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maybe its not a hallucination

^^^ most times i've seen you post, i've noticed how you were unable to understand other's reasoning (cf threads where we both have posted if you want an example)

so i strongly encourage you to reread to death a post until you understand it before assuming that it doesn't make sense and accusing others of you own incapacity

there's more chance that you don't understand a post than that it doesn't make sense

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Very interesting idea Mapleleaf.

I would like to add that god exists within us all. We in essence, are god, and we, like all animals and plants exist together on a higher plane of consciousness. Drugs are able to rid the psyche of the rigerous filtration system that has been forced upon us by others. It makes sense that when this filtration system is "off-line", we are able to see the big unified picture of existance. When you see god on psychedelics, you are not communicating with something other then you.. it is you, in a unified higher state..
 
Everything is a hallucination.

That's the point, hallucinating is the only way to experience something: placebo ergo sum. It is the only way to see or experience God as Be-In-God. We are all little eddies in God's current. As said before, spirituality is universal, transcends ego, and has great consciousness. We create our own vision of God inside of God as part of him. You cannot separate yourself from him. Religion tries to draw lines as an institution reliant on capitalist yum yum, spirituality without religion is the true path. All religion hinders the finding of truth, which I believe to be the point of life. Benevolent truthful experience.

Divine Fury: Renegade Guru - http://www.drsvoboda.com/divinefury.htm
 
droptech said:
I dont really think hallucinogens make you see stuff like that.
They mainly make you see stuff swirl around or move or melt.
And you analyze everything like crazy.
Its just all in your head.

I think stuff like ketamine, pcp, and dxm are better for seeing stuff thats not normally there.

Analyze? Maybe that's your problem. Try just experiencing next time, instead of having to group everything and relate it to past experiences.

It's called ego disillusion. I think you'll like it. ;)
 
dismantled_psyche said:
god most likely is not abeing to converse with,
Huh?

dismantled_psyche said:
and taking drugs would not make him want to talk to you,
And exactly where did God say that you should not take drugs?

It sounds to me more that you are saying that:

if current culture does not want you to use drugs

THEN

God does not want you to use drugs

THEREFORE:

current culture = GOD


Sorry, but your logic is twisted. 8)


dismantled_psyche said:
there is no reasoning behind your post. sorry
Funny, that was exactly the same thing that came to mind when I read your post. :D
 
You should check out 2 books from Carlos Castaneda: The Teachings of Don Juan and A Seperate Reality: Further Conversations with Don Juan. I think these will give you alot of info and insight into this belief, as they did for me.
 
droptech said:
^^
Not saying that God is against or for drugs, but that was a stupid thing to say.

That's like saying, "Well god created guns, so hes clearly not against murder."


Not really. Guns are a technological creation, down to us. Drugs are a natural phenomina and we also seem to have the biological makeup needed for psychedelic experiences, both of which isnt really down to our technological invention. Anyway, just picking on the concept that God filled our reality with landmines and everything on the other side of some socially derived line is evil.

Though I do believe in the idea that you can expand your awarness to include various things, but I think your better off doing it without drugs.
 
I am god. I create my own reality. If I think guns are good, they are good. If I think they are bad, they are bad. If I think that through drugs I can realise that I'm part of one God, I can. If I think I can't, I can't. I created myself and yourself, for the purpose of experiencing the vast possibilities of life. Right and wrong is only an illusion created through feeling of separation. We're all one god, experiencing itself.

Same goes, for you, and everyone else in existence.

Peace.
 
your point of view really interests me because i have a very similar belief. I have schizophrenia, so i constantly experience hallucinations--hearing voices, seeing things, feeling things. I have come to the belief that i am seeing into other demensions. I don't believe i am "ill" or "crazy" i just have the ability to expereince more possibilities than the average fo. and other people's minds are closed to the idea that this could all be real. it's like, people think if something hasn';t been scientifically proven or isn;t written in the bible (no offense) than it's not possible--as if we humans know everying ??!

Of coarse, people would just call this part of my delusions, but i disagree. I believe that all the ideas i get about the government following me, scanning my brain, and trying to turn me into a robot, are warning sent to me from other demensions. the voices and visions and such are me seeing into other demensions. It's all real. Most of the people in this world are oblivious and have pretty damn tight minds.

-rebecca
 
^^ i like you way of looking at schizophrenia :)

i mean it's obvious that the majority of people look at this symptom from a negative perspective, and those who have this symptom most likely view this as something totally negative.

so seeing that your post indicated that you look at your symptom of schizophrenia from a positive perspective, are there times when fear enters and things get negative? does this effect your social life/working life?
 
I would have to say I disagree. You can interpret a god while youre tripping just as you can interpret a stereo turning into a storm trooper, while its true to you, it doesnt remain true to anything else.
 
hmmm. Stereo turning into a storm trooper ? What drugs are you taking ? If I saw that, first thing that would occur to me, is that I'm totaly fucking deluded.

It's a bit different to realization that all the separation between yourself and everything else is a result of our constant need to rationalize separate and segregate things.

Love & Light ;)
 
Void said:
Not really. Guns are a technological creation, down to us. Drugs are a natural phenomina and we also seem to have the biological makeup needed for psychedelic experiences, both of which isnt really down to our technological invention.

how about natural poisons?
 
tokeitUP420 said:
^^
so you're saying LSD doesnt make you see stuff thats not normally there?
[in response to slaughter house five saying that everything is a hallucination

no hes not. hes saying that your perception while sober may be just as subjective as your perception while on LSD
 
Sorry, I'd have to say that drugs are just a poison that you react to, some are simply plesent reactions.
 
Psychedelics_r_best said:
I would have to say I disagree. You can interpret a god while youre tripping just as you can interpret a stereo turning into a storm trooper, while its true to you, it doesnt remain true to anything else.

Your assumption is that psychedelics destroy reason, where (unless maybe you lose your ego, but then without reasoning you wouldnt have much interpretation of anything would you?)

in my opinion it simply changes your reasoning, and opens your reasoning to possibilities you usually would not even consider (even simple things--when your mind is changed you realise a lot of simple things you might have overlooked in your previous mindstate; and you easily recognize that the beliefs at the very base of your entire belief system are so subjective)

with a deficient short-term memory and a more "loose" reasoning system, errors increase in reasoning on psychedelics, but uncertainty also increases so, at least in my experience, i am as "objective" as when i am sober--more errors but more recognition of where i may make errors

i've gone off topic though. the argument seems to be about beliefs acquired on psychedelics where the user has high certainty in the new beliefs (ie, i KNOW ive seen god, which is simply ridiculous--you CANNOT know whether perceptions are of your brain or rely on outside information)
 
Kul69 said:
Sorry, I'd have to say that drugs are just a poison that you react to, some are simply plesent reactions.

a poison is something that hurts you
many drugs don't hurt you
 
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