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mCPP (with GBL later on) -- Second experiment -- Mundane, Crappy, Poor Piperazine

Splatt

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20:25 [T-0:10] Dropped four tablets of ginger root powder extract, to help with stomach and nausea issues I had with my first mCPP experiment, and a lot of other drugs.

20:35 [T+0:00] Dropped 85-95mg of mCPP in some rolly paper and then go and have a shower.

20:50 [T+0:15] Some colours are starting to stand out more than usual, but they are not the usual neon-grouped ones that stand out on say 2C-B, MDMA/MDA or LSD. More the browns, greys, yellows and darker colours. I am starting to narrate what I am doing and about to do in my head a bit more. I am feeling something ever so slightly, but definitely no real effects yet.

21:10 [T+0:35] Starting to feel nauseous and more saliva is building around my mouth than usual. I am also getting indigestion feelings and feel burpy. Starting to sneeze a few times in a row and my nose is rather blocked. The drug does not seem to have decongestive abilities. I am constantly getting gaggy feelings which are not comfortable and my eyes are running.

My forehead feels rather tight and tense, as does most of my face seem like it is under some sort of tension. I have got a semi head ache and in other words I am not exactly feeling great but I try not letting this come up feeling hinder a possible good experience. Eyes do not appear dialated at all and the skin of my arms and hands feels rather sticky, like on mushrooms.

21:15 [T+0:40] Started feeling some weird extra sensations on my skin. Could be the start of those "cold rushes" i have read about in other reports. Vision has become worse, harder to read, but not because i feel high, dizzy or am hallucinating. It just seems to have changed my vision somewhat in a non psychedelic way. Similar to how reading becomes harder on opiates.

21:20 [T+0:45] Colours arent exactly brighter or anything, but anything you look at, the dominant colour seems to stand out much more, and so will all other things in your peripheral vision of that colour.

21:22 [T+0:47] Just threw up in the toilet. Somehow some shitty sweet and sour pork microwave meal came up and I ate that about 7 hours ago. But some toast and some crackers with cheese I ate many hours after that did not. How does that work?

21.25 [T+0:50] Starting to feel a bit hot and have a fair bit of sweat on my forehead. Just put on some music (a freeform hardcore set) and it doesn't sound like I'm on a psych or MDxx. Sounds pretty normal but every now and then i can convince myself otherwise. I close my eyes and am only just able to get a very slight "I'm on something" or dissociate feel. Starting to get random blood vessel or pressure point twitches and also random quick sharp pains, they are pretty tolerable though.

21:30 [T+0:55] Face is drooping somewhat, although it feels like iot is dropping much more than it actually is. My feet are getting restless and I keep stretching the top of my foot and fidgeting them a lot. I now notice some medium warping and morphing going on but the visuals stop as soon as I realise it was in sync to my shallow breathing. I start to get that feeling that your front top gums or top teeth or pushing out more, that you get on ecstasy.

21.35 [T+1:00] Feels like heat isnt being regulated properly and getting constant muscle annoyances, such as twitching and continuous jumping. So far I don't rate the body high very good at all, and the mental high is lacking severely.

21:40 [T+1:05] I'm not a violent person at all, but i found some forced images going on in my mind of beating up dead corpses sarcastically funny, but I didn't laugh about it. Seems to bring out my forced dark humor.

21:45 [T+1:10] This drug has ruined my creativity or drive to be a bit insane like i usually am, or just do weird shit, walk funny or make weird noises and talk to myself in a different character like usual. I am definately "on" a drug now. I don't feel this drug has much of it's own character, and what little character it has is pretty uninteresting. Boredom quickly turns into a sort of anxiety or just a general feeling of wanting it to be over, not because its bad, but because I would rather be sober.

I do not really like the facial tension I get on it, it's doing something weird to my sinus, and it is making breathing slightly harder. I am still not taken over by any complete high yet, like a stream of consciousness or just any complete and continuous effects. I did stretch my arms and back though and it felt pretty good, but it probably would normally too. So far though nausea isn't as bad as it is in the first hour and an half on MDMA for me.

22:00 [T+1:25] This must be the peak or nearing it now and there is no push in any direction. This is boring at best. Random pains and tensions are persisting. I would definitely rather be sober. I am thinking of having the remainder of my GBL I have been saving to straighten things out.

22:10 [T+1:35] No new or stronger effects at all. Same old flushed, puffy face feeling. Still got the shitty facial tension and now the nausea is creeping back up. I am very gassy. There are less than pleasing tastes in my mouth. Where are these cold rushes? I just feel overheated worse than on pills.

22:35 [T+2:00] Nothing has changed really, I now know that the high isn't getting any better or more intense. I have been talking to someone from Bluelight on the internet for the past half hour or so. I don't have the motivation to go for a walk in the dark, and feel it would be uninteresting at most anyway. Still feel hot like my face is flushed red, and feel tension under my eyes. I am still sweating with my fan on.

22:50 [T+2:15] Unless it is because I am still engaged in an internet conversation I am not feeling nauseous or feeling all the shitty effects as much now. But i do feel a bit too hot to be comfortable, maybe even hotter than before.

23:25 [T+2:50] I have been talking to the same Bluelighter since the last timestamp, normally this is not what I would choose to do when taking a chemical, far from it. The only use of a computer would be to play music or watch something trippy if I am inside. But I find you have to be doing something on the drug to overcome its side effects. I could not just melt into my surroundings and enjoy any type of trip or feeling. I notice now that when I lay back and stare i get moving peripheral visuals, like something continuously moving away or scrolling in a certain direction. When you focus on that object, picture or pattern directly there is no moving anymore.

23:27 [T+2:53] The feeling is still pretty much at that same uneventful level so I have 2.1ml of pure GBL in some orange juice.

23:40 [T+3:05] The G has kicked in but im not overly sedated or relaxed, I just feel better as expected. There is no amazing synergy at all, unlike meth and G which feels wonderful. It's like I am not feeling the full G effect either, or the mCPP much anymore. Somehow, it is like they have both cancelled each other out to a degree.

23:55 [T+3:20] I have the rest of my G which is only about 0.7ml. Mixed with orange juice again.

00:00 [T+3:25] More of the same. Not really feeling any different, slightly down from the background mCPP buzz which is actually what I wanted. The G is having some effect which I can enjoy. G really is the wonder drug for any time and place!

00:15 [T+3:40] Feeling kind of hungry I go and eat some Weet Bix with milk as chems, especially GBL cause some gut problems for me along with some gross bowel movements. Fiber normally fixes it somewhat.

00:20 [T+3:45] Check eyes, they are ever so slightly dilated. I sit back for a few minutes to digest the food and feel the rest of the G feeling.

00:30 [T+3:55] It feels a tiny bit like I am on a meth comedown, but without the body stimulation, and the mind isn't the same mechanical and habit based structure like on meth or it's comedowns. To tell the truth I would rather be on a meth comedown as this is still pretty subtle at most.

I ring a friend to see what he is doing. We talk shit for a while, he tells me his net is still down so I tell him to retype his password in. He told me there would be no use as he hasn't touched the password in his router configuration or any settings at all. I tell him to try it in a very "knowing" way. He does so and it connects instantly.

00:45 [T+4:10] It feels like sleep won't be all that easy so I opt to masturbate for a while to help with sleep. This would not be a sex drug. Too much up and down and when erect it isn't as strong as like on G alone or even on a meth comedown. More like the kind of hard on I can get after a few MDMA pills, ie. not the greatest.

01:20 [T+4:45] After a lot of up and down I cum and its not near as intense ejaculation wise or feeling wise as meth, but I think the G made it feel better than it would of, and it was better than a sober orgasm. I thought maybe because viagra is a piperazine this drug could help achieve a better erection, but then I remember BZP which I had no hope of getting it up on (or after) at all.

Wish I had more G so I could blow out (G-Sleep) as I am over this drug, and over being awake. Not that it is doing anything it's just keeping my mind a bit awake, but my body doesn't feel stimulated besides my jaw slightly. Still a bit hot but no where near as bad as before. I never got those cold rushes people talk about.

01:30 [T+4:55] It feels like sleep still won't be all that easy so I go and play some classic Unreal Tournament online for about an hour then go to bed.

02:45 [T+6:10] Well sleep is harder than I thought, but no rapid closed eye movies like when trying to sleep on meth, and no eye tension from trying to keep your eyes shut, just semi-awake boredom.


Had some pretty weird dreams through the night. A repeated dream I get at times of being driven on a bus down some really winded, very narrow, bumpy hill-side road and other cool scenery, to some pool caves where everyone goes after it has rained for a few days.

Then as usual a friend from my past talks to me as a ghost. Telling me how by killing himself he is stuck in limbo and cannot progress and can only live in this area (he jumped off a cliff similar to the one in my dream), and needed my help to get him back into the real world. After finding a fool-proof plan to get him back alive, he decides in the end it is better for him to stay in limbo as he would disappoint himself, family and friends or something like that. And has his own solo life now in limbo. Very odd dream, it is like my friend really is communicating with me. Dreams can be so intense and delusional, even more so than a psychedelic trip.

I woke up some time around midday feeling pretty normal Not down at all but my forehead still feels hotter than it should be.

I have tried mCPP once before this experiment, at 65mg with a 25mg booster about an hour and a half into it. I had similar side effects as below, especially nausea and didn't really enjoy it, but I thought if I made a push myself in a positive direction I could enjoy the experience. I felt a sedated effect about 2 hours later, where if I smiled I could trick myself into thinking "this is okay" for a few seconds, but beside that I didn't enjoy it.

I'm not going to bother trying this drug again. It is a waste of time and has no decent effects for me at all. It is not in any way, shape or form MDMA like. It is more like some dirty, uneventful stimulant with no positive or motivational push with no actual physical stimulant properties besides the side effects. I'll be giving away the rest to a friend who can maybe get something positive from it.
 
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Nice report, very detailed. Is mCPP in any of those "herbal ecstasy" tablets or is that BZP? Has anyone has positive experiences on mCPP? It doesn't sound like my kind of entertainment...
 
It hasn't found its way into any "herbal" ecstasy pills (ie. party pills) as a quater of people who try it get no real effects besides neausea and other side effects. Although I'm sure it will at low doses mixed with BZP or something sometime in the future. Then people will mix those with MDMA, which will cause lots of hospitalisations. The bad white sharks around europe and UK contained mCPP and it scared a lot of people away from pressed pills and caused all sorts of trouble. mCPP also found it's way in another street pill, called rainbows.. a multicoloured weird looking pill, that also either caused a death, or some serious hospitalisations from mixing or taking multiple pills.
 
Nice trip report Splatt.

I've found it to be a terribly variable substance, it seems too hit and miss with people. Some kids dig it, some don't at all.

Doooofus, there are some pills being sold now under the name of Kiwi Sunrise that contain a blend of mCPP and MeOPP.
I think they are the only ones on the market though, only seen them at wh.
 
Sounds just like 3/4 of my mCpp experiences. It's very boring and the feeling of wanting to be sober was also true for me. Infact I did jump up and click my heels once I had came down, then began to drink.

I had one good experience with it. I was alone, in my bed, listening to music, squirming about in pleasure. I found there was a good synergy with solvents. I only did it the 4th time because I had a feeling of 'I want to beat this drug and get a good experience out of it'.

The different effects may have been dose dependent. I took the mCpp via the dodgy sharks(I knew they were mCpp and wanted to try it). I don't know if there were any other active ingredients in the sharks or if the mCpp content was consistent though.
 
I've tried it over the weekend. The effects were minimal at best - so much so that I figured either the powder I had wasn't 100% pure, or I had under-dosed. I took approx 100mg, which from what I've read should be a good dose. I got a minor high and sense of energy, was up till about 4am then able to sleep easily (much more easily than on BZP), felt like I was on a drug, but not a very good one. Was enjoying chatting to people, but slightly paranoid about what they were thinking of me - that I might be saying things that were completely stupid. Girls looked incredibly attractive, but I didn't have the MDMA urge to run up to them and tell them so. All in all, it was an OK but very very mild high - like being slightly buzzed from alcohol really.

Sigh, I had high(ish) hopes of this stuff.
 
sim0n, if it was the Sunrise mCPP it is about 98-99% pure, maybe you have a higher tolerance than others?
You did'nt mistake MeOPP with mCPP perhaps?
 
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OK, thanks :) The latter is possible, though unlikely I think. I do have both mCPP and MeOPP powder, so it's possible I took the wrong one.
 
I still think the drug is pretty decent if you don't have anything better to do or take.

It is completely true though that the effects are highly variable from person to person. I've watched some people take it for the first time and have a fantastic experience. I've also seen people have a terrible time. I think the drug would be fantastic in a rave setting, or something with lots of distractions and things to do. The effects aren't such that you can simply take the drug and expect to be amused in any situation. I've found that the chances of you having a good time are highly dependant on your setting.

I've found that mCPP and meOPP are far better in combination with each other than by themselves. meOPP adds more of a stoning, drunk feeling to the mCPP, which has more of the psychedelic, euphoric effect of the two. Combined, it's a mild ecstasy imitation, a lot like MDA actually but not quite as good. Again, I'm just speaking from my personal experience, which seems to differ from the majority. ;)
 
I don't think it would be any where near as good as a good dose of MDA. MDA has a very special feel to it, more so than MDMA in some ways.
 
MDA is my fave

I wonder what mixing mcpp, meopp and pfpp would be like?
 
Splatt said:
I don't think it would be any where near as good as a good dose of MDA. MDA has a very special feel to it, more so than MDMA in some ways.

Oh yeah, I agree, it's nowhere as good, I just meant that it's a lot like it in many respects. At least for me. I swear, here we are again with the vast difference in subjective effects. Everyone seems to react differently to this stuff. :)
 
Indeed, good report.

Subjective effects of this substance are so immensely different from person to person, it is hard to say how you will react to it if you have no tried it yet. Even with the anxiety it gave me afterwards, there still was something very peaceful about the whole experience. I was able to just zone out and listen to music without thinking about anything...just sort of merge with it, like I can on a low-dose of ketamine or DXM...so almost a disocciative aspect to it.

One of my mates tried it on the tale end of an MDMA session and had the most intense visuals and trip he has ever had, and he has a lot of experience with many psychedelics. He said the visuals blew 2C-T-7 out of the water. Another friend of mine tried it while rolling and he said he was getting insane visuals as well, so perhaps this substance is good for combining with other things although I would highly suggest against it without proper knowledge of what you are doing.

I doubt I'll ever try it again as much I want to. I might try it with another substance later on, once we know more about it...I just don't want to be the space monkey with mCPP anymore.

Note: mCPP gives me anxiety through parts of it but less than MDA. I don't enjoy MDA UNLESS I take it while I'm on MDMA already or have something sedating my mind, else I get extremely anxious/light-headed on it.
 
I actually found it simular to a very low dose of DXM now that I think of it.
 
meopp around 200 to 300mg mixed with some bzp and pfpp generally does it for me.
I havent had mcpp since new years. I dont mind mcpp its good especially mixed with meopp but I find pfpp a lot less nuasious (or however that is spelt)
 
I gave some to a mate and he said it was pretty similar to E but more anxiety. He thinks that because he is more prone to anxiety he couldn't enjoy it as much as someone else who has little or no anxiety issues.
For a while he was also getting LSD-like visuals, but also reported the cold feeling.
 
I'm the friend, Ill give a quick report.

On comeup felt ill and tried eating some pasta to offset it, didn't really help and I vomited about 20mins later, felt better afterwards, another 20mins later vommited again.

Once all the vommiting was over I felt quite disorientated and well 'high'.

It wasn't really a good high, felt kind of overwhelmed. Then the anxiety started, a burning sensation all over my body and chest similar to when I get bursts of anxiety on MDMA only it didn't go away.

Got lots of rushes and generally felt very cold for the duration of the peak. Got some visuals, colours really bright and bleeding into each other. Eyes were shaking like on mdma only my vision would distort and get mild hallucinations like the room would spiral and turn into just one white dot. Admittedly I was in a dark room with a movie on though.

Didn't have as much empathy as mdma, the anxiety came in waves similar to the way the euphoria comes in rushes like on mdma. I think this was more my head then the drug, if it was someone else Id expect it to be very similar to mdma.

Pupils were huge for the entire duration. Once the drug started to wear off I started to feel good, mild but I definitely had some euphoria and felt quite chatty. Peak lasted probably 2 hours with after effects for another 2 hours. Eyes were still big the next day (15 hours later)

Overall I wouldn't do it again due to the anxiety however I don't plan on doing any drugs like these any more as I am scared it will fuck me up due to how prone I am to severe anxiety on them.

Oh it was 85mg as well and done on a completely empty stomach. I weigh about 85kg.
 
Thanks for the report...

This brings about a good point.

If you get anxiety from this during the first session, I would heavily advise against taking it again. I decided to keep experimenting with it for a the duration of a few months and I had severe anxiety/panic episodes for months after stopping. Mainly it was utter terror and panic, that lasted for an hour or more and happened at the least, once a day. It has finally subsided although I do believe that mCPP opened up some sort of anxiety channel within me, as I've never had these problems before giving it a go, or perhaps it was just a catalyst to open up my anxiety that I was already predisposed to... whatever it is, mCPP and anxiety/panic fall hand in hand with some of us.... which would make it a very ugly substance to find in supposive ecstasy :X
 
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I've found the mCPP comedowns quite harsh - especially in comparison to the high. I've taken up to 150-180mg of mCPP (maybe up to 200mg), without getting very high (I was on my own, though). The comedown was nasty - I felt like a worthless, horrible person for a day or so and was convinced everyone must hate me. I felt paranoid for quite a while, and was very short-tempered, as well. All in all, not great.
 
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