Hammilton
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I had thought that this wasn't actually a fruitful way to go, but after I accidentally came up with the deschloro analogue of Tonquil, I decided it might be worth posting.
I had the idea of 'designing' molecules that would putatively be stimulants based upon their ability to match the pharmacophore of cocaine / dimethocaine in 3D. I placed highest importance on the ability of the amines and the phenyls (or equivalent ring) to match, followed by the carboxyl oxygen and then the rest of the chain linking the phenyl and amine.
I only considered the amines. I have done more extensive comparison with adamantane rings replacing tropane (makes sense, now that I know nitrogen free analogues are active). I also compared Bromantane (sp?) to Cocaine and found that it matched up very well too- the space filling adamantane group filling the same place the tropane group does, and the phenyls closely aligned. Not the best alignment, though. I expanded on that theme quite a bit, and many fit very well. Assuming that the adamantane structure is able to fill the same space tropane does with cocaine.
Here's an image of the structures I've spent the most time thinking over. None look obviously toxic. IIRC,
Here it is:

I don't know that any of these have been tried, I removed Clofenciclan from the drawing because it's obviously known (Unscheduled, though).
Only the three marked here are of any real interest AFAICT.
On Bluelight or Blacklight I have seen someone mention doing this same sort of thing with phenethylamines. The best I've been able to come up with that can't have the AMP skeleton the way all of the cathinones, pyrovalerones, 2-phenylmorpholines. So far the best not-PEA amphetamine analogue is 1-(1-aminocyclohexyl)-2-phenylethanone. It's not bad. It might be worth trying. I suspect it's different enough that any PCP like effects.
Any suggestions on usefulness of this as a method would be useful.
I had the idea of 'designing' molecules that would putatively be stimulants based upon their ability to match the pharmacophore of cocaine / dimethocaine in 3D. I placed highest importance on the ability of the amines and the phenyls (or equivalent ring) to match, followed by the carboxyl oxygen and then the rest of the chain linking the phenyl and amine.
I only considered the amines. I have done more extensive comparison with adamantane rings replacing tropane (makes sense, now that I know nitrogen free analogues are active). I also compared Bromantane (sp?) to Cocaine and found that it matched up very well too- the space filling adamantane group filling the same place the tropane group does, and the phenyls closely aligned. Not the best alignment, though. I expanded on that theme quite a bit, and many fit very well. Assuming that the adamantane structure is able to fill the same space tropane does with cocaine.
Here's an image of the structures I've spent the most time thinking over. None look obviously toxic. IIRC,
Here it is:

I don't know that any of these have been tried, I removed Clofenciclan from the drawing because it's obviously known (Unscheduled, though).
Only the three marked here are of any real interest AFAICT.
On Bluelight or Blacklight I have seen someone mention doing this same sort of thing with phenethylamines. The best I've been able to come up with that can't have the AMP skeleton the way all of the cathinones, pyrovalerones, 2-phenylmorpholines. So far the best not-PEA amphetamine analogue is 1-(1-aminocyclohexyl)-2-phenylethanone. It's not bad. It might be worth trying. I suspect it's different enough that any PCP like effects.
Any suggestions on usefulness of this as a method would be useful.
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