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mda ?tartate? + lsd crystals

mygreenbic

mygreenbic

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Ok so i am waiting for my friend to drop of lsd crystals and something called mda tartate i think it is. Now i have mixed lsd and mdma before and loved it but never have i mixed lsd and mda and never have i even heard of mda tartate. Has anyone ever heard of the tartate first and how different is it than mda? Also is it safe to mix lsd with mda let alone mda tartate? Any risk of seratonin syndrome? Any help, tips, advice would be greatly appreciated. If you can give me a quick reply that would be great because he will be arriving soon. Also which order do you think i should take the mix and length apart. Thank you in advance
 
Has anyone ever heard of the tartate first and how different is it than mda?
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It's simply a salt made using tartaric acid, in the same way mda hcl is a salt made using hydrochloric acid. I don't know the exact weight difference off the top of my head, but tartrate is heavier.
Also is it safe to mix lsd with mda let alone mda tartate?
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Yes
Any risk of seratonin syndrome?
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No
Any help, tips, advice would be greatly appreciated
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At the risk of sounding cynical, I doubt very much that you have lsd crystal or mda tartrate. MD** compounds are more commonly found as hcl salts, and lsd crystal is not at all common. Of course I could be wrong.
 
Forget about the tartrate. Tartrate is an ionic form of tartaric acid and it is not psychoactive, it just means you have a different form of MDA that is about 55% as strong as the freebase compared to somewhere around 83% for the HCl. The total sum means MDA tartrate can only be about 66% as strong as MDA HCl but it has the exact same effects. In other words: if it's true it is weaker.

MDA is more trippy than MDMA and lasts longer, it can also have a more heavy hangover. Don't combine it with LSD before elaborately trying it out itself first. If you do combine it, it may be a bit heavier even than a MDMA & LSD combination and also more trippy even. You can do that but be careful and like I said: first experiment without combining. No particular risk of serotonin syndrome but don't use very high doses of MDA.

Also, be suspicious about LSD crystal: unless it's insanely expensive per weight it is probably not LSD but another drug.

LSD isn't normally available so you should have a very good reason to believe it is actually that.

LSD is enormously potent, how do you plan on measuring out a dose??

edit: after reading the comment above I have to agree that the mention of LSD crystal makes it all the more unlikely that the MDA is actually MDA. Either that or the other way around: someone actually taking the effort to report the type of salt might be for real, but making the tartrate salt is a pretty dumb move and borderline 'cutting' of product without losing the ability to crystallize.

I think LSD is often tartrate salt so maybe your source thinks he is smart copying that piece of info without knowing the specifics.
 
Your reply was extremely informative. He is giving me five doses of crystals which should be a little to small to dilute. Also he is out of hovering which he usually dissolves his acid in. He *is pretty deep into this stuff*. Shit i hope it's not broom dragon or 5meoamt but he is usually trust worthy. In the past i have ivd my mda. Would this be a bad idea with lsd? Also which do you think i should do first? Sir you seem very smart and you might benefit by the book the psychedelic experience based on the Tibetan book of the dead. I well include the link *that won't be necessary*. Thanks again.
 
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Injecting LSD is pointless because it works so well just absorbed under the tongue. There are few drugs that are absorbed that well. So just take it that way.

Separate crystal LSD doses sounds a little crazy since it should be almost impossible to the naked eye. How are you going to track down something the size of half a grain of sand? Does this person have a microgram range scale to measure those crystal doses?

Yes I do agree you're lucky if the quality of the crystal is good but remember to protect it from the 'elements of nature' that will degrade it. Personally I would consider getting the crystal for novelty but choose liquid dosage to be able to measure properly. Even if drops are not perfectly steady measures of doses.

I'm going to moderate a bit of your posts. I suggest you keep some things to yourself and also don't share copyrighted material here. Thanks.

I have the Tibetan Book of the Dead somewhere but not by Leary, rather some kind of translation, not paraphrased.

We don't cover questions that are like 'what should I do?'. Choose for yourself what you try and in what order.

Let me ask you though, what is your previous experience with drugs? If you say you typically IV MDA (you mean MDMA or MDA?), then apparently you have already tried it.
I would start by figuring out how to properly measure out an appropriately low dose of acid to start you off, disregarding MDA as something you have yet to try.
 
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A gram of LSD crystal makes 10,000 doses and costs between $16,000 - $22,000 in your relative area.

Keep that in mind before you trust your friend who is supposedly hooking you up with single doses of crystal LSD.

I am not saying this is impossible. However that situation would be incredibly rare. I would ask a few informed questions, first.
 
Ok people, i appreciate your input. If you read the original post, however, i have done mda, but not with lsd. I have done mdma with lsd. He did end up mixing three crystals with solution, albeit a huge amount of liquid which passed me off. Crystal lsd isn't so rare in Pittsburgh. I used to get amber crystal with a friend in bulk, mixed into sweet breath solution droplets.
I fucked myself. I wasn't thinking because earlier in the day i got a script of sixty 10mg diazepam and throughout the day ate about ten. This ruined the 240mg mda powder i ingested. I decided to save the acid for today. These drugs aren't so rare in Pittsburgh. There has always been a ton of every variety of drug here. The psychedelic drugs probably because of the still thriving under ground rave scene. We have harm reduction boothS that use marquis present tests so allot of our drugs our pure because of this.
And i have been using limelight since 2000 when somewhere in the mix of rehabs, i forgot my login information. I think i was sp0r something and have helped many people. Back then people weren't on such high horses and telling people that they are basically full of shot and are lying about what drugs they got.
Since when can't we ask what to do? I thought this was harm reduction " based" and i was merely trying to avoid casualty through bad synergy or taking things in the wrong order. I also posted that pdf as a gift for the answers to my questions and i am so deeply sorry from the bottom of my heart for offending you guys in the process. I thought we are all brothers in sisters in this world of the surreal and at what point did we become so cynical and critical of one and other?
If this eases the situation, i apologize. You guys are right i am being dishonest to you. It wasn't mda it was baking soda andit wasn't acid it was pop rocks dilute in water.
i apologize for asking for help and advice and next time will assume i know everything at the risk of my life. Sorry for being sarcastic, but i am a 31 year old man whom has been doing a myriad of drugs since thirteen and i am uncomfortable with the fact that because the fact that i swallowed my pride and asked questions, i was made to feel two feet tall.
 
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Nobody is making you feel bad we are just trying to tell you there's a fair chance a lot of people claiming to get LSD crystal and MDA tatrate at the same time might be misinformed.

Just lookin out for you, bro. And you did say you are a 31 year old man, so I think you can handle and understand that without acting like everyone here is trying to gang up on you.
 
mygreenbic said:
...Back then people weren't on such high horses and telling people that they are basically full of shot and are lying about what drugs they got... I thought we are all brothers in sisters in this world of the surreal and at what point did we become so cynical and critical of one and other?
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Well that's a perfectly fine worldview to have if you're 12 years old. :D But in the real world, people lie or are misinformed; or even may be actively trying to cheat you or scam you. This seems especially true when drugs and money are involved. We're telling you to be careful, because its unlikely for someone to possess both LSD crystal (what salt?) and MDA tartrate (if this is indeed what it is, I doubt it... I would be curious to do some spectroscopy on that compound and find out what's going on, the tartrate anion is a big ass organic group, it would be easy to tell if that is the case). Perhaps consider sending a sample in to ecstasydata.org, they will test it for a fee.

Anyways, we aim to be critical of ideas on bluelight, not people. And you're right, we are critical and skeptical, because this is a harm reduction site. We assume that there are dangers out there, and warn you about what they may potentially be and suggest ways to avoid them; and its then up to you to choose what advice you want to take, keeping in mind that free advice is usually worth exactly what you paid for it. ;)
 
Thanks for not being helpful at all and kind of making a point for mygreenbic, BLS :\

But what I guess you are saying in other words is the same Roger has also underlined. Us together form a community that can show a realistic picture to people. We are all people behing a computer though so we can't really prove much at all. Still for us to work together forming an educated opinion statistics are employed and it is just statistically unlikely to run into crystal LSD, MDA tartrate and also being pretty new at this whole thing (otherwise you wouldn't need to ask).

So I agree: we are not here to bring you down, we are here to give you a fair warning. Everyone thinks they are in a unique situation where they can rely on friends to tell the truth, but some of the time people want to brag, other times make the most money they can... and other times your friends might be relying on wrong information themselves. I have been proven wrong in the past and everyone should be realistic and understand that they can be lied to, even if it isn't always purely meant to harshly rip others off.

Sorry if you felt belittled, if you are a long time drug user but stay within a certain social circle... that doesn't necessarily make you 'world-wise', if you come here you will see that other PD-ers have read enough to know what is suspiciously and very borderline 'too good to be true'. And you know why? Statistically in most cases they are right, crystal LSD is so rare that you have an overwhelming chance of getting something almost like it. But not entirely.

Also can I remind you again to keep some things to yourself about thing like crystal LSD availability? No reason to get incredibly paranoid but this is a public forum you know.

Indeed we are skeptical to ideas and we gave you several things that don't seem right about the story. This is not like a squabble and not at all personal. More like a pseudo-scientific analysis combined with statistical probability and for your premise the analysis is just not looking good. In the end you might have LSD crystal and MDA tartrate after all, statistics are limited and don't prove one truth. Yet you don't seem to understand enough of what you're dealing with. No need to prove anything or convince us, but rather it is best for you to argue a probable truth and especially possible risks.
 
The Psychedelic Drug section of Bluelight tends to have a lot of people that wont believe the purity/quality or what substance you have alongside the dose you are taking. Unfortunately it's just one of those things that seems to be a regular occurrence here, tends to happen for the first few posts then someone will come along with the correct answer. Just have a bit of patience, someone will be in a similar situation as you and be able to comment. Although regarding LSD crystal, it isn't very common and so those who have access to it are quite reluctant to discuss it on a place like Bluelight where it's literally a Google search away from everyone in the world so answers related to something like that are much more scarce - unless it is someone speaking with chemistry knowledge but no experience with interacting/handling crystal.
 
Come on dude, do you really think some rando who can't even spell tartrate correctly is going to have access to both crystal LSD and MDA? I don't believe it, it's not baseless disbelief, there's a reason why everyone here is skeptical. It's because there are tons of misrepresented drugs on the street, the guy doesn't seem to know much about psychedelics, and the fact that the MDA is coming in tartrate form is incredibly implausible.
 
So you judge someone's drug access based on their grammar?
Exactly what I'm talking about, you should take a look here:

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/621515-Superiority

Fair enough the person might not have it. But this is the second thread I've had a wee look at in here within the past week or less and just found the posts doubting the original poster rather than actually answer the question. I'm sure if they wanted to find out about the legitimacy of what they have then they would have posted that question. It's turning into as bad as ED only with this whole superiority/doubt thing going on. Slowly becoming another section of BL that is only worth visiting for the social thread and archived information.

In case you missed the point, these are their questions:

"Has anyone ever heard of the tartate first and how different is it than mda? Also is it safe to mix lsd with mda let alone mda tartate? Any risk of seratonin syndrome?"
 
@SpecialK_

The first answer OP got (from delta9) was actually a perfect answer to his questions.

I honestly can't see it's got anything to do with "superiority" that people doubt that he's got MDA tartrate and chrystal LSD. I don't believe it either, because logic says it's just very very very unlikely.
And I actually think that OP learned something from this thread (if he can swallow his pride) and be a bit more sceptic in the future, of the bullshit most drug dealers say.

Likewise I don't see it as "superiority", in any way, when people here in PD don't believe some kid claiming to have done 20 mg 25i-NBOMe or 200 mg 4-aco-dmt in one dose or what ever.......it's pretty dangerous information to leave unattested on a harm reduction forum. And some people might not be aware that some of these people bragging about the huge doses they take, could either have subpar material, have a huge tolerance or maybe just be straight up lying for the hell of it.
 
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