I put on some The Prodigy's first album which made me slightly energetic and I started dancing.

As I danced, the feeling gradually built up. After I was finished with that I sat down on my couch and realized, "So THIS is euphoria...whoooa." I had no idea simply breathing could feel that good. It was one of the most incredible experiences of my life and I'm so lucky to have gotten a strong, clean pill for my first time.
 
I read a quote describing MDMA's effects that is apt. "What does MDMA do? Absolutely nothing." I think it was one of Shulgin's cohorts that said that.

My first experience was not unlike yours in that I expected a kind of 'super speed' and instead I just felt utterly... fine. And yea it was remarkable, and I recall saying if heaven is merely this, my hat is off to God for a job well done. It's just such a hard thing to describe--all the pain of the ego just dissolving and leaving you sitting there smiling.
 
Oh, and here's my obligatory harm reduction statement re: MDMA

A group recently did a big review study of all the MDMA research, and concluded that it can cause irreversible cognitive and emotional problems even in low doses and frequencies. Thus it really ought to be avoided entirely. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePfzeyh0B8s)

But if you're going to take it anyway--

1) The biggest harm reduction strategy regarding ecstasy is: STAY COOL.

From pubmed: "Surprisingly, MDMA-induced DA terminal loss was only observed in animals housed at warm but not at room temperature."

That means dancing for hours on end in a hot warehouse on E is not a good harm reduction strategy. But some of you are going to do this anyway. If you must... DO SMOKE POT.

From pubmed: "Surprisingly, MDMA-induced DA terminal loss was only observed in animals housed at warm but not at room temperature, and this neurotoxic effect was reversed by THC administration."

2) I went through the medical literature on pubmed and others and made a list of all the compounds that have successfully reduced brain damage in mice when given in conjunction with MDMA.

L-Deprenyl / selegiline is the most important, I think--it prevents the metabolism of dopamine, which is where you get all those nasty peroxides. While MAO-A inhibitors can cause death when taken in conjunction with MDMA, L-Deprenyl doesn't seem to pose a problem in doses below 10mgs. I recommend 3-5mg. Anyone on BIRTH CONTROL SHOULD NOT take Deprenyl, ESPECIALLY with MDMA, because the birth control makes it many times more potent.

Here are some of the studies:

Selegeline / L-Deprenyl: Monoamine oxidase-B mediates ecstasy-induced neurotoxic effects to adolescent rat brain mitochondria.

ALCAR: Acetyl-L-carnitine provides effective in vivo neuroprotection over 3,4-methylenedioximethamphetamine-induced mitochondrial neurotoxicity in the adolescent rat brain.

Alpha Lipoic Acid: Alpha-lipoic acid prevents 3,4-methylenedioxy-methamphetamine (MDMA)-induced neurotoxicity.

Summary: Preload of selegiline 3-5mg (UNLESS on birth control), ALCAR (500 mgs) and Alpha Lipoic Acid before, during, and after the roll, 100mgs 6 times a day for 48 hours. Post load with an SSRI.
 
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