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Massive ICE Bust in Sydney -

Well I suppose something had to give...

There seems to have been a large amount of 'ice' (4-MAR) floating around recently (at least amongst people I know). I had never seen it in australia before about 3 months ago and now there seems to be heaps around. In what might be seen as the ultimate of ironies, I even saw one guy passing it off as crystal meth.

Hmmm.... oh well...
 
josh_nexus said:
Well I suppose something had to give...

There seems to have been a large amount of 'ice' (4-MAR) floating around recently (at least amongst people I know). I had never seen it in australia before about 3 months ago and now there seems to be heaps around. In what might be seen as the ultimate of ironies, I even saw one guy passing it off as crystal meth.

Hmmm.... oh well...

Just cuirous, how do you know its 4-MAR? Was it tested? And if so, what were the reactions to what testers?
 
the term 'ice' is taken and talked bout in so many diff ways

Starfalls69: exactly!

which is why street terms for drugs are often misleading and do little to shed much light on the situation.
ICE after all is used because it reflects the APPEARANCE of the substance in question.

So its liable to be used for ANY substance which has such an apperance - and as our friend in Thailand discovered possibly something different again.

Stevelektro: i agree; This thread is meant to be about the enormous bust of 223kg of crystal methamphetamine, nothing more nothing less - and yes the quality shown on the news was incredible; and this was unquestionably genuine footage. The cops pouring it out slowly over an A4 sheet of paper as it fell down like "crushed ice" was a gloat on their part, and an effective one at that.


Please see the Ice/meth identifying characteristics thread for test result information.
 
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Wazza; Yeah I tested; EZ test 1 No change (slight light brown/orange colour after some time). I will test with both Simons and Robodope and get back to you. Crystal shape is hexagonal prism with a semi translucent white colour (as opposed to the glass shard like crystals of meth that I have seen). Effects are very clear powerful awakeness with an almost MDMA like euphoria with an extreemly long duration. The melting point of 4-MAR also seems to be lower than meth(but like the effects that observation is very subjective). The dose is also significantly smaller than with crystal meth (a point of the 4-MAR that has been around recently had 4 of my friends buzzing).

The most obvious difference between the effects of meth and ice are, IMO, the durations of their effects. I have never encountered a drug, other than datura (which, with my own stupidity to blame, I have had the unpleasent experience of on two occations), which can match the duration of 4-MAR. Three decent puffs (smoked from a glass pipe) of it will keep me awake for 48 hours at least (the actual effects are probably gone after about 20hours but the wakeness stays for much longer).

All of that said I am still only assuming that what I am getting is 4-MAR and I would imagion that short of subjecting it to the rather labour intensive of gas cromotography there is little else I could do to be sure.

:)
 
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crystal meth dont necassarily come from asia. You'd be surprised where else makes it as well. and good quality.
 
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Just heard on the radio another 90kg was seized last night. Missed most of the details & can't find a link to the article.
 
Sydkwi: i agree with that.

But in this case it did; as did the previous largest haul in Australia's history.

Of course there is some made here; just like there is some MDMA made here; but when we r talking >100kg, just like 300,000 pills, on the balance of probabilities, we arent talking made in Australia.


And all the evidence and police reports back that up.
 
i,ve have read prev reports regarding the meth /ice saga
all i can say that i've tested all product that has come my way in the last 12 months and not once whether vsold to me as ice or wizz has it changed color with e1 the only reaction has been fizzing.
 
New ice seizure worth $45m


Police in Sydney have made their third major seizure in two weeks of an emerging new menace, the party drug ice.

The Joint Asian Crime Group (JACG) raided a house in Sydney's Cremorne on Sunday and found 90kg of crystallised methamphetamine worth an estimated $45 million.

It was the third multi-million dollar haul of the drug uncovered by authorities in recent days, with Sydney seizures of ice now totalling 418kg since May 5.

Police said the latest batch of ice may have been smuggled into the country in March, hidden in industrial machinery air-freighted from Hong Kong.

Three men and one woman appeared briefly in Sydney Central Local Court charged over the haul.





"The arrests and seizures yesterday are the result of an investigation which commenced back in 2002," Australian Federal Police (AFP) officer Rob Milner told reporters.

In separate raids, customs found 223kg of the drug in a container load of rice noodles at Port Botany on May 5, while the AFP seized 105kg of ice among boxes of brown sugar in a unit in Pyrmont in Sydney on Friday night.

Police said the hauls did not appear to be related but the possibility was being investigated.

"We know that it's (ice) is an increasing drug scene in South East Asia," NSW Police state crime command Detective Inspector John Lehman told reporters.

"We see it as an emerging market in this country, which the drug traffickers have identified and therefore have started to make these large types of importation."

Insp Lehman said the drug was popular among younger people in the rave and dance scene.

Authorities have warned the drug is extremely dangerous and highly addictive, providing short-term feelings of energy, power and assertiveness followed by significant depression and periods of fatigue.

Long-term use can lead to psychosis, they say.

Appearing in court today were Chinese-born Chen Hai Liu, 35, and Yiu Leung Chung, 32, Hong Kong-born Chung Yung Lam, 44, and Japanese-born waitress Chieko Arai, 37.

Each was charged with supplying a prohibited drug of a commercial quantity and possessing a prohibited import of a trafficable quantity of the drug.

Liu was also charged with assaulting a person with intent to resist or prevent apprehension.

None of the four applied for bail.

Liu, Chung and Lam will reappear in Central Local Court on June 11, while Arai is scheduled to reappear on July 16.

©AAP 2003


source: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/National/story_48580.asp

Hope that's what you were looking for, SeveredPsyche ;)

Urbanhog %)
 
Aye, that's the one Urbanhog. Thanks. I had a look at the ABC, The Age and The Australian web sites at the time but couldn't find any more info.

I have mixed feelings about this. I love the stuff, but also have problems if it's too readily available. However, it probably shouldn't be illegal in which case people should be more educated on its usage. Bleh. It has all been said before.
 
KKKHoled: How old is your tester. If its been left out in heat even for a fairly short while or is old, it will decompose. It will still fix but produce no colour change.

I know a 40 year old junky who has been into gear most of his life and that over all those years has only ever come across "gear" of various strengths ie. shit gear, good gear, but the same type of feeling all the same. This ranges from gear in early nineties, to all different rock going around now....i mean for fuck sakes, just watch the TV for fucks sakes...just the other day there was a program on SBS about meth being a hardcore problem in tailand which comes from burma. And how it is consistently imported here....and so fourth and so on...

Geez...its all meth...

I must note one thing here...i've tested a few of the gluggy speed types in the past that hardly even fized and didn't produce any colour change. The speed was fairly potent about 15% - 20% but gakked up to shit with adulterants that wouldn't even let it react with the reagent properly.
 
Yep; ONE BILLLION methamphetamine pills go into Thailand from Burma each year.
Get your head around that figure; when we see 100,000 pill lots on the news we think thats quite large - well 10,000 TIMES that much in a calendar year - its utterly crazy.

And thats just the shitty "yaba" produced meth; probably of quality only reserved for these cheap dirty pills.
But of course from the same region we are also seeing this much better, much more potent and much more dangerous crystallised methamphetamine coming down here - why; probably because in Australia we will pay top dollar for it; whereas most poorer Thais may only opt for the cheap "yaba" meth pills. (a dollar or two each i think)

Burma is essentially like Colombia, but for methamphetamine especially and heroin instead of cocaine.
Violent milita groups, aided by a corrupt government, mass produces these type of drugs on a scale we here in Australia simply cannot fathom.

Australia's political climate, even with its wide open spaces, just wouldnt allow similar groups to get away with producing these illicit chemicals on this sort of scale. Thus its just so much easier to import it and chances are its the mules who will go down if someone is to go down at all.

KKKhold: i agree with Runner - u have said that for every sample of speed-like substance u have tested in 12months, whether called "whizz" or "ice" it has not reacted with E1.
That means you have never had either methamphetamine OR amphetamine once - thats just not possible unless u were constantly getting duped and bought glucose or the like.

Its all very well to claim 4-MAR on occasion, but to impliedly state that every single time you have bought speed regardless of its appearance or name, it was something other than an amphetamine is simply impossible.
I'd be betting a poor tester.
 
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Biscuit: funny you say that about KKKHoled buying glucose - could have not even been THAT good :) glucose reacts to orange brown with marquise :) maybe flour? ;)
 
KKKHoled: How old is your tester. If its been left out in heat even for a fairly short while or is old, it will decompose. It will still fix but produce no colour change.

tester is now 12 months old and has been stored in the freezer
l used a asprin to check validity of tester 2 weeks ago got a reaction to solmon light red fairly slow

Its all very well to claim 4-MAR on occasion, but to impliedly state that every single time you have bought speed regardless of its appearance or name, it was something other than an amphetamine is simply impossible.

i didn't claim that it is 4mar all l'm claiming is that l don't get a color change with e1 and i'm sure i have a valid tester please correct me if i'm wrong

i followed the my nanna cant tell meth thread with great interest . so basically i'm confused as to why no color change. has anyone else testing had similar results
 
My marquise stopped working after about 4-5 months. It was not stored with any specific precautions. Just sat on my table. It wouldn't have however experienced any significant temperature changes.
 
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