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MDA, MDMA- 4th time - Weed, Nitrous- experienced- Total dissolution of Self

Fetish Jester

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This is my first post on trip reports as most of my trips of any kind can be considered "textbook." The following account, however is what I can recollect of what was the most "wrong" experience I have had on any chemical or combination of chemicals ever. Any feedback on the hows and whys of this trip would be taken gladly, and advice as to wheter I should seek any medical attention would also be appreciated. If you can't be bothered reading the whole story, I'll highlight where you should start with a line of bold or something. Now, onto the story.
Firstly, I'll give a quick background, I've used MDMA about 4 times, MDA about once or twice, weed and nitrous countless times. I've got very stable mind, and no health concerns. I preloaded at 8pm with 300mg of elemental Magnesium, 3.5g of Glutamine, 2g of L-tyrosine, 1.5g of DLPA, 1g of Vit C and a Multivit all washed down with apple juice.
This trip first began at about 12:30pm-1am at a certain event. There has been a grave paranoia around our area of Australia of sniffer dogs being used at events, so I hid my three pills, 2 strong MDMA tablets and 1 MDA tablet in a baggie of curry powder wrapped up tightly then immersed in a baggie of vinegar. It was my impression at the time that the baggie containing the pills was watertight. Apparently it wasn't.
When I came to opening the baggie containing the pills, what was present was a mush that had 2 soggy looking pills, which were the MDA and MDMA. Due to confusion at the time, I had assumed that I had sold one of the pills to a friend, so I consumed the mushy curry powder and the MDA pill. As I left the toilet where I had eated the MDA pill and licked the baggie, I realied that I HADN'T sold the other pill and it must've dissolved in the baggie.
I had inadvertantly double dumped. 2 strong pills, one MDA and one MDMA, this was not good, as I am a lightweight when it comes to drugs, and I haven't ever taken that large amount of any MDXX compound.
I was able to find some Bluelighters who were able to direct me to the puddle of the more mashed Bluelighters right near the first aid tent. At this point, my body was very shaky, my pulse was pounding, I was sweating profusley and there were visual trails to the point of almost complete blurriness of vision, along with the blurriness of vision, the music that was playing turned into a constant block of noise, and my voice sounded disembodied. Inside I was calm, but it was very hard to think clearly or carry on a conversation without forgetting what was said or being distracted by "pretty lights."
After about an hour of this, I was able to have enough control of my body to return to the dancefloor and carry on a pretty intense, but nondescript trip. I.E I loved every moment of it, danced, met fantastic people, but it was as I said before a "textbook" experience.
At 5 to 5:30am, I decided (against my better judgement) to consume what was left of the soggy MDMA pill I had in my baggie. I mention this, because I think it has some impact on what happened in the next few hours. Drug count 1 MDA, 2 MDMA.
We arrived at the designated crash pad, and I was still feeling the effects of the last pill quite strongly, almost a "peak" but not as intense, all ready to crash, when quite a large spliff (joint) was passed around from about 5 or 6 people, me included. We went inside and then nitrous was passed around. It was also commented before the nitrous was taken but after the spliff, that no one who had preloaded the vitamins I mentioned at the top were feeling "sketchy" or "brain raped"
I was able to observe before I took a hit that everyone who came to the event with us and who took some nitrous were much more than usually removed from reality than is exepected with just nitrous or nitrous and weed. I was experiencing some slight visuals reminiscent of my last MDA experience, but with slighter intensity possibly due to the weed that was smoked earlier.
Due to an intense psycadelic experience with LSD a week before, there was some point in these proceedings before I had a hit of nitrous that my visuals slid into an acid flashback, and I was staring at my hands for about 10 minutes before my first hit. At this point, I there was a subtle feeling of "stonieness" but the amphetamine qualities of the MDMA pill were still very prominent, along with slightly more insense visuals.
From this on in, this trip report has been scraped together from what people saw, and what I remembered. This also is the point where I was most attention taken to.
I took my first hit of nitrous sitting down, and just after I inhaled I felt myself falling back and hitting the ground. I "woke" up, feeling that same fuzziness of body that I feel in the few times I've ever fainted in my life. I then spent a long time staring at the ceiling, musing at how it looked. I think I was still aware of myself and my surroundings at this point.
When I took the second hit, things got very strange. I was experiencing a complete loss of short term memory, and I was talking out loud when I thought I was thinking and thinking when I was talking out loud. I was unable to distinguish between either. When I did talk out loud, apparently my speech was very disjointed, even though I though I was coherent. At this point I discovered that what I percieved to be happening and what was happening very different things. I knew that I was having short term amnesia, and having difficulty thinking clearly. Also, if I really concentrated, I was able to communicate one idea almost coherently. The amnesia also affected my identity and the knowledge of where I was. I knew that I was in a familar place, with familar people, but I was unable to put names to faces, or identify where I was and more importantly, WHO I was.
Inside a deep recess of my mind, I was very calm as I knew it was just the chemicals and lack of sleep playing havok with my mind, so I took myself to a quiet room, layed down on the bed, and waited for the effects of all the drugs to wear off.
As I lay on the bed and stared at the wall, my mind started to think random jumbles of thoughts, with free association going rife within my mind. Also I begain to lose any contact with my body. For example, I saw my finger, moved it, but it did not register that it was MY finger. When I didn't move, I felt like I wasn't in my body. Apparently, I was grinding my jaw or biting quite hard because when I recovered my jaw was very saw, and there were ulcers all around my mouth and tounge.
I attempted to ground myself by saying my full name. I.e "My name is XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX" but they did not register even as I said them. It is my hypothesis that the chemicals were directly playing havok with the connection between linguistic centers and memory. Along with these, the hallucinations were a bit more prominent. Passing cars would turn into techno music, and a tree outside looked like it was full of crows. There were also slight audiotory hallucinations of people saying slightly "bad" things about me, but they did not affect me at all as I knew that I was tripping. All through this time, I still had the thought/speech "thing" (for want of a better word) where I couldn't tell if I was talking or thinking. These were much more intense whenever my short term memory "wiped" I.E when I realised that I HAD forgotten something.
Some point into this experience, I left the bedroom to go the the bathroom to pee or something. I was able to do this, but when I looked in the mirror, I saw my face, but it took a short while to realise who it was. I also noticed that my eyes looked like no one was there. They were just 2 black pools.
I finished my business and went back to bed. After that, I have no memory of what happened until I "woke" up. From what I've asked around, I apparently went to sleep, but it was not a restful one for me.
It is now a few days after the trip and I am feeling completely normal, I have not had any reoccurances, and I have been carrying on with my usual life.
I'd also like to point out that at not time was I agitated, disturbed or in what I'd call a "bad trip" my mind was calm at every second of the whole experience.
I'd really like to get some feedback on exactly what happened, if there's a medical term for it, and the such.
I apologise for the length of this report, but this is what happens when I write without any notes. Sorry. :\
[ 17 July 2002: Message edited by: Fetish Jester ]
 
Sorry you had a scary experience, but thanks for sharing your time with us!
I cannot really explain what happened to you.. I am no doctor.
But were the pills tested by you, or did you see the test results? No pills could of contained Ketamine (or maybe even DXM?)? Just wondering because you did get quite detached from yourself, and I've only remembered one time when nitrious effects lasted for ages (cancle's NYE report), and that was also combined with many other drugs.
I'm not sure what else I can say, if you feel alright now I would say it's all good, just make sure the baggies are airtight if you're going to an event with sniffer dogs (Have you checked out http://www.snifferdogalert.com btw?)
 
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I can 100% assure you that there was no DXM or Ketamine in the pills that I took. They've been reported on, and my friends have taken them and had just the usual effects.
Oh, and there was no Ketamine/Nitrous body dissociation, or tingly ness. I just remembered that when I washed my face in the bathroom, I felt the coldness. It was more like a mind thing...
Oh, and the baggies thing: I've visited www.snifferdogalert.com and got the info there. At the time I set them it they were airtight... I must've done something during transit.
 
Very well written! Sorry you had a bad time, but thanks for posting about your experience.
What happened? In my opinion you just simply overdid it! No need for fancy scientific terms or medical data. In the spirit of harm reduction, bad things start happening when you push it so hard every weekend. Why not take a three month break and just relax?
It's been a couple weeks, so how are you feeling now? Any lingering effects? Best wishes!
 
I just remembered this trip report!
Yeah, I guess I did overdo it... Not enough sleep, too many drugs (I'm usually a one pill a night guy, and I do it about once every 3-4 months)
There are no real lingering effects, except now whenever I really push the boundaries of exhaustion (like go a day or two without sleep) I get a very slight version of the total mindfuck I was experiencing. Now that I know my limits though, I'm never going to do that again. I feel stupid for pushing myself that hard, but I also feel glad that I know when to stop now.
 
Hey dood nice report :D
What u described sounded very similar, only a little more potent then a similiar experience me and some firends had on strong mda/mdma pills
We all took 1 1/2 each, anyway, visuals, intense peaks, lots of good tiems had by all during the nite
The trip home however it was a different story. One mate was constantly telling us about how he couldnt remember more than 5 secs, he would do this loop of telling us about it but it was like he was thinking it not telling us, and he couldnt remember a thing
The next thing we noticed was that passing vehicles sounded like techno as they came closer, and the bizzare thing was that we could all pick the genre as it approached, DNB! We'd yell, HARD TRANCE !!! I tell you the trains at the station played the sickest happy hard i have heard, and the fan behind me when i was taking a leak in the station toliet played wicked jungle!! :D
Anyway, these are similar symtptoms u have described in your report only possibly milder
I also experienced a "disentatchment" from myself, i would look in the mirror and wonder who was looking back
I think it was just the dosage of mda/mdma that i had had, as i stayed 'up' for a very long period (aprox. 12 hours)
As Catch 22 said, i think it was just a bit of overdoing it :D
 
No tolerance + lots of MDA + lots of MDMA + lots of WEED + lots of NITROUS = INSANITY
I think the medical term would be "absolutely fucked off your chops"! :)
Sounds like it was scary but view it as a positive experience: View it as about as fucked as it is possible to get, and use it as a reference point for future exploration.
 
Mate, sounds like you had an enlightening experience.
A friend of mine had the same memory problems after a Utopia. She kept saying the same thing over and over again, thinking it was the first time she said it.
She also had the Jaw wobbles.
She was comming down hard, and then smoked heaps of pot. That what I think did it for her.
 
I am glad you shared this rare experience with everyone. It may benefit someone else who may sometime have a similar experience.
 
Very well written!
Unique experience,but still easy & great to relate to dude ;)
Could it be possible that the substances consumed may have had an altered state due to them being dissolved,etc?
[ 30 October 2002: Message edited by: Scatteredasfuck ]
 
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Well, MDMA and MDA are very stable substances, so I don't think they would have reacted with the vinegar or curry powder to make any strange mixtures.
What probably happened was I got a HUGE dose of MDMA and MDA because they were dissolved and thus were able to be absorbed faster. I think this cause it hit me like a mofo, but then I came back down after only a short while, which is charactistic of fast absorbtion (think doing lines compared to munching pills.) Also, the mixture of vitamins I preloaded with would have contributed to my state.
I think it was more my bodies chemistry and not the chemistry of the drugs that caused me to have such a strange experience.
 
Once I did 4 and half pills (I have a high tolerance and the pills are wank) and smoked an entire quater with 2 mates. I remember it now, I kept forgetting what I did a few seconds before. I kept trying ot tell this story to my mates and then forget how far I had got and start again thinking I hadn't told them.
You're not alone :-)
 
when I'm really fucked up on MDMA (150+ mg) I also have a short term memory of about 5-10 seconds. However, on equivalent or higher doses of MDA I am just fine. Perhaps it has something to do with MDA's greater dopaminergic activity and its more psychedelic character (5-HT2A agonism coordinates norepinephrine firing in the locus corueleus as well as coordinating glutamatergic neuron firing in certain parts of the cortex).
I had one experience on MDMA that is somewhat like what you described. I took 1.5 pressed pills, didn't expect them to be too strong, but they knocked me on my ass and made me completely e-tarded. At some points during the experience I did feel dissociated from my body in much the same way you described; it was as if I was too e-tarded to process all my sensations at once, so almost every outside stimulus was ignored and I was lost at sea internally.
[ 05 November 2002: Message edited by: 5-HT2 ]
 
Originally posted by boom:
The trip home however it was a different story. One mate was constantly telling us about how he couldnt remember more than 5 secs, he would do this loop of telling us about it but it was like he was thinking it not telling us, and he couldnt remember a thing
That exact thing has happened to me. I had spent a night at a rave with friends, consumed 3 pills and some quite strong speed (and i don't usually do speed). when we got back to a friends place after the rave everyone started smoking. i ended up having around 5 - 6 cones when i usually have only 2 - 3. Anyway, after that basically exactly what u just described happened to me. I sat out by my friends pool stuck in this mental loop, with short term memory span of about 5 seconds. I kept trying to explain it to my friends, but then forgetting i'd attemped to explain it then attempted to explain it again. It lasted a good hour or so before i started to get a grip on things.
 
Sounds like a normal roll. Just sounds like a very intense roll. It's normal to sometimes forget who or where u r ..as u call it amnesia... and it is completely normal to be yelling out shit, i think its called shooting the salad. Anyways Now u should kno ya limits and hopefully u will have a better roll next time
 
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"Shooting the Salad"? Wow, there's even a term for it! :D
Now I know it happens a lot, it's all good, but I somehow doubt I'd ever refer to it as "normal" ;)
 
By saying normal i mean it's a thing that sometimes happens when u r rolling. i guess it all depends on wut is in the pill and also the amount of e u take... am i wrong? anyone want to back me up. I remember one of my first few times rolling and my girlfriend took 2 really good rolls (idont know wut was in it cuz we didnt test um)but anyways she lost her mind, didnt kno where she was, started talkin to me as if i was one of her classmates in school, started seeing shit and she thought she was gunna die. but after a year and a half laterof rolln she realizes that this kind of things that happen is shit that happens when u roll and she was just having a really good roll at the time.. do i make sense??
 
Sorry to bring this thread back, but this has just answered one of my experiences. I have had an almost identical one after having strong pills, nitrous, meth and cones. I on the other hand attributed it to cones and meth. When we got to my friends house after an event, i couldn't even hardly feel my pill. We had a few hits of nitrous and a few lines of crushed rock followed by a cone. about 15 min we went to a shopping centre and I totally lost. I didn't even know where I was, who I was, the world didn't exist anymore. This however lasted for only about 10 minutes after which i "awoke" to friends taking care of me and telling me, i'm cool and we are just buying mother's day presents and going home... next few hours, i knew what was going on, but vaguely. I've smoked pot regularly then, and i could almost feel that it was the combination of some mind blowing rock and bud.
 
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