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So Ive been using MDMA regularly with my gf for the past 4 months. Really clean mdma pills, confirmed with testing kit. Recently I aquired some new pills, quite a few actually....and I tested them, test resulted in MDA.

Now what would be the best thing to do with these pills? Is MDA worth the effort and harm (seems to be higher with MDA from what Ive gathered)? Trash them or eat them?
 
MDMA, MDEA or MDA - Marquis
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Mandelin - MDMA, MDEA or MDA
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Mecke - MDMA, MDEA or MDA
meckeecs.jpg


So all look the same...my question is where do you know that this is MDA? Did you test it in LAB?!
 
eLW said:
MDMA, MDEA or MDA - Marquis
marquisecstasy.gif

Mandelin - MDMA, MDEA or MDA
marquisecstasy.gif

Mecke - MDMA, MDEA or MDA
meckeecs.jpg


So all look the same...my question is where do you know that this is MDA? Did you test it in LAB?!
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I used Simons Reagant.
 
Result - Simons
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A quick reaction to dark blue indicates the presence of a secondary amine. (MDMA,MDEA,Meth).
So it can be still MDMA ;)
 
Definitely eat them!!! MDA is awesome, if you trash it would be suuch a waste. Once you eat them you'll find out what a mistake it would of been if you trashed them. You won't regret it don't worry. :)
 
Real quick question, isn't MDA a metabolite of MDMA? And it has some hallucinogenic qualities as well right?
 
Can anyone best describe the difference? I'm simply making assumptions here but:

MDMA - Methylenedioxymethamphetamine

MDA - Methylenedioxyamphetamine

From my assumptions, I'd think that MDA is simply a dumbed down version of MDMA, being that (again, assuming here) methamphetamine is just a more potent version of amphetamine. This is the only difference I see from the chemical name of the two drugs, but again, I'm no chemist. For those who have experience with both, especially those who prefer MDA, can you best describe the difference?


EDIT: So from the little bit of reading I just did, I'm gathering that MDMA has a higher euphoric value while MDA is more psychedelic, but both are still very similar? Am I right?
 
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Seattle_Stranger said:
From my assumptions, I'd think that MDA is simply a dumbed down version of MDMA, being that (again, assuming here) methamphetamine is just a more potent version of amphetamine.
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i'm no chemist either, but there are quite a few chemists on bluelight, and one might answer. i would caution strongly against inferring from names when you are not a chemist. MDA, among other things, is more powerful than MDMA (I'm not sure what you mean by "dumbed down," and I don't think it's accurate to say that amphetamine is "dumbed-down" meth.)
 
xoqqiy axlotao3al said:
i'm no chemist either, but there are quite a few chemists on bluelight, and one might answer. i would caution strongly against inferring from names when you are not a chemist. MDA, among other things, is more powerful than MDMA (I'm not sure what you mean by "dumbed down," and I don't think it's accurate to say that amphetamine is "dumbed-down" meth.)
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I'll take this one.

Chemically, MDA lacks the additional methyl (carbon) on the amine (nitrogen) which MDMA has. As you pointed out, the difference between MDA and MDMA is analogous to the difference between amphetamine and methamphetamine; i.e., both MDMA and methamphetamine have the methyl group on their nitrogen, as opposed to the hydrogen that is the case with MDA and amphetamine.

Have a look at this image for clarification:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/77/Comparisons_md_analogues.png

On the left are (going down), amphetamine, methamphetamine, and methcathinone; on the right are their MDxx counterparts.

Pharmacologically, the difference is quite substantial. Methamphetamine's additional substitution makes it MUCH more active on the serotonin system than amphetamine, which is responsible for many of the differing psychological and physiological effects between those two. This also contributes to the greater potency and toxicity of methamphetamine.

MDA has more binding activity on the 5-ht2a receptor (the target of psychedelic drugs like LSD), explaining why it's generally considered to be more psychedelic than MDMA's relatively pure entactogenic effects (note that some MDMA is metabolized to MDA, which is why there are usually some visual effects with MDMA, though this could also be a result of the receptor being flooded with serotonin released by MDMA). MDA also releases more dopamine, meaning that many people find it more stimulating than MDMA. MDA appears to be more neurotoxic than MDMA; the full discussion on neurotoxicity of these compounds is beyond the scope of my time right now.

Wikipedia has a nice chart comparing the amount of dopamine, noradrenaline, and serotonin released with a slew of different releasing agents. Note that smaller numbers mean more neurotransmitters being released:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Releasing_agent

As to which one you prefer, it comes down to personal choice. Both can be wonderful or terrible, depending entirely user. As I already said, MDA is GENERALLY considered to be more psychedelic and stimulating, while MDMA is more entactogenic. Which you prefer really comes down to personal choice.

Hope this helps :)
 
eLW said:
Result - Simons
simons%20pos.jpg

A quick reaction to dark blue indicates the presence of a secondary amine. (MDMA,MDEA,Meth).
So it can be still MDMA ;)
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No, it stayed the same color. No reaction indicates MDA according to the instructions in dancesafe.org.
 
MDA can be a beautiful thing other than the neurotoxicity. When I moved to the east coast I preferred it to mdma for a while but we get so saturated with it out here the novelty wore off pretty quick. I tend to be a lot more careful about how much I consume of it though since I have had multiple occasions where my buzz was killed by the exact same comment. "All that shit just hit me like a ton of bricks" great here we go again! Its like high school all over again and you might just spend the next couple hours babysitting someone who didn't realize what they were getting into. My advise is pop one and see if you like it. If so then have fun and be careful, if not then turn your friends on but let them know what they are getting into. Have fun and be safe!
 
AunShui said:
I'll take this one.

Chemically, MDA lacks the additional methyl (carbon) on the amine (nitrogen) which MDMA has. As you pointed out, the difference between MDA and MDMA is analogous to the difference between amphetamine and methamphetamine; i.e., both MDMA and methamphetamine have the methyl group on their nitrogen, as opposed to the hydrogen that is the case with MDA and amphetamine.

Have a look at this image for clarification:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/77/Comparisons_md_analogues.png

On the left are (going down), amphetamine, methamphetamine, and methcathinone; on the right are their MDxx counterparts.

Pharmacologically, the difference is quite substantial. Methamphetamine's additional substitution makes it MUCH more active on the serotonin system than amphetamine, which is responsible for many of the differing psychological and physiological effects between those two. This also contributes to the greater potency and toxicity of methamphetamine.

MDA has more binding activity on the 5-ht2a receptor (the target of psychedelic drugs like LSD), explaining why it's generally considered to be more psychedelic than MDMA's relatively pure entactogenic effects (note that some MDMA is metabolized to MDA, which is why there are usually some visual effects with MDMA, though this could also be a result of the receptor being flooded with serotonin released by MDMA). MDA also releases more dopamine, meaning that many people find it more stimulating than MDMA. MDA appears to be more neurotoxic than MDMA; the full discussion on neurotoxicity of these compounds is beyond the scope of my time right now.

Wikipedia has a nice chart comparing the amount of dopamine, noradrenaline, and serotonin released with a slew of different releasing agents. Note that smaller numbers mean more neurotransmitters being released:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Releasing_agent

As to which one you prefer, it comes down to personal choice. Both can be wonderful or terrible, depending entirely user. As I already said, MDA is GENERALLY considered to be more psychedelic and stimulating, while MDMA is more entactogenic. Which you prefer really comes down to personal choice.

Hope this helps :)
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A better answer than I could've asked for, thank you very much. As I stated many times, I'm no chemist and no doctor, so that's why I clearly said my assumptions were exactly that, assumptions. :)

Thanks for the very in depth answer. You've successfully made my desire for MDA more than it already was. Thank you!! :p
 
I would choose mda any day over mdma. I get very amazingly bizzare hallucinations with mda far differnt then what I have experienced on any other chem Iv'e done
 
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