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Massive Heroin Binge to Suboxone... Info and Support Wanted!

DyinISuss

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Hi everybody, I've read Bluelight for years and just never bothered to open an account. This is a massive post to go with my "massive" habit lol, so, THERE IS A TL;DR at the bottomI've already UTFSE many times, any I am reaching out for some human contact as much as anything here... I am alone, my girlfriend is half-way around the world and has been for almost 2 weeks, and doesn't know the hole I've dug myself in the past two weeks is deeper than the the ones she's seen me in when she tried to help me get on Suboxone after being on dope before... Ironically, I probably used so much partially because she was gone, I missed her and was bored, she's the light of my life but isn't a drug user, just a really cool chick who sees that the only real problems my use poses is due to the stupid f****** laws, i.e. the money issue and the legality issue.

So, I'm 29, been on and off since teens, and have probably been on the worst 2 week binge of my life (or the best, depending on how you look at it, if I could have a soft landing, which doesn't seem like it is in the cards now). I curse the Gods on this one: any user could get out of jail free, if they just had a bunch of liquid hydrocodone (or other moderately strong opioid) to wean down then take a couple of doses of Suboxone, and, bada bing bada boom, you're cured! I thought I would have another week to get my use down closer to 0.5 grams, but it's just not going to happen that way. I'm not selling my stuff, I'll go to the hospital before I do that.I mainly just want to reach out to others and get some support while I'm alone and about to be very sick, and would especially like to hear from someone who has had a dependence that is in the 2-2.5 grams IV per day of East Coast Powder aka China White.

SO -- I have been on and off IV heroin (East Coast powder), mostly on, for the past 3 months, prior to this most recent 3 months I was on low-dose Suboxone mixed with heroin for several years, often on just 0.5 mg suboxone snorted with weekend use of dope, but with the occasional binge on Opana or dope mixed in on top of the bupe which I took daily. It was 3 months ago that I dropped the buprenorphine completely. For about 2.5 years, the only time that I did not take buprenorphine at a low dose for more than 24 hours was when I tapered off of it for a brief 2 week break 1.5 years ago. I caved in and used despite the fact that i felt perfectly fine, no real PAWS, just my usual semi-depression. Again, I kick myself for not staying off the buprenorphine and not just keeping my heroin use to weekends. I actually "relapsed" (on purpose lol) on the buprenorphine, I used to really enjoy dosing buprenorphine...

Anyways, I had my tolerance down very low only a three weeks ago. I could go 48 hours without a dose of heroin before I needed another. (I would go 24-48 hours, then inject 1 gram, a big strong dose that would give a massive rush and have me nodding, then not dose again until 24-48 hours had elapsed.) Then, I began to dose Suboxone since I wanted to stop heroin, but despite being able to tough it out for 48 hours (and it got the point where it wasn't that tough) I could not fully give up opiates.

BTW -- this is not shitty dope. The fact that I could IV 1 gram after a period of 48 off-use-48 off-use without OD'ing is not a function of the dope being shitty. I know this because of the doses that get beginners ripped around here are 0.1 grams snorted or 0.05 grams IV. Plus, a shot of 0.6 grams kept me rushing even at the end of this binge, and 0.8 had me nodding sometimes a little sometimes more than a little.

Two weeks ago, I got an easy connection and had money, and I stopped Suboxone and began a terrible binge. I began injecting multiple times a day, sometimes 3 or 4 or even 5 times, and using -- for every day of that two weeks -- AT LEAST 1.5 grams and usually 2 or 2.5 grams of very good East Coast powder. I was shooting .6 to 1 gram in a shot. This is also the first time I've been "addicted to the needle" in a long time. I find myself thinking of the smells associated with the needles themselves. I thought my veins were spent years ago on black tar and cocaine, so I didn't really use the needle until the past few months. Now, I realize that I have lots of veins left even though I burnt the traditional ones. You can imagine that this happy information has led me down the road to hell. At least when I was hooked on speed balls, the cocaine sucked up so much money that my dope habi was small, and I left it behind thinking that it really was not possible to continue due to my veins, unless I started hitting the neck or my groin.

Now, I just shot my last .8 grams when I got out of bed at around 12:30 PM. I already felt crappy because I used less yesterday, having shot 1.3 grams early yesterday (Friday) morning and then another .3 grams in the evening! I went from a .8 gram shot holding me COMPLETELY for 24-48 hours to getting sick that quickly, and I am really pissed at myself for going overboard. It's juts that I got a rush every time, it was just too good to "say no" too, and I thought I would have money to afford dope to taper down at the end then move to buprenorphine. So, it's not that I couldn't say no, it's that I had no reason to do so. I had easy access, money, and every reason to expect that I'd have time to reduce my dosage before I switched to Suboxone. I thought I would have more money. I planned spend this coming work week cutting down and only doing .7 to 1 gram of dope per day, which would make switching to Suboxone easier next weekend.

Well -- no such luck. The money just isn't there.

So, as of now, I am waiting 24 hours, and then going to try to start Suboxone. I have done this 3 times before, but during all those transitions, I had been taking MUCH lower doses of heroin to start with.

Despite having several years of using Suboxone and heroin, I do not have a ton of experience switching from one to the other -- I almost always used my Suboxone every single day, albeit at low doses, and was still able to get a very satisfying rush and high from the heroin and Opana. Therefore, I didn't have to undergo the 24 hour wait. In fact, I almost never got genuinely sick -- instead, because I took the buprenorphine every day, if I used heroin or Opana daily for a week or a month, when I stopped using those, I just doubled my buprenorphine and just felt something akin to PAWS rather than any kind of acute withdrawal -- i.e., I'd be depressed and just bummed out and SLEEPY (ha! I had to deal with the terrible torments of SLEEP! lol).

So, I don't know what to expect since this is the first time I had such a huge habit and I am just f***** scared crapless as i have not had this bad of a habit -- albeit for only the past 2-3 weeks has it been this huge, I am told that's all it takes to basically max out your level of dependence -- and I would love to hear from someone out there who has made the transition to Suboxone after this level of dependence.

I would likely be considered to be in good health after a quick physical, but I get very strange symptoms during withdrawal, even from a habit that is nowhere near my 2 grams IV. I get these atypical symptoms around the 48 hour mark even during the chaotic "1 dose per 24-48 hour habit" I had not long ago, most bothersome is that my WRITSTS/HANDS go numb (this is the scariest thing), and my blood pressure goes quite low compared to my normal semi-high blood pressure and I get VERY dizzy upon standing, which makes taking clonidine an exercise in tempting the reaper. And I fear the reaper. I'm afraid that when the dizziness kicks in, and the numb wrists, I'm just going flip out and lose my shit. (I also used to suffer from panic attacks, and occasionally still do, and religiously and properly take clonazepam for this, but the dope sickness, when it's severe, truly scares me... I never used to get the dizziness when I was younger, nor did I get the numb extremities.)

If I get these scary symptoms... I just don't know.

And, every time I switch to Suboxone, even when I've waited 48 hours(!), I get these weird symptoms upon starting the Suboxone -- starting about 10-20 minutes after putting it under my tongue and ending after a few minutes, maybe 10 at the very most, that made me fear that i was getting precipitated withdrawals, and therefore result in precipitated panic (lol). I attribute them to the naloxone, despite the fact that I spit out my saliva during the first day of suboxone use, as it is possible that the naloxone takes effect before the buprenorphine does -- thus the onset of the symptoms would be the naloxone, and the end of those symptoms (feeling of painful heat on skin, anxiety and heart beat increasing) could be due to the buprenorphine finally kicking in just after the low dose of naloxone. But, it's quite possible that it's MOSTLY my own anxieties, or simply the effect of the buprenorphine itself somehow doing more harm than good initially.

But, I have always had my girlfriend for me when I tried to switch to Suboxone this year,something I never had experience with before since my use of Suboxone began about 3 years ago when I was NOT addicted to other opioids. Anyhow, no one hear to hold my hand, or thrust a nipple into my mouth and jerk me off in 10 seconds flat when I feel like I am about to go into precipitated withdrawals.

I know all the guidelines for starting buprenorphine. I know the time to wait. I know the COWS chart. (BTW, going by the COWS chart is horse shit for the record -- given two people on the same drug, conventional opioids like heroin or oxycodone that do not have wildly different pharmacokinetics -- the COWS chart guidelines for buprenorphine initiation would have someone with a more severe physical dependence taking the drug sooner after their last usage, since they would get more severely sick at a given point in time!!! I have never heard anyone make this point and think it is obvious and important!

In any case, I have dosed dupe 24 hours after a moderate final dosage and had some help from the buprenoprhine. I plan on taking 0.5 mgs at the 24 hour mark. As I said, I "only" did 0.8 grams IV at about 12-1 PM EST, so I'm going to just go ahead and bite the bullet and try taking that 0.5 mg dupe at 12:30 EST tomorrow. But, because of the size of my recent habit I don't know a what's going to happen in the 24 hours before i take the bupe b what's going to happen when I take the bupe. I am VERY, VERY afraid I am going to call the paramedics and beg them to give me a large dosage of Fentanyl to end the precipitated withdrawal (I have heard that Fentanyl, unlike heroin, oxy, and even Narcan, actually binds to the receptors more strongly than buprenorphine, I don't know if it's completely true.

I just wish I was in a hospital. I wish I was in a medical detox. I've never had that luxury. All my friends go to rehab every few years it seems. I don't envy the court ordered trips, but I think I might just like to throw in the towel on this one, and take myself to the hospital, or, better yet, call 911 and have them drive me away, service right at the door to take me to some restful peace. (Of course, I'd still prefer a full bank account, that would by me peace for another few weeks, and this time I'd make sure I tapered down to a bona fide measly 0.5 gram habit before I ran out of money.) How beautiful it would be. All the smells of the hospital. Lots of meds to make up for the lack of dope. A bunch of Lyrica -- I bet that would help. Lots of phenobarbital. And, instead of having to battle to get off the buprenorphine, I'd walk out of there truly clean! Truly detoxed! Who knows, they might even get me off the benzos. OMG WHAT A DREAM THAT SOUNDS LIKE RIGHT NOW! And to think, 1.5-2 years ago, I was 14 days off buprenorphine and I hadn't been on benzos for years, because my panic attacks were not quite severe enough to warrant them. Anyways, the only way I can get off work is if I'm actually in the hospital. Home sick won't cut it. And I don't want to be home sick. I want to be hospital sick lol. No one can argue with that. What kind of weirdo am I to dream of a medical detox? Well, that's the thing -- I don't want a detox with nothing but clonidine. But if they truly used their resources, gave Lyrica, maybe gave a single dose of buprenorphine timed and sized properly, they could detox you with almost no major problems, even from a habit of my size... particularly if they used lots of sedatives and that one dose of buprenorphine... I bet they could...

All the times I've quit dope, buprenorphine, methadone, Opana, etc. -- all those times with no help beyond maybe a prescription to a couple of meds which did nothing, except for Zofran. I never puke when sick (or high), so I didn't need it for that purpose. Zofran actually helps withdrawal through its actions on the brain somehow... And anti-histamines (e.g. diphenhydramine [Benadryl, Tylenol PM, Advil PM], hydroxyzine, phenergan, and all over the counter sleep aids other than tryptophan, melatonin, and Valerian] actually aggravate Restless Legs Syndrome MASSIVELY. Taking them is the only time I truly found myself "kicking" dope rather than just "fidgeting my feet and legs" dope lol. And clonidine is out of the question because I get LOW blood pressure when in withdrawal, not high blood pressure... Unfortunately, the Zofran is not available to me unless I head to urgent care, which I am loathe to do, as I do not think that the $300 fee to get some Zofran is worth it, and I doubt they will write for Seroquel and Ambien similar or anything which could make me sleep.

Anyway, now I've typed more than enough about myself, and I put a tl;dr down there, because I know this is too long, but can't help it, this is the way I write.

HELP and be my friend, especially you fiends who have made the switch with similar habits!


tl;dr

I have been on opioids for years, heroin almost exclusively for 3-4 months, and 2-2.5 grams of heroin IV every single day for the past 2 weeks. I was supposed to have money to get me through one more week on a lower dosage of heroin so as to facilitate an easier transition to Suboxone next weekend, but that will not be possible as the money is not there. Now, I have used my last dope as of 12-1 PM EST today (Saturday) and am facing taking a first dose of Suboxone coming off this 2 gram habit tomorrow.

I feel my habit is very large, and may cause me far more trouble than usual when switching to Suboxone. I have panic attacks whenever I switch to suboxone, for one thing, and precipitated withdrawal will almost certainly result in a call to 911. I only managed to not call 911 on at least one occasion when initiating Suboxone -- coming from a much smaller habit -- because I had my girlfriend there, and she is in another country now.

If anyone out there has been on a habit as large as my recent one -- 2-2.5 grams EVERY single day, never feeling ANY sickness which would lower dependence and tolerance, for 2 weeks or longer -- please let know what you experienced when switching to Suboxone.

If anyone out there just wants to talk about my situation, or lend some support or info, please do, especially if you know anything about coming off a habit of this size and switching to buprenorphine.
 
Well... I was really bummed no one replied... especially when some really dumb threads got lots of attention. ..

Anyways 3 days ago 25 painful hours... maybe 3 hrs of sleep after taking Zofran and klonopin 14 hours after my last hit. after last shot I took 1 mg bupe (suboxone) sublingual as a tester. Felt little. Took another 1 mg after 30 minutes. Felt a little better. Then 2 mg intranasal. Felt like I could leave the house. Stared up at the big sun nearing the horizon and eondered wtf I'm doing with my life.

That night (sunday) had trouble sleeping so I took .1 mg clonidine. Because of slarm clock only got 6 hours. But that night when I laid in bed I thanked god for the mercy.

Its now 72 hours since last hit and I am feeling hot flashes and sweats and very conflicted about my use.

Last night smoked buds and and felt perspective... like wtf was I thinking... not that getting high had been wrong... but that I simply let it get way out of control.

For the past 3 days I have dosed about the equivalent of 8 mg sublingual each morning, just once, and I have been better than I hoped, though undeniably in physical withdrawal ie tenperature issues and restless legs.

This is the longest I've been off dope in 4 months and I am starting to think about sticking with it.

Next step is to take my dose down to 2 mg of bupe per day which I plan to do ASAP and then proceed from there.

I have tapered off lowdose bupe and that doesn't prevent work etc, so I'm planning to do that once sleep normalizes.

Also clonidine while on bupe but still sleepless is a godsend. Zofran while in wiyhdrawal literally improved every single symptom and allowed sleep during the wait.

And this was from a 2 or 3 week 2 gram a day IV binge preceded by 3.5 months of dope and a year and a half of bupe and dope... so... NOT TOO BAD! Bupe is strong enough for most physical symptoms of even heavy IV users, although methadone is obviously the only way to keep your pupils pinned coming off big habits... mine are like saucers... used to get pinned on a .5 mg of bupe lol!
 
good luck to you man! good to hear that you didnt have too hard of time; however, you it is normal to feel like suboxone is NOT taking away all of the WD, but after a week of daily sub use, you should feel relatively good and "back to normal." i am a huge proponent of suboxone, it really has help me so much the past year or so, though i ended up getting into other non-opiate drugs because i wasnt completely done with getting high. i knew i didnt want to continue opiates, but i didnt think that injecting cocaine would be that bad for me LOL! at the start i was just smoking weed daily and having a couple drinks here and there when i was out with friends, then i got arrested for marijuana and i had to stop smoking buds. i then turned to injecting cocaine because it didnt take long to get out of my system, and that lead me down a more destructive path than opiates! like me, many people think suboxone will magically change everything, but in reality it is just a band-aide. i see alot of people get on suboxone and switch over to abusing meth and cocaine on suboxone, but in my case doing coke and meth kept me stuck in the same exact place i wanted to get out of using opiates. idk about you, but smoking weed and drinking alcohol were never my problems, but IV cocaine/meth was far from the right thing to do.

it will take alot alot alot of work to get completely out of the drug game. you need to be proactive in your recovery; whatever it may be (AA/NA, therapy, art, music, a good group of friends, loved ones, hobbies, sports, school, yoga, ect..) you need to find something to invest your time in that gives you some peace and happiness. one thing that is crucial is you have to stop hanging out with people that use heroin, they will always bring you down. also, dont go riding through the hoods because if you go to a barbershop you'll eventually get your hair cut.


today i got back on suboxone and this time things will be different for me. for one, im not going to IV suboxone every day, i will be hanging out with all sober people, going to AA/NA(depsite how much i despise AA and the 12steps lol), but most importantly i am going to start to become more physically active. weight lifting, yoga, soccer(which i never knew i was decent at), running, and biking are all things i plan to do in the near future. exercise really helps because it promotes optimal neuro-plasticity and higher levels of good-feeling neurotransmitters (endorphins, dopamine, ect..), helps you look better aesthetically which inturn boosts self-confidence and self-esteem, and things like sports are just plain fun!

good luck to you again, if you ever have any questions or need anything at all, feel free to shoot me a private message :)

-laC
 
Thanks man. Appreciate the kind and helpful words.

Yeah I used to ring the bell shooting coke too but only when I did dope in cali. That expense kept my heroin use modesr at least...

But yeah. Not healthy. Extremely compulsive. And with my all or damn near all type behavior patterns took it too far and ended paranoid and tweaked out. Luckily aninfection from a missed crystal meth shotput me out of the uppers phase.

And you are right about staying busy... it's just so hard when you are used to distilling all the joy I'm the world into half a cc of water and sending it straight into your bloodstream. I want to go do fun fantastic things, play sports.

fuck I wish I'd been a soldier. I could've had all the thrills I'm always looking for and died a hero, been do ne with the quaking mess that sober life feels like...

And I'm so shy... huge reason why I do or did heroin is that I feel like I bring more to the table in society as a user... I'm more funny and outgoing etc. And I know it's true. .. not just fantasy.

I need to find a way to be my hrroin self without heroin or I don't know how I can reconcile quitting intellectually. I'm more in pain so I feel like I projrct it. People can tell I'm sad.

I guess that's why quitting is a bitch. Well. .. I've done it before. Maybe I'll do it permanently this time.

I can't help but hear king heroin by James Brown as I write this lol.
 
are you going to be on suboxone maintenance, or did you just buy it off the street?

i am empathetic when you say that you feel like you are a better person on dope, but that is soooo far from the truth. usually people like be better when im sober, who would have thought?!?! lol...i bet you have alot to bring to the table, you sound intelligent so maybe go back to school? i know that if you be yourself so many people will be attracted to you. i would try so hard to please other people and be what they wanted me to be like a chameleon and i actually self-sabotaged myself and ended up lonely. you are probably even funnier and outgoing without the dope, you just havent given yourself a chance. you are being too hard on yourself, i know this because i am wayyy to hard on myself. i set such high expectations that i always fall short, beat myself up for doing so, and by this time i feel so shitty i just want to hide in my room and shoot dope. dont set high expectations, better yet dont set ANY expectations. focus on today, just today and only today. when i look into the future and think about being sober for the rest of my life, life seems like a daunting task, an unobtainable task. however, when i think about just getting through the day, focus where my feet are at, i am able to be actually involved in my life. doing dope is all about the next hit, sure you feel good from the rush, but shortly after even while you are still high, you think about where that next hit is going to come from. that is so stressful dude

stopping dope and drugs is nooooo easy task any means, but you have to give yourself a chance man. do some sports, i always used to be self conscious about sucking at sports, but i realized that if i try my best, like literally make an attempt at being involved of the sport, i do much better and have alot of fun. make sure you get a good group of people to hang around aswell. I am not a big fan of AA, but if you find a good meeting with people your around your age, you will meet some really cool people. people you can have fun with without doing drugs.

anything you need at all, please pm me <3 check out this thread as well, it is awesome
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/562628-The-OD-Opioid-Withdrawal-Megathread-and-FAQ

your friend,
-laC
 
Ok thanks I will pm you. You are a good dude and I feel a bit of kinship. :)

For others, what i learned or reconfirmed: 1.5 yrs of bupe n dope and 4 months of dope with 2 grams IV Eeast coast powder per day at the end, 4-8 mg bupe held me 24 hours after my last shot and has done for 3 days dosing 4-8 per day. Mostly held me. Like could make a rational decision about drug use. Or... with more of a view to the long-term...not the next fix. And sleep a bit.

Zofran is amazing. Not well known. Studies on rodents support this... and not just the nausea...every symptom. Get this shit. Super not controlled. Load up! U want 8 mg or a bit more anytime u want to attempt sleep during wd.

Clonidine helped sleep after taking bupe on day one. My body felt that tired joy sober ppl get hitting thr mattress when I finally laid down. Reminded me of "PAWS" dleep after tapering off bupe ... not perfect but so so much better than actual withdrawal I coulda cried.

Antihistamines DO NOT HELP DURING ACUTE WITHDRAWAL THEY AGGRAVATE RLS.

A little weed can help with prrspective once on bupe.

Don't expect normal sleep off a big habit whrn starting bupe.

Oh yeah: and heroin shoild be legal, but it should also be avoided like plague In this prohibition unless you cannot get joy from anything else and have deep deep pockets or a knack for moderation.

Good luck!
 
1-2mgs is the optimal dosage for buprenorphine. i dont care if you were shooting 5 grams of heroin a day, you can get by really well at<2mg of suboxone (this wasnt directed at you lol)

4mg is meh, but 8mgs i wayy to hgh IMO. with 2mgs the bup doesnt occupy all your opiate receptors and so you have open sites for norbuprenorphine(full agonist opiate) to bind to. thus you get a more agonist-feeling rather than an antagonist/agonist feeling. i have been upwards to 16mgs a day, and i found taking 2mgs or less of bup gives me the best feeling.

zofran is good, it is an antihistamine too ;). for me, promethazne and hydroxyzine have really helped me sleep and take care of nausea. i also took clonidine for anxiety and to stop sweating so much lolol.

immodium is also an AWESOME medication for WD. it helps alot; same with kratom if you have sme. BUT the BEST med for opiate WD is lyrica/gabapentin; for some reason these two drugs help tremendously physical and psychological WD symptoms. when i was in WD from bup, lyrica woud literally give some decent relief didnt take away all the symptoms, but it made them tolerable
 
Best of luck to you. Many of us have been there before... the highs of the habit and then the lows of quitting. I am going to reiterate what the previous poster said about suboxone-- you do NOT need much at all. Just to give you an example, I knew someone who was taking massive amounts of oxycodone..... maybe averaged a GRAM a day at times. This person ran out and turned to subs... within a week they were taking 2-4 mgs a day and they weren't even "pushing" it much. Less is MORE with this stuff. Also, I totally agree... both Zofran and Lyrica are GREAT tools to have in your toolbox. Here's a quote from Wiki (short) regarding Zofran and it's possible use to help alleviate WDs "Researchers at the Stanford University School of Medicine have demonstrated that ondansetron might be useful and effective for treating withdrawal symptoms of opioid addictions.[12] Unlike the existing treatments methadone and buprenorphine, it is not itself an opioid.[12] Link to article --> http://med.stanford.edu/news_releases/2009/february/opioid.html . Obviously, you are going to be hitting the Immodium pretty often and dosing it higher than told (don't START at this point, but when I followed the directions from it, it was as though it wasn't doing a thing... i had to take MUCH more than suggested. Finally, Lyrica is a bit of a mystery, as it almost seems to work better than benzos (this is good- you don't need to substitute one addiction for another). Also, the other meds dealt with the obvious physical symptoms of WDs...Lyrica helps with the mental battle, which I think is actually much harder to overcome.

I realized I repeated a lot of what has been said, but i've also found it to be true. Your sleep schedule is going to be a mess at first, which sucks. Melatonin hasn't been mentioned, and does work a bit. At first I felt like crap that I couldn't sleep, but then I turned it around and used the time I was up to play video games, or do things I couldn't otherwise do. Having good support meds is VERY important in determining how difficult quitting will be. And it is weird, as I can't think of a physical explanation for their effectiveness, but Lyrica helps VERY well with regard to mental withdrawal. You could also try an antidepressant... I know there are issues of it's own with them, but it's just an idea..

I'm in the process of cutting down my use. . Soon, I'm making the switch to Subs, so if you want... feel free to PM me, if you want to find someone to talk to late at night ;) I'm already a creature of the night, so this has completely flipped my sleep schedule around. But if you need to talk to someone who is going through the same thing as you, please PM me.

Best of luck. (Having done it before) it's not as bad as people make it out to be. This seems appropriate here...

I quit Klonopin almost cold turkey and without much of a taper before..... THAT was very difficult. You can do this

"The anticipation of death is often worse than death itself." Steven Segal
 
Also, use the time to experiment with different hobbies/activities. Writing is often very therapeutic during this time, and I found this to be true for me. Just remember... if one thing doesn't work for you, DO NOT quit there! Go on and try something else.... or maybe something else. You will find activities that will help fill the void. More importantly, writing may help you do a little self-reflection and help you figure out just who your "heroin self" is, and why "he" can't really be YOU all the time! It doesn't come easy, but keep at it... you'll get there.
 
Yeah totally agree with you guys. On bupe I took 4-8 since I feel like the 2 mg ceiling is with daily use... ie it builds to the ceiling at 2mg per day. But with a 36 hour half life tthat's more like 4-8 for the first day or two...

I do agree with less is more. First time I tried bupe I snorted .25 mg and scratched all night. I always maintained on .5-2 mg subl or snorted and I plan to go to 2 mg asap.

Also idk that Zofran was an antihistamine... all I know is traditional antihistamines ie diphenhydramine hydroxyzine give me and lots of people way worse RLS...

I'd really like to try lyrica or gabapentin but no source.

Also I am planning to stay on bupe no more than 2 months.

I am trying to stay busy but fuck... other than my girl and exgirlfriend ill be fucked if I have any close friends who don't do dope occasionally... and when I have 0 patience for solitary activities that makes feeling occupied and content damn hard. I just have her fucking cat lol.

I had to go on this wild binge while my girlfriend was in china... and my exgf hates heroin so much she thinks I deserve every ounce of pain withdrawal provides. 0 support. And my family... no understanding regarding drug use. I think that really clinches the hardship. When I was 9 years younger and theg found out I used bcuz of illness not theft dui etc. it wasn't poor baby let us help it was time to disown you lol.All use since is secret. :/ suits mr except when quitting and I could use a hug or a bit of encouragement.

Its good to know someone cares. ;)
 
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